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We are a double medical field household with an almost 6 year old girl. We have been doubly vaccinated for months. Im not gonna lie, reading the protocols does not make me happy. Almost sounds like we may not be allowed in certain restaurants because we have our daughter with us. And im yet to understand why the mask protocol is different in Florida ships vs Bahamas... ugh. Fingers crossed so much happens for the better before dec...

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23 minutes ago, Marlena said:

We are a double medical field household with an almost 6 year old girl. We have been doubly vaccinated for months. Im not gonna lie, reading the protocols does not make me happy. Almost sounds like we may not be allowed in certain restaurants because we have our daughter with us. And im yet to understand why the mask protocol is different in Florida ships vs Bahamas... ugh. Fingers crossed so much happens for the better before dec...


‘I didn’t think about what happens if vaccinated adults have children with them that aren’t (and won’t ever be) vaccinated.  We have a 9 year old.

 

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26 minutes ago, Marlena said:

We are a double medical field household with an almost 6 year old girl. We have been doubly vaccinated for months. Im not gonna lie, reading the protocols does not make me happy. Almost sounds like we may not be allowed in certain restaurants because we have our daughter with us. And im yet to understand why the mask protocol is different in Florida ships vs Bahamas... ugh. Fingers crossed so much happens for the better before dec...

 

10 minutes ago, ChrisK2793 said:


‘I didn’t think about what happens if vaccinated adults have children with them that aren’t (and won’t ever be) vaccinated.  We have a 9 year old.

 

It didn't look like dining venues would be closed to unvaccinated individuals but I could be being optimistic in my interpretation.   The real question would be if children unable to be vaccinated will be permitted in the "vaccinated only" seating with fully vaccinated parents or will the party need to sit in the "unvaccinated section"?

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28 minutes ago, smokeybandit said:

I can't imagine they would expect vaccinated adults with vaccine-ineligible children to be forced to eat in the non-vaxxed dining room.

Curious on your take here.  If the whole reason is for health reasons then why wouldn't they?  If this is there way of forcing everyone who is eligible to get vaccinated or stay home, then I agree, but why is my 12 year old unvaccinated child any more of a risk than someone else's ineligible 11 year old unvaccinated child?  I am not saying they should or shouldn't, but if you create a vaccinated only, well....

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The whole reason is to try to discourage unvaccinated adults from cruising.  

 

Also I found this interesting

"In the coming days, we are expecting updated guidance from the CDC on mask policies for vaccinated guests and will update you at that time."

 

To me that says by the time these cruises start, vaccinated people won't have to wear masks anywhere on the ship.

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1 hour ago, smokeybandit said:

I can't imagine they would expect vaccinated adults with vaccine-ineligible children to be forced to eat in the non-vaxxed dining room.

Seriously hoping so, because then you are also creating adults only dining vs kid friendly dining. I feel if they do that there may be extreme push back if they take it away as I'm sure some will want more adult only spaces

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1 hour ago, smokeybandit said:

I can't imagine they would expect vaccinated adults with vaccine-ineligible children to be forced to eat in the non-vaxxed dining room.

That’s exactly what I’d expect. Ineligible children are, by definition, unvaccinated. They shouldn’t be allowed to eat in the fully vaccinated area. Otherwise it isn’t a vaccinated area and the distinction set out in the guidelines makes no sense. 

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12 hours ago, ConstantCruiser said:

This from Michael Bayley's FB post on the new protocols:

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It sounds like there will be exceptions.  That should help families with younger kids too.  

Time will tell.  


“They‘’ll accommodate you” …… he’s saying without saying it, that to hang out with your friends, you’ll be “accommodated” by them having to sit in the unvaccinated dining sections with you and they will have to go to the unvaccinated venues with you.  If he meant anything other than that, he would have given a more clear answer than his non-answer of “we’ll accommodate you”.  

 

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4 hours ago, smokeybandit said:

I can't imagine they would expect vaccinated adults with vaccine-ineligible children to be forced to eat in the non-vaxxed dining room.


If they do force families with kids to be restricted because of the kids ….. I can’t see why any family with children would want to waste their money going on the cruise if the adults are vaccinated, but then are basically locked out of all vaccinated areas because of their children.  Especially since it sounds like all the good things to do will only be for the vaccinated.

 

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My husband and I are vaccinated, but our ten year old son is not. I don’t feel like we should be put more at risk by being seated with those who have chosen to be unvaccinated. If our son is only socializIng with his vaccinated parents, he is not a risk to others. There is a difference between unvaccinated by choice and unvaccinated due to age. I have chosen to be vaccinated; I would rather not be forced to be with those who have chosen to put others at risk. 

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So the unvaccinated have to get a PCR test a minimum 3 days before the cruise, and then another PCR test at the terminal too, and the an antigen test before disembarking? I think Royal is trying to make unvaccinated people not go on the cruise ?  that and all the masks requirement + not being able to go to certain events etc.

Meanwhile...vaccinated guests --> Vaccinated guests do not have any testing requirements.

Thumbs up from me (except wearing masks indoors if you're vaccinated part). I still think anyone who is eligible should be vaccinated before boarding a ship, but that's just my opinion. You want a safe restart to cruising. This is the way to do it. 

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45 minutes ago, Cruising With JT said:

So the unvaccinated have to get a PCR test a minimum 3 days before the cruise, and then another PCR test at the terminal too, and the an antigen test before disembarking? I think Royal is trying to make unvaccinated people not go on the cruise ?  that and all the masks requirement + not being able to go to certain events etc.

Meanwhile...vaccinated guests --> Vaccinated guests do not have any testing requirements.

Thumbs up from me (except wearing masks indoors if you're vaccinated part). I still think anyone who is eligible should be vaccinated before boarding a ship, but that's just my opinion. You want a safe restart to cruising. This is the way to do it. 

I believe Royal is attempting to mitigate their legal risks by "encouraging" vaccine eligible guests to get their shots prior to sailing.  Being a profit-seeking business in an industry with a target on their backs if a COVID case outbreak were to occur on any sailings in the near term, I can't blame them for making things more challenging for unvaxxed guests. They've suffered through almost 18 months of financial hell at this point and really have to do everything in their power to keep their ships sailing safely just to survive.

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Is amazing to me to see the same people so anxious to get cruising back up and running now wanting to deny boarding to families with children. Not to mention the current vaccine concern for those 12-16. As an aside, the ever incompetent CDC pushed back “emergency hearing” on this issue until next week. CDC is a joke. They paused the J&J vaccine for less than this. 
 

from a business perspective, Royal doesn’t want to turn away families and there is no guarantee that they ever could have met the 95% vaccinated passengers in the Caribbean this summer.
 

There won’t be 100% vaccinated sailings this summer in Caribbean. The adventure didn’t have 95% vaccinated rate among passengers. 
 

what would you have Royal do? Ban all children this summer? Refund more people? There is zero way from stopping Covid on cruise ships. ZERO. and if you are vaccinated believe in science! Trust the vaccine. It will be ok if you sit with unvaccinated people! I would sit with them and I am vaccinated! I just flew on a plane with 200 of my closest friends for a 3 hour flight. Stop the fear. 
 

 

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Not trying to start a vax / anti-vax debate.... but in all my reading I still have not found a coherent response to the question: If you are vaccinated, why do you feel 'at risk' around un-vaccinated? 

I completely understand the argument that an un-vaxxed person can spread it to another un-vaxxed person, etc... but given the guidance RCL just issued about segregating the groups for certain events and dining, that just seems a little bit overboard. (look... I made a pun!) ? 

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