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https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2021/12/31/thousands-reject-cdc-advice-board-cruise-ships-for-vacations-amid-rise-in-covid-cases/

BREVARD COUNTY, Fla. – Cruising into the new year, thousands of passengers are rejecting the CDC’s advice not to sail as COVID-19 cases reach record numbers. The CDC issued this guidance despite every passenger 12 and older being required to be vaccinated.

“We don’t like to see even one case, but our experience is a fraction of the comparable statistics of virtually any other comparable location or industry,” Royal Caribbean Chairman Richard Fain wrote in a statement Thursday.

Royal Caribbean said since restarting in the summer, 1,700 of its 1.1 million guests have tested positive with 41 of those passengers going to the hospital and none of those 41 with the new variant.

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2 hours ago, smokeybandit said:

41 out of 1.1 million going to the hospital.

 

I wonder what the pre-covid hospitalization for any cause rate was. Probably not much different than that.

1700 /1.1 Million = 0.15% positive (excellent by any standard), 41/ 1.1 million = 0.004%  cruisers went to hospital. 41/1700 = 2.4% of positive people needing hospitalization

 

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1 hour ago, MarkusB said:

On the Allure at the moment, all protocols in place. We feel safe and the crew goes above and beyond. So we just booked a New England Cruise the Fall 2022. 

Ooooooh, I'm on Voyager Sept 25.  If you're on that one, be sure to find the Roll Call that I created and join in! And if it's not that one, feel free to create your own.

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6 hours ago, twangster said:

https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2021/12/31/thousands-reject-cdc-advice-board-cruise-ships-for-vacations-amid-rise-in-covid-cases/

BREVARD COUNTY, Fla. – Cruising into the new year, thousands of passengers are rejecting the CDC’s advice not to sail as COVID-19 cases reach record numbers. The CDC issued this guidance despite every passenger 12 and older being required to be vaccinated.

“We don’t like to see even one case, but our experience is a fraction of the comparable statistics of virtually any other comparable location or industry,” Royal Caribbean Chairman Richard Fain wrote in a statement Thursday.

Royal Caribbean said since restarting in the summer, 1,700 of its 1.1 million guests have tested positive with 41 of those passengers going to the hospital and none of those 41 with the new variant.

I think it’s better if we all stop clicking and reading these stupid news articles.  Stop giving these news outlets clicks.  Push these stupid news articles ti the bottom of news feeds.  

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I didn't read this as an anti-cruising news report.  The opposite really.  Thousands are ignoring the CDC.  That's a good thing.  

Most Florida TV media is pro-cruising because of the jobs impact.  There is a rag in Miami that has an anti-cruise thing going on but the news media in Orlando tend to be celebratory when something goes the industry way.  When the state effectively won their case against the CDC they were upbeat and positive about it.  

If they wanted to paint the cruise industry in a negative light they would not have quoted Fain proving how well Royal is doing.  

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There's obviously something going on with that CDC that's NOT science when it comes to cruising.  It's just plain out 'negative bias' and anyone can see it when all other modes of travel are compared to cruising.  There should be an accounting when all this over and assessment as to just what has done the most damage [the Virus or...media...or?...CDC?].

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10 hours ago, MaryCS62 said:

1700 /1.1 Million = 0.15% positive (excellent by any standard), 41/ 1.1 million = 0.004%  cruisers went to hospital. 41/1700 = 2.4% of positive people needing hospitalization

 

You can't use any of these figures without realizing that this virus is infecting vastly more people at the same time.  So however acceptable you feel these figures are, when you realize these percentages apply to tens or hundreds of millions of people is when you realize the scope of the problem and the stress this puts on whatever medical resources are available anywhere in the world.  It also does not factor in the number of oeople suffering or dying while ignoring other issues out of fear, issues not taken care of do to lack of resources and the unpredictablity of the short or long term consequences of COVID.  It's so much more complicated then simple percentages.

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5 hours ago, LinRon2 said:

There's obviously something going on with that CDC that's NOT science when it comes to cruising.  It's just plain out 'negative bias' and anyone can see it when all other modes of travel are compared to cruising.  There should be an accounting when all this over and assessment as to just what has done the most damage [the Virus or...media...or?...CDC?].

Or the CDC is worried about a worst case scenario, that probably won't happen, but could.  They have to act proactively, not reactively.  I think that the warning will itself help by lowering capacities, which I think it is fairly clear were increased too fast, and get the cruise lines to start taking their own protocols more seriously, since I don't think they were and were becoming more complacent.  Flame me if you want, but at least consider how such a warning could prevent things escalating to a shutdown or effective shutdown due to lack of ports.

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I personally think the cruise lines should be testing everyone at the port before allowing them to board, like they did in Europe in the summer, rather than just unvaxxed kids. That 2-3 day window which currently exists between testing and boarding is, in my opinion, an open invitation for the virus to go cruising and port testing could help prevent this. Yes, it would be a bit of a logistical nightmare to organise as passenger loads increase but surely it's got to be better than dealing with outbreaks on board and all of the ensuing negative media hysteria and passenger disappointment and anger.

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2 hours ago, FionaMG said:

I personally think the cruise lines should be testing everyone at the port before allowing them to board, like they did in Europe in the summer, rather than just unvaxxed kids. That 2-3 day window which currently exists between testing and boarding is, in my opinion, an open invitation for the virus to go cruising and port testing could help prevent this. Yes, it would be a bit of a logistical nightmare to organise as passenger loads increase but surely it's got to be better than dealing with outbreaks on board and all of the ensuing negative media hysteria and passenger disappointment and anger.

I personally think the world is overreacting to Omicron and pier testing of every individual would not stop Omicron from getting on board.

As much as I loathe the CDC the protocols are working and have been working very nicely on ships.  Not even the CDC recommends pier testing everyone.  

The goal has never been zero cases on ships.  That is an impossible target.

Positivity rates on ships are a fraction of what they are on land right now.  That's because the existing protocols work.  

  

 

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If CDC has a lockdown of the cruiseindusty in mind again I hope they will recommend a boostershot first for all passengers onboard before they lock it down to see if that would get the numbers down. One could argue at this point in time that if your second shot happend more than 4 months ago its a false feeling of protections against omicron... If RC really wan't the numbers to go down they should ask for all adults to get a boostershot before sailing. There will always be breakthough infections no matter how many jabs they give us. Also the crew should get the booster ASAP IMHO. 

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7 minutes ago, Jdf said:

If CDC has a lockdown of the cruiseindusty in mind again I hope they will recommend a boostershot first for all passengers onboard before they lock it down to see if that would get the numbers down. One could argue at this point in time that if your second shot happend more than 4 months ago its a false feeling of protections against omicron... If RC really wan't the numbers to go down they should ask for all adults to get a boostershot before sailing. There will always be breakthough infections no matter how many jabs they give us. Also the crew should get the booster ASAP IMHO. 

Boosters are not currently recommended for children by the FDA or CDC in the United States.  

Requiring boosters would ban children which is exactly what Royal has not done, on purpose.   Royal is well aware they are a family brand and every action they have taken since the restart began includes the ability for children to sail.  

We are weeks away from the estimated peak of Omicron.  By and large it isn't broken, protocols are working.  Cruise ships remain to be much safer than what's occurring in the United States everywhere on land.   

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17 minutes ago, Jdf said:

If CDC has a lockdown of the cruiseindusty in mind again I hope they will recommend a boostershot first for all passengers onboard before they lock it down to see if that would get the numbers down. One could argue at this point in time that if your second shot happend more than 4 months ago its a false feeling of protections against omicron... If RC really wan't the numbers to go down they should ask for all adults to get a boostershot before sailing. There will always be breakthough infections no matter how many jabs they give us. Also the crew should get the booster ASAP IMHO. 


Get the numbers down?  The positivity rate on ships is about 1% ……. Have you not seen the positivity rate on land??????  A 1% positivity rate is beyond incredibly low in comparison.  On land 5% positivity and below is considered to be low spread / low risk.

 

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All Omicron cases on ships are reportedly asymptomatic or mild symptoms.  A sore throat for example.   

No hospitalizations have been reported from a ship case of Omicron.

If anything needs to change, governments around the world need to view a positive Omicron case very differently than other variants.  

There may be more variants in our future.  Communities and societies around the world need to do better understanding when to freak out and when to stay the course.  

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34 minutes ago, ChrisK2793 said:

On land 5% positivity and below is considered to be low spread / low risk.

This is a baseline for overall test positivity rate, not infections over a period of time. Even if 1% of the United States became infected each couple of days (length of a cruise) then we would have an issue on our hands. You have to look at these metrics from a different perspective.  The main concern as others have pointed out are the limited resources for handling even 1% infection rate onboard (med staff, isolation rooms, administrative personnel), plus the logistics of clearing these people to go home once ashore.

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I will go slightly off topic.  We are sailing from canaveral today.  We stayed at the swan at Disney last night.  We used Disney transport to explore resorts.   We only saw 2 groups not wearing masks.  Signs all over said masks mandatory.   A lot has been written about cruising being safer than Disney.  I agree because we don’t know vaccine status of those at Disney but I was pleasantly surprised at the mask compliance.  

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27 minutes ago, Fairlynew said:

we don’t know vaccine status of those at Disney but I was pleasantly surprised at the mask compliance.  

You also have no idea if anyone's positive or not since Disney requires no testing either. To me, that's more alarming than someone's vaccination status these days.

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