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https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/cruise/covid19-cruiseships.html

 

October 25, 2021 Update

CDC extended the Framework for Conditional Sailing Order (CSO) with minor modifications. The CDC Director signed the Temporary Extension & Modification of the CSO on October 25, 2021; it is effective upon expiration of the current CSO on November 1, 2021.

The Temporary Extension & Modification of the CSO shall remain in effect until the earliest of

  • The expiration of the Secretary of Health and Human Services’ declaration that COVID-19 constitutes a public health emergency;
  • The CDC Director rescinds or modifies the order based on specific public health or other considerations; or
  • January 15, 2022 at 12:01 am EDT.

After the expiration of the Temporary Extension & Modification of the CSO, CDC intends to transition to a voluntary program, in coordination with cruise ship operators and other stakeholders, to assist the cruise ship industry to detect, mitigate, and control the spread of COVID-19 onboard cruise ships.

As of July 23, 2021, the CSO and accompanying measures, such as technical instructions, are nonbinding recommendations for cruise ships arriving in, located within, or departing from a port in Florida. CDC is continuing to operate the CSO as a voluntary program for such ships that choose to follow the CSO measures voluntarily.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/cruise/pdf/CDC-CSO-Extension-10-25-21-p.pdf

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"The pandemic isn't over. We've seen what the delta variant can do," Treffiletti said. "Despite, you know, really what have been the best efforts of the cruise industry to provide a safer and healthier environment for crew, passengers and communities, COVID-19 has still been a challenge, particularly with the delta variant."

What a load of crap. There have been less cases per person on ships than in some (most) states.

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2 minutes ago, cruisellama said:

Guessing -> 2. It will  may expire in January

Actually, CDC said it WILL expire in January

From CDC website:

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After the expiration of the Temporary Extension & Modification of the CSO, CDC intends to transition to a voluntary program, in coordination with cruise ship operators and other stakeholders, to assist the cruise ship industry to detect, mitigate, and control the spread of COVID-19 onboard cruise ships.

 

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It does say:

"As of July 23, 2021, the CSO and accompanying measures, such as technical instructions, are nonbinding recommendations for cruise ships arriving in, located within, or departing from a port in Florida. CDC is continuing to operate the CSO as a voluntary program for such ships that choose to follow the CSO measures voluntarily."

So the cruise lines out of Florida could ignore though going against CDC unfortunately may not be the best business move since at least they are sailing again

 

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Hi all- I’m booked on Harmony for the November 14th sailing, RIGHT after Harmony arrives stateside. Since they shortened the transatlantic by one day (arriving the 13th) in order for extra cleaning/inspection of the ship, is it safe to assume that RC is working with the CDC to circumvent a test sailing?? I’m losing my mind hoping my cruise will be good to go!

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Additionally, as of November 1, 2021, the CSO will apply to only foreign-flagged cruise ships operating in U.S. waters, or outside of U.S. waters if the cruise ship operator intends for the ship to return to operating in international, interstate, or intrastate waterways, subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. U.S-flagged cruise ship operators previously covered by the CSO may continue to participate on a voluntary basis.

@Matt

So for Jewel, which is now in Greece and not on the color-coded list yet, but is supposed to be coming back to Miami in November...(and has had some recent Covid cases)....Do I need to worry this ship could be flagged and restricted before my 11/15 cruise? 

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In reading the order, it sounds like the CDC is actually trying to work with the cruise lines.  They also sound committed to moving to a totally voluntary system in January.  I am sure there will be many skeptics, but I don't think there was any need to say it if that wasn't their intent.  And I think that 3 months is a reasonable amount of time to work towards such a system.  It also keeps the current protocols in force over the holiday cruises.  However I will admit that I have been a supporter of the CDC, so I am probably trying to put a positive spin on it.  I have no doubt that others may not see it this way. But this seems more of a compromise than I expected.

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23 minutes ago, D Alt said:

nervous nail biting GIF by Rooster Teeth

I’m in the same boat (ha ha)...booked on Harmony on the 14th after it gets back from the Med...I saw this on page 42 of the updated CSO and it seems promising:

“Modified Simulated Voyage Requirements in Lieu of a Full Simulated Voyage for Cruise Ship Operators Repositioning to U.S. Waters and Intending to Operate with Less than 95% of Passengers Fully Vaccinated

Cruise ship operators that have been conducting passenger operations outside of U.S. waters and intend to operate cruise ships with less than 95% of passengers fully vaccinated after repositioning to U.S. waters may, at their discretion, follow the procedures in this paragraph for conducting a modified simulated voyage instead of conducting a full simulated voyage if the following are met:

The ship must maintain a percentage of fully vaccinated crew that is 95% or greater.
The ship must have operated with passengers outside of U.S. waters for at least 60 days before entering U.S. waters.
The cruise ship operator must conduct at least one simulation of embarkation screening and testing at the port terminal it intends to use in the U.S.—to include the number of passengers not fully vaccinated expected on the first voyage—unless the ship will be operating at a terminal already in use by the same cruise line/brand for passenger operations.
At least 14 days prior to entering U.S. waters, the cruise ship operator must submit the following to CDC:
Protocols for how dining and entertainment venues, and recreational activities, including buffets, seated dining, bars (including between bartenders and patrons), theaters, other performance venues, casinos, arcade room, spa services, fitness classes/gymnasiums, muster drills, and other areas where passengers congregate will incorporate mask use, physical distancing, and other public health measures as outlined in technical instructions.
Plans for training crew on procedures for mask use, physical distancing, and other public health measures as outlined in CDC technical instructions.
Protocols for increasing the number of isolation and quarantine cabins and on-board support staff (e.g., administrative personnel, testing personnel, contact tracers, medical personnel) as determined by the cruise ship operator and as needed in the event an outbreak.
Procedures for how crew will identify and distinguish between passengers who are fully vaccinated and passengers who are not fully vaccinated.
Procedures for notifying passengers who booked a 95%-passenger-vaccinated cruise that their cruise will no longer operate as a 95%-passenger-vaccinated cruise, if applicable.
An after-action report explaining lessons learned from sailing outside of U.S. waters and from the simulated embarkation screening and testing (if such a simulation was conducted).
The cruise ship operator must submit photographs or videos, no later than 7 days after commencing the first voyage with less than 95% of passengers fully vaccinated, showing compliance with indoor mask use and physical distancing, such as signage in elevators, dining table arrangements, and blocking out seats/bar stools.”

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My only issue at this point with the sail order is that by February it looks like all home tests will be fully expired and I've still not heard they are making more which means testing at 150 per person vs 150 for 6 tests. 

 

I saw where the cso says something about dropping the requirement for a monitored observation period but I don't see that as not so requiring testing. 

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11 minutes ago, AshleyDillo said:

November protocols dropped finally too.  Only difference I really see is that excursions are required in St. Lucia, Barbados, St. Kitts and Antigua whether vaccinated or not.

they force you to take an excursion or tour? 

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aaaah ok.  

Checking on Jewel right now.  She's on her final Greece tour that ends on 10/30, then I gather it makes it way across the ocean, assuming passenger-less, to Miami. 16 days later, I pray it's ready for my trip.

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1 hour ago, ShannonO said:

I’m in the same boat (ha ha)...booked on Harmony on the 14th after it gets back from the Med...I saw this on page 42 of the updated CSO and it seems promising:

“Modified Simulated Voyage Requirements in Lieu of a Full Simulated Voyage for Cruise Ship Operators Repositioning to U.S. Waters and Intending to Operate with Less than 95% of Passengers Fully Vaccinated

Cruise ship operators that have been conducting passenger operations outside of U.S. waters and intend to operate cruise ships with less than 95% of passengers fully vaccinated after repositioning to U.S. waters may, at their discretion, follow the procedures in this paragraph for conducting a modified simulated voyage instead of conducting a full simulated voyage if the following are met:

✅The ship must maintain a percentage of fully vaccinated crew that is 95% or greater.
✅The ship must have operated with passengers outside of U.S. waters for at least 60 days before entering U.S. waters.
✅The cruise ship operator must conduct at least one simulation of embarkation screening and testing at the port terminal it intends to use in the U.S.—to include the number of passengers not fully vaccinated expected on the first voyage—unless the ship will be operating at a terminal already in use by the same cruise line/brand for passenger operations. (Allure/Mariner use Port Canaveral)
At least 14 days prior to entering U.S. waters, the cruise ship operator must submit the following to CDC:
❓Protocols for how dining and entertainment venues, and recreational activities, including buffets, seated dining, bars (including between bartenders and patrons), theaters, other performance venues, casinos, arcade room, spa services, fitness classes/gymnasiums, muster drills, and other areas where passengers congregate will incorporate mask use, physical distancing, and other public health measures as outlined in technical instructions.
❓✅Plans for training crew on procedures for mask use, physical distancing, and other public health measures as outlined in CDC technical instructions.
❓✅Protocols for increasing the number of isolation and quarantine cabins and on-board support staff (e.g., administrative personnel, testing personnel, contact tracers, medical personnel) as determined by the cruise ship operator and as needed in the event an outbreak.
✅Procedures for how crew will identify and distinguish between passengers who are fully vaccinated and passengers who are not fully vaccinated.
✅Procedures for notifying passengers who booked a 95%-passenger-vaccinated cruise that their cruise will no longer operate as a 95%-passenger-vaccinated cruise, if applicable. (Not Applicable)
❓An after-action report explaining lessons learned from sailing outside of U.S. waters and from the simulated embarkation screening and testing (if such a simulation was conducted).
The cruise ship operator must submit photographs or videos, no later than 7 days after commencing the first voyage with less than 95% of passengers fully vaccinated, showing compliance with indoor mask use and physical distancing, such as signage in elevators, dining table arrangements, and blocking out seats/bar stools.”

For Anthem, Harmony and Jewel - This should all of been in effect. The items with question marks should have also been completed already, just I don't know if Royal has actually provided this to the CDC (I can assume this, but.. ) (I left the question mark with the venue protocols line, as Anthem/Harmony has no list of vaccinated and unvaccinated venues on the Royal Website. (Are There Any Experiences Or VenueAs That Are Closed? | Royal Caribbean Cruises_) (Jewel does have this list)

I can also read this two ways.. a) the test cruise is discretionary and not required or b) modified test cruise IN LIEU OF full test cruise. (Yes, I know it's "Voluntary" in Florida, but Royal has been saying they're following the CDC Protocols so.. if they (CDC) wants it, it'll happen)

That being said, the 64 million dollar question is.. what is a modified simulated voyage? and will Anthem/Harmony/Jewel have to do one?

 

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1 hour ago, smokeybandit said:

Doesn't look like the CDC changed anything. They didn't change the testing windows or criteria.

 

I want to know what difference another 75 days makes, other than to slap the face of the cruise lines one more time during the holiday season.

0 sense but at least the CDC director gave her blessing for parents to take their kids trick or treating this year.. how gracious of her. What a benevolent technocratic overlord we have! 

Florida has one of the lowest case records in the US now, I wish Florida sailings would just ignore the CDC and CSO. Just wonder how this will affect cancellations as I’m sure many thought the CSO would truly expire on Oct 31 and will now not sail 

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9 hours ago, UNCFanatik said:

Just wonder how this will affect cancellations as I’m sure many thought the CSO would truly expire on Oct 31 and will now not sail.

Oh, I'll imagine there's a decent number of people in this boat, no pun intended.

I foresee some major price drops on sailings through the end of the year coming up.

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