SpeedNoodles Posted April 3, 2021 Report Posted April 3, 2021 @LGiannelli - Welcome to the message boards! In case you're not aware, this is a fan message board, not run, or monitored, by Royal Caribbean. We are a large collection of people who love sailing with Royal Caribbean and who share information and adventures with each other. We're glad you're here!
Ampurp85 Posted April 3, 2021 Report Posted April 3, 2021 I think I would be okay if both a vaccine and mask were required to cruise. As long as most of the regular cruise options are available, I would be okay. If there are no shows, limited entertainment, and the relaxing elements are changed then it makes it less worth it. Especially if you are paying for sky class or higher. They can serve my buffet and limit capacity but not my fun. markinct and sammy79 2
cruisellama Posted April 3, 2021 Report Posted April 3, 2021 We got the vaccine so we could travel. For early cruising, I would put up with the mask. markinct, sk8erguy1978 and MarcBerger 3
Cruising With JT Posted April 3, 2021 Report Posted April 3, 2021 I will absolutely cruise with other vaccinated people (and not go on a cruise with unvaccinated people), but a mask would be a deal breaker. I love cruising and the whole thing about mask wearing, social distancing, and limited onboard experiences doesn't sound like something I want to be a part of. It wouldn't really feel like a vacation given we are constantly wearing this thing on our face and the thought of not being around others on a ship is kinda weird, ruins the cruise experience IMO. Definitely willing to wait as long as possible until those restrictions are gone. markinct 1
L454S Posted April 3, 2021 Report Posted April 3, 2021 Will not go if mask is required. Had covid in Nov., vacinated this past month, now a negative test also required......see the pattern developing here? Ever hear of the donkey/stick/carrot ? markinct and Ogilthorpe 2
Craig 01020 Posted April 3, 2021 Report Posted April 3, 2021 From Royal Caribbean's website: If a certain threshold level of COVID-19 is detected onboard the ship during your voyage, the voyage will end immediately, the ship will return to the port of embarkation, and your subsequent travel, including your return home, may be restricted or delayed. A vaccine mandate is a good thing. It significantly reduces the likelihood of an outbreak. WannaCruise 1
markinct Posted April 3, 2021 Report Posted April 3, 2021 I'd say there's no wrong answer here. For some (like me) the compromises will likely outweigh the fun and joy of cruising for a "normal"-ish cruise with ports of call. But if it's an "out and back" to Coco Key or Labadee, I'd be far more likely go because I don't think I'd have the feeling of "missing out".
markinct Posted April 3, 2021 Report Posted April 3, 2021 11 hours ago, Ampurp85 said: I think I would be okay if both a vaccine and mask were required to cruise. As long as most of the regular cruise options are available, I would be okay. If there are no shows, limited entertainment, and the relaxing elements are changed then it makes it less worth it. Especially if you are paying for sky class or higher. They can serve my buffet and limit capacity but not my fun. You summed it up better than I could. If the things that make cruising such an attractive vacation option are removed or reduced, is it worth it?
PaulRC Posted April 3, 2021 Report Posted April 3, 2021 On 3/31/2021 at 6:08 PM, emmef said: other reason is because no vaccine has 100% efficacy. 95% efficacy does substantially cut down your risk of contracting the virus...but there is always that 5%. Makes no sense. So you think we should wear a mask for the rest of our lives. Nothing is 100%. People are just running scared. atseau, jticarruthers, Cruising With JT and 1 other 4
Cruising With JT Posted April 3, 2021 Report Posted April 3, 2021 1 hour ago, PaulRC said: Makes no sense. So you think we should wear a mask for the rest of our lives. Nothing is 100%. People are just running scared. Yeah I don't think wearing a mask forever makes sense. Viruses are here to stay, masks aren't. Covid will become an annual shot just like the flu shot etc that people get, it just caught humanity totally offguard and humanity failed at controlling it hence the 2+ million deaths worldwide and counting. My thought around vaccines is, yeah I want to get it, but what's the point of being vaccinated if we have to still wear masks? Does the vaccine not work like we expect it to or do we just not know about the long-term impacts it has in actually preventing Covid transmission? Those who choose to not get vaccinated or cannot get vaccinated understand the risks that they are facing if they get Covid. I want to go on a cruise as bad as the next person but I also understand that if I am paying thousands and thousands of dollars, I don't want to be restricted from actually enjoying the vacation. Regardless of what happens on a cruise ship, masks or not, I am definitely wearing one on an airplane. Airplanes are gross IMO, cruise ships are not, IMO. It's too bad the cruise industry has such a bad rep and only those who are passionate about it truly understand how safe and clean it actually is. I have been on 12 cruises, and have gotten sick on 0. I have taken land vacations and I have gotten sick multiple times since the hygiene process on land is no where as strict and enforced/recommended like it is on cruise ships. Get me back at sea, but please get rid of the masks and social distancing if we are all fully vaccinated.
JeffB Posted April 3, 2021 Report Posted April 3, 2021 I'll weigh in here on masks although I'm just not hard over on these like some are and that's fine, not criticizing but, you did hit one nail on the head. The science is not yet certain that vaccines prevent transmission. The evidence is mixed but generally says, yes it does. It also says that there is not sufficient evidence that you cannot get re-infected after receiving the vaccine. Evidence does indicate that if you do get re infected, the viral load you will have is low making transmission much less likely. This is speculative at this point. Masks just add one more layer of mitigation measures that are proven to be effective and, yes, masks tend to mitigate all the uncertainty. There is no question, none, despite what you can find on social media or from quackery, that properly designed and fitted masks prevent transmission of viruses that transmit via airborne mode including SARS-2 - the right one's of course. That's another subject. In my onw case, I've gotten so used to putting them on when I enter a venue that requires them, I don't mind anymore. It's become habit. I have to admit, I have a set of masks in my man-bag that aren't exactly the best but they are comfortable and easy to get off and on. Virtue signaling? Probably. OTH, I am scrupulous about wearing a properly fitting surgical mask in airports and on airplanes and that will continue even as the pandemic fades. Cruising With JT and teddy 2
Marlena Posted April 4, 2021 Report Posted April 4, 2021 Very pro vaccinated cruises! As for masks, can survive walking around / to dinner. But I will not wear one in the pool deck watching my daughter swim etc. Just doesn't seem like something I would enjoy and especially not something I want to pay $$$$ to do. cruisellama and MarcBerger 2
Ray Posted April 4, 2021 Report Posted April 4, 2021 5 hours ago, Marlena said: Very pro vaccinated cruises! As for masks, can survive walking around / to dinner. But I will not wear one in the pool deck watching my daughter swim etc. Just doesn't seem like something I would enjoy and especially not something I want to pay $$$$ to do. In new reports the CDC mention that after 1st dose it reduces the risk by 80% and that after 2nd dose the risk involved is reduced by 90% ..so in other words there is still a 10% risk of transmitting virus to someone else. The risk involved to children is apparently a lot less however children are not immune for virus and as reported in Feb this year the figure for child mortality in US due to covid is round about 250... So as a parent or grandparent whats more important your childs saftey or your comfort? Theres no debate to this and anyone who tries to justify putting their or anyone else's children at risk doesnt .......will stop here as i would probably be banned for what i really want to say monctonguy and PaulRC 1 1
smokeybandit Posted April 4, 2021 Report Posted April 4, 2021 6 hours ago, Ray said: The risk involved to children is apparently a lot less however children are not immune for virus and as reported in Feb this year the figure for child mortality in US due to covid is round about 250... There have been 246 deaths among those aged 0-17 in the last 13 months, with many of those kids having some underlying condition. The flu kills more than that in a single 6 month flu season. MarcBerger and Snowchaser 2
Matt Posted April 4, 2021 Report Posted April 4, 2021 Please keep the discussion to cruises, not the nature of Covid. SandyW, MarcBerger, Hince57 and 1 other 3 1
MarcBerger Posted April 4, 2021 Report Posted April 4, 2021 Me too! Just turned 41 on March 1st, got vaccinated this past week and look forward to booking ODYSSEY OF THE SEAS soon for Nov or Dec out of Port Everglades! On 4/2/2021 at 9:35 PM, cruisellama said: We got the vaccine so we could travel. For early cruising, I would put up with the mask. SandyW and cruisellama 1 1
rcdave Posted April 4, 2021 Report Posted April 4, 2021 My wife & I have had both shots - we have no problem wearing a mask. cruisellama and SandyW 1 1
emmef Posted April 6, 2021 Report Posted April 6, 2021 On 4/3/2021 at 1:58 PM, PaulRC said: Makes no sense. So you think we should wear a mask for the rest of our lives. Nothing is 100%. People are just running scared. I'm not saying that at all. I am just saying that is one of the reasons why companies and some people believe we should still be wearing masks. I would happily go without a mask, as I have had covid and have antibodies, however some are uncomfortable with risk (I am not one of them).
SuzanneM Posted April 6, 2021 Report Posted April 6, 2021 I don't see it as running scared; that's somewhat inflammatory phrasing. It makes sense to require masks as a precaution until we have more data and confirmed studies. Better to err on the side of caution with fewer sick as a result rather than erring on the side of recklessness with more sick. They are working on the data and there are already some really promising preliminary conclusions. I'm optimistic it won't always be needed but until then, I appreciate Royal Caribbean's strict mask policies because it makes it clear they care about the health of guests and employees above all. I already loved them and the way they've handled things during the pandemic makes me even more confident in them long-term. I'm scheduled on a cruise for 22 October and I wouldn't have booked it without the strict vaccination and mask requirements.
parkyy2k Posted April 6, 2021 Report Posted April 6, 2021 I don't particularly like wearing a mask but if it meant I could cruise then I would put up with it, just need my vaccine now
EmersonNZ Posted April 6, 2021 Report Posted April 6, 2021 No issue with a vaccine requirement (And in fact would prefer it). As for the mask I would would probably wait until it isn't required. (We haven't had to wear them hear in New Zealand as we've been covid free for nearly a year now. It'd feel strange traveling somewhere to be on a boat where I had to wear one when i can stay here and not...). JLMoran, whitsmom, Loops and 1 other 2 2
Reigert2008 Posted April 6, 2021 Report Posted April 6, 2021 President Biden is moving the deadline or all adults to be vaccine eligible to April 19th. A lot of states are already ahead of this, but this is still pretty cool. https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/06/politics/coronavirus-vaccine-deadline-biden/index.html Cruising With JT 1
Barna Posted April 11, 2021 Report Posted April 11, 2021 My wife and I won't be getting the vaccine for a whole list of reasons. We won't be wearing masks either - this is a vacation. Other than that we are Diamond, almost Diamond Plus and ready to get back to cruising. Being tested before boarding is fine. We are counting on the hysteria being over soon and RC drops any crazy requirements. Ogilthorpe 1
CruisinForABruisin Posted April 11, 2021 Report Posted April 11, 2021 12 hours ago, Barna said: My wife and I won't be getting the vaccine for a whole list of reasons. We won't be wearing masks either - this is a vacation. Other than that we are Diamond, almost Diamond Plus and ready to get back to cruising. Being tested before boarding is fine. We are counting on the hysteria being over soon and RC drops any crazy requirements. Fully vaxxed person here, could you let me know what these side effects are? Thanksss
jticarruthers Posted April 11, 2021 Report Posted April 11, 2021 12 hours ago, Barna said: My wife and I won't be getting the vaccine for a whole list of reasons. We won't be wearing masks either - this is a vacation. Other than that we are Diamond, almost Diamond Plus and ready to get back to cruising. Being tested before boarding is fine. We are counting on the hysteria being over soon and RC drops any crazy requirements. I have no problem with that. I chose to get vaccinated primarily just to move the process along so we can get back to normal, but it sounds like you are clear in understanding and accepting the risks, in which case i would have no issues sitting next to you on a cruise.
Flopper Posted April 11, 2021 Author Report Posted April 11, 2021 Hooding we’ll only have to mask when being socially distant isn’t possible I.e. Elevators, cabin hallways, etc
Ray Posted April 11, 2021 Report Posted April 11, 2021 12 hours ago, Barna said: RC drops any crazy requirements. Yeah like ignoring Regulations laid down by Governing Bodies across the world that is enabling them to start cruising again ctigerk 1
smokeybandit Posted April 11, 2021 Report Posted April 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Flopper said: Hooding we’ll only have to mask when being socially distant isn’t possible I.e. Elevators, cabin hallways, etc I'd like to see it only in places with close and continuing contact like the auditorium or various events like trivia that get pretty packed.
Flopper Posted April 11, 2021 Author Report Posted April 11, 2021 1 hour ago, smokeybandit said: I'd like to see it only in places with close and continuing contact like the auditorium or various events like trivia that get pretty packed. Agreed, with the ship already at limited capacity it shouldn’t be hard. I think they need to think about consistency as far as the shows go and events go, I think it will almost be the same rules as for dining, if your butt is in a seat you won’t mask.
Smith0154 Posted April 12, 2021 Report Posted April 12, 2021 I refuse to get vaccinated, and for one reason only. There is zero science as to the long term effects of these vaccines and there will be no data for years to come. I hope and pray my thoughts are incorrect, but this vaccine was run through the process way too quick. Most vaccines have years of testing and approvals before they are out on the human market. This is not the case for this vaccine because of the hysteria. Also, I just refuse to wear a mask on vacation, especially while outdoors. I am on vacation and want to relax, can't relax with a mask on. Further, I would never under current conditions get off the ship due to the restrictions currently in place for excursions. I have been cruising for years and know what I want to do on the various islands so I don't need a guided tour. I love Royal Caribbean and miss cruising very, very much, (Diamond Plus C&A member), but cannot cruise under these conditions. Ogilthorpe and Barna 2
smokeybandit Posted April 27, 2021 Report Posted April 27, 2021 More mixed messaging from the CDC, but good news for cruise protocols jticarruthers and JLMoran 2
twangster Posted April 27, 2021 Report Posted April 27, 2021 51 minutes ago, smokeybandit said: More mixed messaging from the CDC, but good news for cruise protocols But don't do any of that on a cruise ship. Makes perfect sense. jticarruthers and cruisellama 2
LovetoCruise87 Posted April 27, 2021 Report Posted April 27, 2021 I wonder if the CDC knows that the upper decks of a cruise ship are outdoors. Hmmm... lol mjb1127 and cruisellama 1 1
jticarruthers Posted April 27, 2021 Report Posted April 27, 2021 12 minutes ago, LovetoCruise87 said: I wonder if the CDC knows that the upper decks of a cruise ship are outdoors. Hmmm... lol Pretty sure the CDC isn't even clear that cruise ships are big enough to fit more than one person while maintaining social distancing ... cruisellama 1
jticarruthers Posted April 27, 2021 Report Posted April 27, 2021 Really hoping the CDC loosening up the outside rules for the vaccinated helps with the "masks on the pool deck" conversation. wordell1 and mjb1127 2
twangster Posted April 27, 2021 Report Posted April 27, 2021 This latest CDC guidance that it's safe to walk around outside and take a bike ride without wearing a mask gives me a lot of confidence that I made the right decisions to do both actions many months ago and I'm glad I live in a free country where I was able to make those decisions for myself, by myself. It may have taken the CDC a little long to reach the same conclusion I did but I'm confident they will eventually come to the same conclusion I have regarding cruise ships and how safe they are given the current situation. Just wish I lived in a free country where I could make that decision for myself, by myself. Vancity Cruiser, cruisellama, JLMoran and 5 others 8
wordell1 Posted April 27, 2021 Report Posted April 27, 2021 5 hours ago, jticarruthers said: Really hoping the CDC loosening up the outside rules for the vaccinated helps with the "masks on the pool deck" conversation. This is the biggest single issue for me. I have no problem with wearing a mask in indoor areas but will be unhappy if we are wearing masks outside. sammy79 1
JLMoran Posted April 27, 2021 Report Posted April 27, 2021 10 minutes ago, wordell1 said: This is the biggest single issue for me. I have no problem with wearing a mask in indoor areas but will be unhappy if we are wearing masks outside. With the ships sailing at 50% capacity, I’d be shocked if they enforced mask wearing on the pool deck now, or any other outdoor space. They’ve shown enough chutzpah now with the CDC that I’m sure they’re going to take that announcement and run with it. There’s more than enough space for proper distancing in those areas with such lowered capacity. Only reason I could think of for why they wouldn’t is if the governments of the embarkation / destination ports (Nassau, Bermuda, etc) mandated it as a condition of being allowed to dock there and have passengers come in. CruiseRoyalDad and wordell1 2
wordell1 Posted April 28, 2021 Report Posted April 28, 2021 23 minutes ago, twangster said: This latest CDC guidance that it's safe to walk around outside and take a bike ride without wearing a mask gives me a lot of confidence that I made the right decisions to do both actions many months ago and I'm glad I live in a free country where I was able to make those decisions for myself, by myself. It may have taken the CDC a little long to reach the same conclusion I did but I'm confident they will eventually come to the same conclusion I have regarding cruise ships and how safe they are given the current situation. Just wish I lived in a free country where I could make that decision for myself, by myself. The CDC statement was really weak considering the evidence on the vaccine effectiveness, and on Covid transmission outdoors. Disappointed, but not surprised - they will be the last ones keeping this thing going when everyone else sees that it is over. Their 15 minutes of fame has run for over a year.
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