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6 hours ago, Joe01 said:

I admit to really disliking masks as it is and actually feel that they are of negligible benefit at best in day to day life, especially if people are rummaging through their pockets to get one for going into a shop or onto a train etc. 

I am fortunate not to live in a country where it is required to wear face coverings outside. I could understand wearing one indoors such as at the buffet or in the promenade but all outdoor areas is taking the michael in my opinion especially if physical distancing is involved. I don't understand why and it would be a detriment to my cruise enjoyment if I'm being honest. We've had a lot of outdoor gatherings in the UK such as protests and gatherings on beaches and they've made basically no difference to case numbers so it just seems dictatorial to make people wear them outside.

Maybe if they did wear masks it would have made a difference. I thought the target was to reduce numbers not keep them the same.

I will wear a mask if that is what is required. I am lucky to live in a country that does not need masks now (not one that doesnt require you to wear one)

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Trust me I am active as well, I am a first responder as well as I work part time in the local ER, in essence I am at work well over 300 hours per month. That means that I wear a mask FAR more than the

I have zero issues wearing a mask in all public areas.  Hubby works in healthcare.  He wears a mask daily.  Kids wear a mask at school.  If wearing a mask in public areas means that we can get sailing

Yes. Like many topics, people who disagree tend to be more vocal online than those that agree, which is why I think you see some strong opinions on the matter.

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3 hours ago, bretts173 said:

Maybe if they did wear masks it would have made a difference. I thought the target was to reduce numbers not keep them the same.

I don't know if you understand my post - people not wearing masks outside has had no difference on case rates. In fact, cases continued to go down after many of these outdoor protests. And people do wear masks in shops/trains because it's enforced. Again, made no difference and actually I think have made people less hygienic.

The things that have reduced case numbers are measures in hospitals & care homes plus not allowing visits to other homes. 

Mandating masks in places like Spain have done no good. They're useless and I think they're being promoted for political reasons only.

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I have to wear a mask at work when not sitting at my desk and I have become accustomed to wearing one; but, I don’t think I would be interested on going on a cruise if it were required. I expect my vacation to be a relaxing period of time and wearing a face covering while sitting at the pool just seems the opposite of relaxation.
 

It will be funny when face tans everywhere but the nose down to your lips becomes the new fad.  

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5 hours ago, KWong said:

If I'm being honest I don't like wearing masks. 
 

However it's something I've gotten used to doing. Even when I'm at the gym I wear one unless I'm doing cardio on the elliptical. 
 

So if I need to wear one whilst on vacation, so be it. 

I agree. Except for the whole “gym” thing.  😂

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Yeah..I wont be travelling anywhere that masks are required. They are annoying, uncomfortable, cant eat, cant drink, cant smoke, hard to talk/hear people and those aren't even any potential medical issues with them.

 

Maybe for the first few cruises while they are still being started up and not everyone is vaccinated yet, but I expect any company that wants my $$ once this pandemic is over, no way in hell I will support your business if you think masks are the "new normal"

 

 

 

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16 hours ago, bhageerah said:

At this point I really do not want to wear one while on a cruise, but if it meant that I would be able to relax on a cruise ship again, I would wear one.  

There's the rub - I would not be able to relax appropriately to justify the expense of the cruise. My relaxation doesn't come in the form of sitting around in the cabin/on the balcony or hanging out in the casino for hours on end. I am active and outside most of the time. Masks required while on deck is a 100% deal breaker for me.

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I have said it before and I will say it again.

 

NO!

 

I am in the medical field and I clearly understand all the ramifications and I will not travel on VACATION if masks are required. And I will advise all my patients as to the same.

Until there is a viable approved vaccine and it has been widely distributed to the general public and it all gets back to normal I will not cruise.

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14 hours ago, Joe01 said:

. I could understand wearing one indoors such as at the buffet or in the promenade but all outdoor areas is taking the michael in my opinion especially if physical distancing is involved. I

Please explain to this stupid American what "taking the michael" means.

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Could I wear a mask on a cruise?  I could.  Do I want to wear a mask on a cruise?  No.

The bigger issue for me is not being able to self explore.  If I can fly somewhere and I'm allowed to be a tourist (while wearing a mask) why can't I on a cruise?  

The requirement to only take ship excursions and never leave the ship otherwise makes the mask question irrelevant to me.  That is not how I want to travel on vacation.

🎶  Welcome to the Hotel California.  You can check in any time you like but you can never leave.  🎶

 

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I understand everyone has an opinion on wearing masks...most based on science and metrics...and there is more than enough personal preference and reasoning on either side of the argument...

...but...

To answer your question, Chris...yes. If wearing a mask will allow me to cruise again, I will wear a mask. Whether I agree or disagree with the effectiveness of wearing one doesn’t matter. If that’s the condition to get back to sea...so be it.

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They will greatly interfere with my drink package - but if I have to wear one to get to go on vacation, I will wear one. There are bigger, worthy hills to die on these days. Now get me on a damn boat!

I agree with Twangster that the bigger issue is not being able to leave this ship without a booked excursion. All I can say is, they better start contracting with all the places I want to go! 

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1 hour ago, SpeedNoodles said:

Please explain to this stupid American what "taking the michael" means.

It's a commonwealth idiom - basically means that they are making a fool out of something. In the context of what I'd said in the earlier post, I feel that they are making a fool out of actual rules to prevent COVID by mandating outdoor mask usage.

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1 hour ago, twangster said:

Could I wear a mask on a cruise?  I could.  Do I want to wear a mask on a cruise?  No.

The bigger issue for me is not being able to self explore.  If I can fly somewhere and I'm allowed to be a tourist (while wearing a mask) why can't I on a cruise?  

The requirement to only take ship excursions and never leave the ship otherwise makes the mask question irrelevant to me.  That is not how I want to travel on vacation.

🎶  Welcome to the Hotel California.  You can check in any time you like but you can never leave.  🎶

 

Do people have to leave the ship to go on ship excursions or can they stay onboard? If it's the former and you have a day structured by the cruise line, they can take a hike.

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10 hours ago, PaulRC said:

Plus if masks are so effective why is the covid number still rising. 

When I am bored, I obsess over the numbers. I observed a couple of things where I live. Mask mandates were announced in mid-September for October 1. The documented cases had been rising a little leading up to that. About three weeks after the mandate, documented cases had increased four fold. I looked a little further, and with a goal of 4,000 tests a week, they documented 40,000 (that's forty-thousand) with a positivity rate of 10%. I am cynical enough to believe strongly something else is going on, and questioning it with multiple letters and emails to elected leaders (executive and legislative) have been ignored. In terms of the rise in covid numbers...IMO, the testing in my area leads to it along with some data I saw from the CDC that among positive cases, mask wearers were the highest category. If you're bored and want to look at the table on that site that shows it, let me know, and I will send a link. I also believe we are all sick until proven healthy (uninfected, not healthy), and healthy has a short time limit, then we do it all over again. So. Tired. Of. This. Sorry for the  rant...I don't see masks ever going away.

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While the common flu has a distinct season and it becomes less prevalent in warmer months, CV-19 doesn't share this characteristic in exactly the same manner.  Nonetheless it does appear CV-19 varies so that it is more prevalent in colder months.  Whether there is a direct relationship to temperature or indirect as more people stay indoors due to colder temperatures isn't clear.  

Masks by themselves don't stop the virus in its tracks.  The unknown is where the numbers would be given the tendency for an increase in colder months had masks not been introduced or used to the degree they have been.   The same is true of other mitigation efforts.  If we had used masks but never introduced social distancing where would the numbers be?  We don't know.

Similarly we don't know where the numbers would be had no mitigation steps been taken.  No social distancing, no masks, no partial or full closures of bars and restaurants, schools unchanged, churches wide open and cruise ships sailing like there was no virus.  What would the death count be if none of that was done?  We'll never know.   

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I’m ok walking around the ship, getting from point A to point B. Not ok wearing it on the pool deck/outdoors. That’s just ridiculous, especially in the hot Caribbean. 
 

For my end of May symphony, I don’t mind doing the ship excursions. We always go to the beach so just use the excursions to get there. 
 

My October Odyssey in the Mediterranean is another story. I’ve got the excursions booked but may cancel before final payment. I want to freely explore. That’s a once in a lifetime trip. 

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5 minutes ago, Jill said:

I’m ok walking around the ship, getting from point A to point B. Not ok wearing it on the pool deck/outdoors. That’s just ridiculous, especially in the hot Caribbean. 
 

For my end of May symphony, I don’t mind doing the ship excursions. We always go to the beach so just use the excursions to get there. 
 

My October Odyssey in the Mediterranean is another story. I’ve got the excursions booked but may cancel before final payment. I want to freely explore. That’s a once in a lifetime trip. 

I think by October you should be able to do your own exploration unless RCG just would want to keep it a bit longer in order to mandate and squeeze every bit of $ from their passengers.

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22 hours ago, Joe01 said:

We've had a lot of outdoor gatherings in the UK such as protests and gatherings on beaches and they've made basically no difference to case numbers so it just seems dictatorial to make people wear them outside.

Are you being serious? No difference to case numbers? 

London = after protests and large gatherings in soho london went into a 2nd lockdown before other cities

Manchester and Newcastle : students out partying caused a rise in cases, i believe the university of Durham had over 1000 cases at one point! 

Liverpool : again when restrictions where lifted and people gathered in larger numbers in bars etc cases shot up that much they had to close everything again.

The list is endless! EVEN my own city of Aberdeen was the 1st in Scotland to be put back into lockdown due to LARGE gatherings outside bars 

All of these were reported in the press along with photographs of those involved not wearing masks

 

https://www.palatinate.org.uk/significant-reduction-in-covid-19-cases-at-durham-university/

 

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/5888540/coronavirus-aberdeen-pub-cluster-soul-hawthorn/amp/

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I believe that masks work and have no issue with wearing one while outside of the house...however...  

I had to draw the line with cruising.  Was scheduled to sail in late March and when I read that I would need to wear a mask while outside on the pool deck..NO THANKS that doesn't sound like a vacation to me!!  I was ok with the idea of wearing it inside of the ship in the public areas but not outside in the open air.

So with the numbers exploding, the outside mask rule, and the vaccine just getting going, I have pushed my sailing back to 2022.

I hope everyone that gets to sail soon has a fantastic time and that everyone everywhere stays healthy!

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