What’s your deal breaker?

[tonyfsu21]

Once RC resumes cruising what would be your deal breaker in regards to a new safety protocol or something that is modified or cancelled all together? Example: face masks at the pool.

For me it’s gotta be lack of access to speciality dining, time restrictions in the casino, cancellation of the sunset sail away party and making a reservation to swim in the pool. I think at that point I will officially give up on cruise vacations until something changes. 

[L454S]

9 minutes ago, tonyfsu21 said:

Once RC resumes cruising what would be your deal breaker in regards to a new safety protocol or something that is modified or cancelled all together? Example: face masks at the pool.

For me it’s gotta be lack of access to speciality dining, time restrictions in the casino, cancellation of the sunset sail away party and making a reservation to swim in the pool. I think at that point I will officially give up on cruise vacations until something changes. 

No Windjammer and having to wear a facemask AT ALL. Both deal breakers.

[sk8erguy1978]

I'm not opposed to wearing a mask at certain times in the future as more things are understood but right now that's my deciding factor, at least for September ... See what's happening in December for that cruise. My wife wears a mask all day for work & I'm not a fan in general. I wear it when I need to, but it makes me feel uncomfortable, awkward, etc. It wouldn't feel like a vacation trying to stroll the promenade with a mask. That's in addition to all the other social distance measure that'll need to be in place. Barriers at slot machines, between bartenders, etc. It'll feel more like a science fiction movie than vacation.

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[WAAAYTOOO]

38 minutes ago, tonyfsu21 said:

For me it’s gotta be lack of access to speciality dining, time restrictions in the casino, cancellation of the sunset sail away party and making a reservation to swim in the pool. I think at that point I will officially give up on cruise vacations until something changes. 

These are pretty much mine, too, Tony.  I have a feeling that a Genie is going to be even more important for a while, than it has been in the past.

[Pima1988]

2 hours ago, tonyfsu21 said:

For me it’s gotta be lack of access to speciality dining, time restrictions in the casino, cancellation of the sunset sail away party and making a reservation to swim in the pool. I think at that point I will officially give up on cruise vacations until something changes. 

I would add Schooners too.  We love doing the trivia, and sing a long at night.  

OH and if they canceled the 70s night party, I am done!

[Lovetocruise2002]

For us, the deal breaker is going to be the 14 day Quarantine Act in Canada, and the border restrictions.  If those are lifted, we are going.  Looking at the types of bookings I have between now and spring 2021 and our personal style when cruising, dining isn't going to be an issue, the mask is not a deal breaker (as long as it's in public areas only), and I have not been #teamWJ for a very long time.

[teddy]

Only way we’ll cancel is if a quarantine is required when we come back home.

[tonyfsu21]

39 minutes ago, teddy said:

Only way we’ll cancel is if a quarantine is required when we come back home.

Good point. I would add this to my list as well. I can see this happening especially with the media portrayal of a floating Petri dish. 

[PurdueFlyer]

face mask is probably my deal breaker unless it's required in very limited quantities.  Getting a q-tip jammed up my nostril at the pier in order to get onboard is a close second.  

Also, the whole "guilty until proven innocent" phase alot of governments are going through (ie, 14 day quarantine when you return from XYZ whether you have symptoms or not).  We don't do this for any other illness.  It needs to stop.  

[Ray]

Theres no difference between a restaurant on land or on a cruiseship 

No difference between a casino on land or on cruiseship 

If measures be it masks, social Distancing etc are put in place to protect people on land these measures will be implemented on cruiseships.

We just have to get used to the fact the world has changed and it will take a long time to recover

Right now i want to cruise but i cannot, simple fact is government restrictions have made it impossible.

No flights, hotels on lockdown, cruise cancelled and now new quarantine regulations so god only knows when i will be able to rebook

On the plus side when we do sail again wearing masks doesnt bother me, in fact its a bonus as it makes her indoors look better

 

[sk8erguy1978]

6 minutes ago, Ray said:

Theres no difference between a restaurant on land or on a cruiseship 

No difference between a casino on land or on cruiseship 

If measures be it masks, social Distancing etc are put in place to protect people on land these measures will be implemented on cruiseships.

We just have to get used to the fact the world has changed and it will take a long time to recover

I just discussed these points and more with my wife. It is the reality. However, we will just wait and see.

We have a final payment coming late June (for September) and again in September (for December). If I could guess as to my future with these two cruises... Final payment for September made in June. Probably not sail in September and move that money to December. Once we close in on December decide if we want to go or cancel and FCC for something in 2021. 

[USFFrank]

7 hours ago, sk8erguy1978 said:

 Barriers at slot machines

Why do I have this funny feeling that the slot machine I had really wanted to play, but was blocked off for social distancing will be the one that's ready to give the big payout. But I'll never know, I'll be playing the one next to it

[Chadster]

I get that a lot of people find their "deal breaker" to be having to wear masks, but I just hope if people decide to sail, they'll do as they're told and won't try to push back against RCCL's requirements. That's the thing that worries me -- people deciding mid-cruise is suddenly a time to take a stand or something. THAT would ruin my cruise more than anything. Make up your mind before you get on board, please.

[mnshortie21]

Wearing a mask is a deal breaker. I give kudos to those who have to wear them every day for work. I cannot, it makes me feels like I am suffocating. I might be okay  if it's limited to things like the muster drill or only for a short period of time. 

[mook1525]

1. Wearing a mask

2. 14 day quarantine upon return

[Chadster]

1 hour ago, mook1525 said:

2. 14 day quarantine upon return

You know, if the U.S. Public Health Service/military health establishment/National Health Service Corps figure out a way to pull off giving every traveler coming into a U.S. port of entry a rapid-result test so we knew whether or not we needed to quarantine, I'd love that -- because even though I personally can quarantine for 14 days upon return, I know a lot of people can't, and it'd be nice to know whether or not they had to, especially if it were the go/no-go factor for their travel plans.

[S0nny]

2 hours ago, Chadster said:

Make up your mind before you get on board, please.

100% this! 

I wear a mask for work everyday (including gowns, gloves and goggles ) I don't personally want to wear one when on vacation. I wouldn't mind wearing them in public spaces if it was required... but where is the line drawn? At the bar? In the theater? In the main dining room? We are heavy users of the UBP... might be a stinker to be constantly adjusting the mask to get my drink on. And don't even get me started on hand-washing...   

[WanderPam]

The only deal breaker for us would be if most ports are still closed or activities limited. We cruise for the destinations and wouldn't want a cruise of mostly sea days with only 1 or 2 ports. 

We have even been setting aside extra funds in case we have to quarantine upon returning. The mask issue is also not a concern to us. I wear one 8 hours a day at work...I'd rather be wearing one for 8 hours a day on a cruise lol.

[Chadster]

20 minutes ago, S0nny said:

100% this! 

I wear a mask for work everyday (including gowns, gloves and goggles ) I don't personally want to wear one when on vacation. I wouldn't mind wearing them in public spaces if it was required... but where is the line drawn? At the bar? In the theater? In the main dining room? We are heavy users of the UBP... might be a stinker to be constantly adjusting the mask to get my drink on. And don't even get me started on hand-washing...   

I get it. Totally, I do. None of us want to wear a mask. And honestly, I find myself wondering how RCCL is going to make all of this work; I live in a state that's still only allowing restaurants to do carry-out/curbside delivery, so honestly, I don't even understand how masks and dining areas (and oh, my God -- bars...which I'll admit are gonna be super-important to me!) would even work together...but the thought isn't something I relish. Still, it's something I'd do in order to cruise. I just take comfort in knowing I could just lounge on my balcony without the mask -- or at least so I'd hope.

As long as I know what I'm getting into, I'll make it work. Will it be ideal? Nope...this whole pandemic isn't ideal -- but then again, viruses don't really care if they're not.

[S0nny]

2 minutes ago, Chadster said:

I just take comfort in knowing I could just lounge on my balcony without the mask

Exactly this! haha I am desperately in need of a vacation... and I'm eyeballing an 11 day cruise out of Galveston in December... I could just sit on my balcony and get room-service and still be content! (as long as my room had quick access to a bar )

[bcarney]

My deal breaker is that I'm not sailing until there is a vaccine. Getting sick because some yahoo declines to note that they have a fever when boarding the ship since they don't want to lose their vacation.... yeah, not worth it to me.

[Ray]

3 hours ago, bcarney said:

My deal breaker is that I'm not sailing until there is a vaccine. Getting sick because some yahoo declines to note that they have a fever when boarding the ship since they don't want to lose their vacation.... yeah, not worth it to me.

Personally i dont think they will ever get a proper vaccine for it! 

I think in years to come this is going to be classed and treated by people in the same way as the flu, every year people will get their jabs and every year 100s of 1000s all over the world, some of whom have had the jabs will die of it unnoticed just as flu deaths are today because its just covid19.

You cannot wipe out a virus completely so we may as well live for today because we dont know what tomorrow will bring

 

 

[VACruiser]

I’ve already cancelled a cruise for later this year because I wanted to see what happens. My caution is waiting to see which ports are accepting travelers. I cruise for destinations so if my itinerary changes that would be a deal breaker for me. Wearing a mask on vacation also does not make me want to go cruising; just doesn’t seem like a vacation to me and makes it too surreal. 

I don’t have a cruise for 18 months so I’m in the wait and see mode. I hope it comes back but...who knows. 

[L454S]

2 hours ago, Ray said:

Personally i dont think they will ever get a proper vaccine for it! 

I think in years to come this is going to be classed and treated by people in the same way as the flu, every year people will get their jabs and every year 100s of 1000s all over the world, some of whom have had the jabs will die of it unnoticed just as flu deaths are today because its just covid19.

You cannot wipe out a virus completely so we may as well live for today because we dont know what tomorrow will bring

 

 

Agree, most of the people saying they will wait for a vaccine need to understand there may well never be a vaccine. "Social Distancing" and full time or even part time masking is not a reasonable expectation on a ship or a lot of other land based venues.

[mworkman]

The mask is going to be the biggest problem, they actually put you at an increased risk of respiratory illness and viral infections. 

[Larry Muster]

16 minutes ago, mworkman said:

The mask is going to be the biggest problem, they actually put you at an increased risk of respiratory illness and viral infections. 

Do you have any facts to back this up?  Fauci said when cleaned properly, masks work as barriers.  How could a clean barrier increase the chance of respiratory illness?

[Dad2Cue]

14 minutes ago, Larry Muster said:

Do you have any facts to back this up?  Fauci said when cleaned properly, masks work as barriers.  How could a clean barrier increase the chance of respiratory illness?

There is much debate on the subject. I personally think a mask will help although I don't like wearing one.  The key word is cleaned "properly."  I would add worn properly, removed properly, and touched properly.  There is also the issue of masks providing a false assurance of safety.  I personally get winded when I wear one. There are some downsides to a mask.

If someone prefers that I wear one to protect them --- I will comply.  I'm not so sure it helps me that much.

[ellcee]

9 hours ago, Chadster said:

I just take comfort in knowing I could just lounge on my balcony without the mask -- or at least so I'd hope.

THIS^^^

 

My only deal breaker echoes a bunch of people's here - mandatory quarantine afterwards. I don't give 2 effs about what I need to do - I've been working from home since March 13th. My cruise is the only thing I've been looking forward to. Not looking forward to flying though.

[HeWhoWaits]

Required masks is my deal breaker. Currently, I choose to not frequent any establishment that requires masks while going to similar places where it is optional.

As badly as I need a haircut (needed one around April 1 but all places to get it done properly were closed until this weekend), I will put it off until the current "masks must be worn by all" requirement for salons and barber shops is lifted.

[Dad2Cue]

16 minutes ago, ellcee said:

16 minutes ago, ellcee said:

My only deal breaker echoes a bunch of people's here - mandatory quarantine afterwards. I don't give 2 effs about what I need to do - I've been working from home since March 13th. My cruise is the only thing I've been looking forward to. Not looking forward to flying though.

Having to fly to the port might be a deal breaker for me.  Especially since my next cruise in November is a trans Atlantic and departs from Barcelona, Spain.  Any sort of mandatory quarantine before and/or after the cruise would be a definite deal breaker.

The bottom line for me would be how much extra cost I might incur.  Health risks are also a big factor but I don't think a cruise is more risky than other places but staying home might be safer.  Finally, there is the "hassle factor" and there is only so much hassle that I can handle.

 

[mworkman]

41 minutes ago, Larry Muster said:

Do you have any facts to back this up?  Fauci said when cleaned properly, masks work as barriers.  How could a clean barrier increase the chance of respiratory illness?

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2015-04-masksdangerous-health.html

[WannaCruise]

Logistics - Canadian/US border must be open (and passports offices opened for renewing)

Quarantine - No 14 day quarantine required on return. Another big one is for the Cruise ship to find a way to quarantine the person instead of the whole ship if someone if found to have covid.  And not to keep the whole ship stuck at sea for x days.

I could deal with wearing a mask say walking in promenade, at the theater, but obviously not possible in MDR, bars or other similar venues.  And pool deck when out in the sun wouldn't be very pleasant.

[Larry Muster]

2 minutes ago, mworkman said:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2015-04-masksdangerous-health.html

This does not support your argument as this does not apply to us cruisers.  This study relates to “Widespread use of cloth masks by healthcare workers”.  Healthcare workers need the disposable masks that can be changed after every patient.  Clearly.

[Larry Muster]

22 minutes ago, HeWhoWaits said:

Required masks is my deal breaker. Currently, I choose to not frequent any establishment that requires masks while going to similar places where it is optional.

I’m the opposite I look for places that are mask-required.  A barrier makes me more comfortable.  Anything I can do within reason to avoid bringing a virus home is worth the inconvenience in my opinion.

Keep us posted on your haircut protest.

[mworkman]

2 minutes ago, Larry Muster said:

This does not support your argument as this does not apply to us cruisers.  This study relates to “Widespread use of cloth masks by healthcare workers”.  Healthcare workers need the disposable masks that can be changed after every patient.  Clearly.

It does, but you don't like the answer! 

[SpeedNoodles]

4 hours ago, Ray said:

 

You cannot wipe out a virus completely so we may as well live for today because we dont know what tomorrow will bring

 

 

Sure you can. It's called "small pox".

[Larry Muster]

Just now, mworkman said:

It does, but you don't like the answer! 

I’m not a healthcare worker when I’m at Schooner bar (drinking a very dirty martini and doing poorly at trivia).  The entire article you quoted is specific to healthcare workers wearing cloth masks for long periods of time.  

[mworkman]

4 minutes ago, Larry Muster said:

I’m not a healthcare worker when I’m at Schooner bar (drinking a very dirty martini and doing poorly at trivia).  The entire article you quoted is specific to healthcare workers wearing cloth masks for long periods of time.  

https://www.ems1.com/ems-products/personal-protective-equipment-ppe/articles/why-a-cloth-mask-isnt-adequate-healthcare-ppe-4fuuWuS6YYZs9xJg/

Health care workers don't wear it as much as what peopler are doing today, Thats just common sense. 

[bhageerah]

9 hours ago, S0nny said:

Exactly this! haha I am desperately in need of a vacation... and I'm eyeballing an 11 day cruise out of Galveston in December... I could just sit on my balcony and get room-service and still be content! (as long as my room had quick access to a bar )

I am with you @S0nny, there is a cruise out of Baltimore that I am heavily considering getting, 8 days, as long as I have a balcony I would be happy ordering room service and sitting out there and watching the waves roll by.  Just give me access to the gym, and maybe a few shows during that 8 days and I am happy!  The mask is not a deal breaker and would be more than happy to wear it at certain times when it is appropriate, at this point of time even though I am essential personnel and am able to get out, I still need to get away for awhile and recharge my batteries for a bit! 

 

[Ampurp85]

I know this virus is "here, queer and don't want any more bears*"...therefore for me it is just the time to feel comfortable. I just want piece of mind that a complete a-hole won't board the ship sick or cough in my face because I took the last moderately crispy piece of bacon. Just like the flu, common cold and other viruses there will always be cases, so some immunity would be amazing. Mask are a deal breaker because they suck...I finally tried to run in one today and nearly passed out. Its only 71 degrees now, with Chicago humidity, imagine wearing a mask in Mexico or the Bahamas.

 

*Simpson's quote I felt like chanting