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Unless something drastically changes, here is the outlook. The people that tested positive were isolated and treated. Not left to rot, like in 2020. People with close contact got isolated

They announced on the ship that the patients were moved to isolation rooms. According to my room steward, all of the people who were in contact have been tested negative and released. There'

So 2 out of 600 people, thats not bad in the current climate. a 0.00333 ratio. Although sadly that isnt the spin the news agencies are putting on it

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1 hour ago, danv3 said:

Kind of a PR disaster for X and RCG. Media is going to go nuts. 
 

Biggest issue from my perspective is too much testing. There’s no need to test vaccinated people with no symptoms. Just setting yourself up for failure as a cruise line. 

They have to test for the return to the U.S. That’s when this was discovered.

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1 hour ago, danv3 said:

Biggest issue from my perspective is too much testing. There’s no need to test vaccinated people with no symptoms. Just setting yourself up for failure as a cruise line. 

Ths is the most riduculous statement ever made. People can be asymptomatic and spread the virus. COVID-19 infections are common in people of all ages, including children who can be asymptomatic  and spread it.  The cruise line protocols are working perfectly to detect it and isolate them in order to stop the spread and not bring cruising to another halt. 

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17 minutes ago, Phoenix said:

Ths is the most riduculous statement ever made. People can be asymptomatic and spread the virus. COVID-19 infections are common in people of all ages, including children who can be asymptomatic  and spread it.  The cruise line protocols are working perfectly to detect it and isolate them in order to stop the spread and not bring cruising to another halt. 

Exactly, we’ll likely see more testing as a result of this. Can’t be a coincidence that this happened today along with the decision to test everyone before boarding Adventure.

Testing before someone travels doesn’t account for the airport, plane, and any pre-cruise stays. Rapid tests aren’t perfect either but it’s the best they can do at check-in.

Either way, the protocols are working even if the media coverage will focus on the negative. Go test every guest at Disney today and see how many positive tests you get!

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26 minutes ago, Phoenix said:

Ths is the most riduculous statement ever made. People can be asymptomatic and spread the virus. COVID-19 infections are common in people of all ages, including children who can be asymptomatic  and spread it.  The cruise line protocols are working perfectly to detect it and isolate them in order to stop the spread and not bring cruising to another halt. 

Just because something can happen doesn't mean it's happening often.

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1 hour ago, danv3 said:

Kind of a PR disaster for X and RCG. Media is going to go nuts. 
 

Biggest issue from my perspective is too much testing. There’s no need to test vaccinated people with no symptoms. Just setting yourself up for failure as a cruise line. 

There's no need to test anyone with no symptoms who previously had a negative test to board the ship. These requirements set us up for failure in a world where COVID is inevitable. Consider the number of people that tested positive at the home port in the same time... If it's the US, it would have been at least as many per thousand if not double. 

I mention that because the aim should always have been for cruise ships not to act as accelerators. Quarantining symptomatic cases and beefing up medical facilities is all that should be required (in addition to agreements with the home port that the ship can't be turned into a "plague ship" and deny disembarkation because of some overblown media response). Everything else is just arbitrary theater, and sets the failure tripwire too low.

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I doubt any of us used the term 'asymptomatic' before 2020. The retro term for this was 'healthy.' 😄

Overall, the background testing rate on a cruise ship shouldn't be any higher than a similar environment on land, say, Las Vegas. There may be discussion on what this proper level is, but overall, if we are testing more in one similar environment than another, the amount of cases found will be higher, even if the same percentage of the overall populations are positive (and that's not even taking into consideration false positives). 

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54 minutes ago, Phoenix said:

Ths is the most riduculous statement ever made. People can be asymptomatic and spread the virus. COVID-19 infections are common in people of all ages, including children who can be asymptomatic  and spread it.  The cruise line protocols are working perfectly to detect it and isolate them in order to stop the spread and not bring cruising to another halt. 

The likelihood of a vaccinated asymptomatic person infecting another vaccinated person is so low that it’s really not worth thinking about.

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13 minutes ago, nate91 said:

Overall, the background testing rate on a cruise ship shouldn't be any higher than a similar environment on land, say, Las Vegas. 

Exactly! Population incidence rates in port countries are the only thing that matter, and I'd argue with the advent of vaccines only hospitalizations and deaths. The CDC has begun to demonstrate as much by indicating they'll only track serious cases as breakthroughs. 

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7 minutes ago, danv3 said:

The likelihood of a vaccinated asymptomatic person infecting another vaccinated person is so low that it’s really not worth thinking about.

To add to that, The likelihood of a vaccinated asymptomatic child infecting another vaccinated person is so low that it’s really not worth thinking about thinking about thinking about it. 😄

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7 minutes ago, LizzyBee23 said:

Exactly! Population incidence rates in port countries are the only thing that matter, and I'd argue with the advent of vaccines only hospitalizations and deaths. The CDC has begun to demonstrate as much but indicating they'll only track serious cases as breakthroughs. 

The CDC has demonstrated...I don't know what exactly, confusion, ineptitude...by measuring cases in one way for COVID and in another way entirely for those vaccinated. This creates a cognitive dissonance that is clearly showing what the CDC would like the results to be. I wonder what would happen if we measured in reverse and tested vaccinated like the unvaxxed and vice versa.

Bringing it around to cruises, I'm sure the cruise lines would love to test based on the lower PCR thresholds for the vaccinated, and do the new CDC rule of not counting a case unless it leads to a hospitalization. That would surely help their news exposure.

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I think what it comes down to is we need to move away from this idea of testing as means of ascertaining someone's status now that the contours of the risk are largely known and we have vaccines who are in the greatest danger. If you aren't symptomatic, then carry on. 

Im really disheartened by what happened with MSC in Malta... To have the island say it is close to achieving herd immunity and then simultaneously deny entry to an entire ship of recently tested passengers because of the presence of two positives among them is absurd (and anti-science). If that is considered a rational response, then we really are already sunk.

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My hope is one of two scenarios:

1. False positive

2. Positive cases, but protocols kick in and work and prevent spread to other guests. 

If it's #2, then we have a great example of why cruises are safer than being on land.  On land, there's no testing or contact tracing, or really any other protocol that would stem the spread.

My fingers are crossed that it's only one of these two scenarios.

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People have to be tested to fly back to the US.  The testing had nothing to do with the cruise itself.  So you can say that it's unnecessary until you're blue in the face, but it seems to me that it's a service that Celebrity is providing to those who want to, actually, you know .... go home. 

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1 hour ago, smokeybandit said:

Could also be false positives, but protocols kicked in, which is still a good thing (even if it majorly sucks for those passengers)

I would hope for false positive but since they are from the same cabin reduce the chance for that.

Now it's all about the protocol and more important hopefully it was not spreading to other people.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/travel/2021/06/10/cruise-covid-celebrity-vaccine/

Onboard testing is working, and we are getting a glimpse into what will happen if passengers test positive will cruise is underway.  The cruise is continuing with the passengers in isolation and will disembark as scheduled.  Hopefully with the onboard contact tracing they will be able to keep it under control.

Fingers crossed for all the test cruises that will be underway soon.

 

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In 2009-2010, there was 60 million reported cases of H1N1 in the US. About 27k deaths attributed to H1N1.

Imagine, if we tested for H1N1 in 2009-2010 like we do for Covid today. How many cases and deaths would have been attributed to H1N1?

There is no way to stop Covid from being on cruise ships, vaccinated passengers or not. Just like everywhere else. Zero Covid should not be the goal. 

There is still debate about asymptomatic spread. If someone had the vaccine and a breakthrough case happens with no symptoms, does that person even have enough viral load to spread it to others? 

Covid is on its way to being endemic and our society needs to come to terms with that. Stop testing vaccinated people with no symptoms. 

 

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