SummerRose

After Harmony on Dec. 26th I'm not surprised at all. They can not enforce their protocols onboard and omicron is too contagious for a lackadaisical approach. And they can't take care of or keep up with the sick passengers either.

We got off Harmony yesterday covid positive. We were last to leave and then a van picked us and another positive couple up and took us to our hotel. I don't know what the protocol is if you are local but I would say run to your car as fast as you can and get out of there. Luckily, after you disembark they kind of wash their hands of you so you may be able to escape to your home. The process was a bit of a mess for us so maybe use the chaos to your advantage to go home and quarantine. Unfortunately there was no private jet service...that doesn't seem to exist anymore. I had to book my own hotel (although RCCL booked for others) and I had to find my own transportation home (by air). We were given letter on the way out with info but it was a paper that was clearly drafted to be given to us while in quarantine, not off of the ship. Good luck!

Ok! Good luck in a court of law.

No one is taking ownership of the content, it's just being redistributed in the same manner as the original. So long as the person isn't trying to take credit for the video or picture. Once it's in the public domain, you can't then claim it's private. It's either public or private. Not Public only in the public forums that I decide. Certainly there's legal nuance but that's generally the idea.

The trash on 6. If you want to independently verify that it was floor 6. Sat there for days. I can still smell this picture. IMG_0572 2.HEIC IMG_0573.HEIC

I agree. I don't think RCCL is being malevolent here. There were definitely overwhelmed especially when crew started to drop. That being said, the lack of customer service AFTER the cruise is the problem. They essentially wash their hands of us once we go to the hotel - that's my experience so far. And all I have to look forward to is submitting receipts and hoping I don't have to fight that too. Everyone is antagonistic right from the start and that's disheartening. And it happened FAST. December 19th was smooth (at least from above decks, knowing what I know now, I have no idea what the covid positive people were dealing with) but it all seemed to derail December 26th. A positive patient I befriended eventually post cruise said when they were down there testing it took 2 1/2 hours because of the number of people. He said there was a group of people down there on the floor maskless eating pizza - who eventually tested positive. Everyone mingled in together. People on 9 were co-mingled with quarantined people and then tested positive. It was an epic mess. (And yes, some of what I say is hearsay so you can chose to believe it or not. There are a lot of stories out there and we were all talking to each other. I've seen a lot of videos and pictures too that haven't made it to social media. So I can't make anyone believe me but I'm recounting what I saw. I'm not sure what the upside is for me here to lie about it).

Almost everything you wrote here is wrong. I don't know how to prove it to you because these are my own accounts. RCCL knows we were on 6. I started on 7. They know I was not tested. My point is, they should be reporting positive numbers are a reflection of how many were tested, not how many are on board. They simply aren't testing enough people. And people aren't asking me questions, they're just calling me a liar....

Then you need to read the statement I was responding to and the conversation for the entire comprehension. You said one of the risk was covid. I then listed the other risks. If you want to discuss substance of what I wrote then I'm ok with that. I'm not going to discuss reply structure and grammar as a diversion. Especially when you're isolating responses just to fake an argument. It seems your understand the idea but want to argue about grammar - not helpful. This is the internet, sir not a dissertation.

Well I hope that one word has been clarified for you now.

Covid yes. No protocol from RCCL no. Poor customer service - no. No help whatsoever - no. Trash in hallways - no. Poor communication - no. Lack of testing - no. Like I’ve said, the catching Covid wasn’t the biggest issue. It’s everything else.

I’m saying we because my daughter was a minor and I was down there with her. this is what I’m talking about. You are looking for an argument. Out of all of that you pick up on the word “we” and want to try to invalidate me based on that. Your intentions are clear based on the next post you made.

Here’s what I posted on Reddit. It’s long but thorough. I was on a B2B starting with the December 19th sailing. That cruise was amazing. And honestly if I hadn't taken that cruise, I probably would've never thought twice about what happened on the December 26th sailing. I had something to compare it to. There were covid issues at the end of the first sailing with crew being quarantined and wait staff starting to be shuffled on the boat. Grease and the Aqua show ran fine in week 1. By the second sailing Grease had completely shut down, the Aqua show had a fraction of the performers from the week before...and based on my conversations with crew that I had befriended, I knew that that covid was running through the crew. At that point, I was on alert...I knew there was a massive shift between the two weeks. I never said there were 300 positive passengers. I said "no doubt there are more than 300 positive passengers" and that was in response to someone else who had said they heard there were 300 positive passengers. That was not an official count but my opinion based on my observations from what I had seen and heard and talked about (via online channels) with other people in covid quarantine. I stand by what I said, if someone told me there were 1000 positive cases on the ship I wouldn't be surprised in the least. But that won't happen because people are NOW testing positive after they've disembarked and people like me they don't test so the numbers you see won't be accurate but they'll make everyone "feel good" about the cruise. The amount of coughing and hacking I heard on the ship was very concerning. Mask or not. People do not report their symptoms and get tested. The testing and CDC numbers are only good if passengers voluntarily report their symptoms and test. Crew is tested twice a week which is why their numbers are pretty solid. But if there are 200 positive crew out of 1500...how many do you think of the 4000 passengers? Several FB user sat on their decks and watched and counted in real time more than 100 Crew that were transferred to the Vision of the Seas. This was AFTER 50 people had been transferred a couple days before. That was at least 150 people so when you think about "300" it becomes more realistic. There is video of the transfer out there on Twitter I believe. Could be the FB group for the sailing. I was on a COVID floor (6) and the entire hall was full of covid positive people. 1-4 people in each room. Probably 75-80 rooms I was guessing. There was also confirmation that floor 3 and floor 9 were being used for isolation and quarantine. This was only by day 4 of the cruise. Groups of people were marched down our hallway several times a day by the Hazmat Crew. New residents in Covid Row. We specifically asked for covid count numbers and were denied. When we were getting tested there was a constant stream of people and crew with symptoms coming in and testing. Many were positive. Second day (we tested negative and then positive so were there two days) same thing. Another passenger was there testing (positive) and said he was there a different time and saw at least 6 crew test positive. My issue is with the testing and how/what gets reported. They didn't even bother to test me. Even though I was quarantined with a positive case for 4 days. They said I would be tested if she was positive but they never did so the official numbers that come out won't include me. This happened to almost everyone I've talked to that was quarantined with a close contact. My second issue was with the terrible communication. I'm not even that upset about COVID. I knew and understood the risk. It was the lack of communication and protocols. Our hallways were full of rotting garbage for days...until the last day. No one gave us any indication or help with what to do when we got off. We still don't have clear communication - a letter. And I had to book a hotel myself and find alternate transportation home - and pay for it all. They're "supposed" to reimburse us but I don't feel confident. I'm still holding out hope that they do the right thing but I've had to fight them at every turn for every single thing. They just haven't been very helpful or accommodating. I still haven't seen what they've charged me on my account...I was charged $175 for my DD initial medical "exam" that they require if your test is negative (even though she tested positive the next day). They're supposed to pay the fees. I found out today from another parent that they didn't even contact them and my daughter was in Adventure Ocean with them. So no contact tracing...or ineffective contact tracing. I honestly think they ran out of tests. When we booked they have these guarantees to get you home, people were given private flights home. I was told "no" and that was it. Basically I was on my own after that. RCCL was very good at covering it up for the non positive passengers. They always had positive messages from the CD and it was still peppy. That's their job. But what was happening below decks was not pretty. If you weren't in it, you wouldn't know it was going on. This is hearsay, but someone who was positive told me they heard the doctor say they need to quarantine this whole ship now (either yesterday or the day before that) - which clearly didn't happen. The covid was out of control but they hid it well. So please understand the frustration. We get whisked off to a room without our stuff for hours, covid positive and we have no information or help for 4 days, we are in the middle of the ocean with no contact with family, no way to even try to book what we need to book because the internet is slow. I am shelling out several thousand dollars while sitting in a hotel in Orlando just ....waiting. Nothing from RCCL. I still have cruises booked with RCCL....I haven't cancelled yet but this customer service was a failure. Feel free to ask my any specific questions or clarify anything. I'll be brutally honest.

It’s not the cdc hiding numbers is RCCL hiding numbers from the cdc. My daughter was positive. They told me if she was positive I would be tested. Despite being in quarantine with her for four days I was never tested. I was on the cruise for two weeks so I could’ve given it to her and had no symptoms yet. Never tested me. They just aren’t testing like they should on board. If you don’t test, you can’t report positive cases. If people don’t voluntarily go down with symptoms they can’t report positive cases. Keeps those numbers low. The positive case numbers are flawed. They rely on passengers voluntarily going down on their own. That’s not happening. Also, they’re actively discouraging the test once there. We were told like 3 times before the test “if you’re negative you have to pay for the doctors visit”. Over and over. DD first test was negative and we got hit with a $175 charge. They should be begging people to come and test with symptoms not discouraging it.

Not if it was originally posted on a public social media page.

I asked as I'm quarantined and stuck in Orlando and was flat out told "no". And then left to fend for myself to try and find a way home.

It was me. I was the poster on CC. It wasn't BS. If you have questions you can ask me here. I assume it hasn't hit the media yet because the official numbers haven't been posted by the CDC. The media has reached out to me. But even still, given what I saw and went through I wouldn't believe any of the numbers they put out. I wasn't even tested. Royal hasn't refuted anything on social media yet either so if the few of us who are talking and posting aren't being truthful...where are they to stop it? All they're doing is taking down CC sites. I'm not going to re-hash it all. People are fiercely loyal to Royal and want to argue about everything and refuse to believe that anything could go bad and I don't have the energy to fight and defend myself anymore. And it really was a bad experience. The first week was great though.

Someone said it on a Freedom thread. Not sure where, I can't remember. Facebook maybe?

I just read on the Freedom they're making people pull their masks up in between drinks and bites.

So if it is meant to be delivered 4th quarter of 2024 then they will begin building it around the end of 2022?

Awesome! Thank you for the link. I feel like no one ever talks about the 6th Oasis class ship...I guess Icon and Wonder need their time in the spotlight for now!

Hi. I know at one point there was talk of a 6th Oasis Class ship - is that still on the table? Did the pandemic indefinitely postpone it? Or has it not even been brought up?

There was a lot of discussion on different websites with information from the ship yards. The shipyards have posted GT of 220k up to like 245k. I don't think anyone has any idea at this point what it will actually be. It's all speculation.

This! These people need to stop pretending like they don't understand the intent.

It does not matter what one does or doesn't do. Those are the rules. Don't like them - stay home. There is no option that you break the rules because you feel like it.

Heading over now!