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Royal No Longer Allowing Unvaccinated Guests 12 and up for cruises that go to St. Thomas?


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We are sailing on Allure of the Seas on 8/8 and just received word that all guests 12 and up must be fully vaccinated. This is due to the USVI not allowing any ships to dock with unvaccinated 12 years old and up.
 

This is a major change if the email is correct.

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11 minutes ago, Matt said:

How do you think this last minute change will impact the mask requirements and venue blocks that were proposed for the ship? Do you think that it will now operate like Royal cruises sailing from outside of Florida? 

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I'm no lawyer but I don't see how this is around Florida Law.  Florida Law states that cruise lines can't ask for vaccine status.  St. Thomas states you can't come here if anyone over 12 is not vaccinated.

While I see Royal Caribbean trying to use this as a way around Florida Law, some Floridian (or their governor) is going to end up suing Royal Caribbean over this and I don't think this shields them at all. Legally it sounds more like if you sail from Florida, to follow both laws you would not be able to include the US Virgin Islands as a destination for the time being.

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Hopefully this wasn't addressed anywhere else (if it was I apologize) but am I reading correctly that all USVI ports now require all passengers aboard a cruise to be vaccinated or the ship cannot dock? Also, from what I understand RC is not canceling those ports just making a vaccine mandatory for anyone boarding whos itinerary includes a stop in USVI. Is that correct?  

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1 hour ago, Aulayan said:

I'm no lawyer but I don't see how this is around Florida Law.  Florida Law states that cruise lines can't ask for vaccine status.  St. Thomas states you can't come here if anyone over 12 is not vaccinated.

While I see Royal Caribbean trying to use this as a way around Florida Law, some Floridian (or their governor) is going to end up suing Royal Caribbean over this and I don't think this shields them at all. Legally it sounds more like if you sail from Florida, to follow both laws you would not be able to include the US Virgin Islands as a destination for the time being.

If that is true, then how can planes fly out of Florida to countries that require vaccination?

 

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1 hour ago, Aulayan said:

I'm no lawyer but I don't see how this is around Florida Law.  Florida Law states that cruise lines can't ask for vaccine status.  St. Thomas states you can't come here if anyone over 12 is not vaccinated.

While I see Royal Caribbean trying to use this as a way around Florida Law, some Floridian (or their governor) is going to end up suing Royal Caribbean over this and I don't think this shields them at all. Legally it sounds more like if you sail from Florida, to follow both laws you would not be able to include the US Virgin Islands as a destination for the time being.

How can you sue Royal for a USVI requirement?

 

Spoiler Alert:  You can not

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If you are flying to a country that requires vaccination then you must present documentation that you are during check-in, no asking, a requirement or you don't go. AA uses VeriFly where you upload proof of vaccination to fast track through TSA. If you do not use it then you must show proof or you don't go to that country.

Royal has already determined that they will continue to visit USVI and have informed their customers that if they are not vaccinated then they will be offered a different itinerary or refund. They decided to not visit St Kitts due to the restriction that only 700 passengers may visit from any ship and they did not want to play gatekeeper and tell some passengers they cannot get off.

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This is about to get interesting. Ultimate game of Chess. 
 

I’ve got St Thomas on my October Symphony. Wouldn’t break my heart if it gets changed. Been there a dozen times. 
 

Given the current situation, I don’t blame them one bit. They can always ask for US Gov’t financial assistance. Kind of sad that the US has kazillion doses bought of AZ. How about we send them to our territories? 

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13 minutes ago, WAAAYTOOO said:

Just make it a sea day.  Not a big deal at all.

I don't know why they couldn't just flag it so unvaccinated couldn't get off the ship in St. Thomas.  But I guess they're going to flat out refuse the ship if it's not all eligible aged folks vaccinated so that isn't even an option.

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So what are the options (for Royal) if this requirement is sustained ?

1.  They give in and have to refund the money for anyone who is considered unvaccinated.  This is money coming directly out of Royal’s pocket.  A few pissed off customers.

2.  Royal rearranges the schedule and finds a port that will accept the ship.  It’s a huge hassle for the schedulers but no refunds.  Probably highly unlikely for close-in sailings.  A few pissed off customers (maybe).

3.  They say “F” St Thomas and schedule a sea day.  No refunds b/c schedule changes do not qualify for a refund.  A few pissed off customers.

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11 minutes ago, WAAAYTOOO said:

So what are the options (for Royal) if this requirement is sustained ?

1.  They give in and have to refund the money for anyone who is considered unvaccinated.  This is money coming directly out of Royal’s pocket.  A few pissed off customers.

2.  Royal rearranges the schedule and finds a port that will accept the ship.  It’s a huge hassle for the schedulers but no refunds.  Probably highly unlikely for close-in sailings.  A few pissed off customers (maybe).

3.  They say “F” St Thomas and schedule a sea day.  No refunds b/c schedule changes do not qualify for a refund.  A few pissed off customers.

As long as it stops at one port outside US, option 3 could easily happen 

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