DunwoodyDad Posted June 16, 2020 Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 Just read Matt’s latest blogs and it’s so unfortunate (My opinion) that the CDC is making the call on when it’s safe to cruise unlike all these other travel / vacation industries. I’m afraid it’s going to be a really long time before the CDC says it’s safe. I was at a beach resort in Florida for Memorial Day week with a large group and we are fine. There was some capacity reduction indoor of restaurants and masks were worn in retail stores. Outside bars and restaurants ran at regular levels. Other than indoor stuff everything was basically normal especially the pools and beach. it was in Walton county on the pan handle and there has been no change in the local numbers. It’s just too bad that cruising has been targeted here. It would be interesting if it was the call of the originating port governor..... SteveinSC, DunkelBierJay, Neesa and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jill Posted June 16, 2020 Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 At what point do we passengers grab our torches and pitchforks? I’m about ready to start making some noise. If you can sit in a movie theater on land, you should be able to sit in a theater on a ship. If you can sit in a restaurant on land, you should be able to sit in a restaurant on a ship. If you can fly on an airplane that can have upwards of 1,000 passengers in a day, all smooshed together breathing recirculated air, why not a cruise ship? So if we all did start being squeaky wheels, WHO do we complain too? Senators/Representatives/Governors of port states? Inundate the CDC phone lines and social media? I think it’s time they hear from US! DunkelBierJay, PhantomWolf, PRebecca and 4 others 4 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehw51 Posted June 16, 2020 Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 Agree completely, time to make some noise. Just at least give us dates. They meet on thur so hope they get some answers. Mrs. Thomas and Ogilthorpe 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Stephens Posted June 16, 2020 Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 August 23rd is looking further and further away...looks like I could be missing my 2nd cruise, 1st time I'd be on Oasis. Yes, we have to make some noise somehow, this is insane. And, if we have to self-quarantine when we get back or 14 days, I can't go anyway, I can't do my job remotely. This f$&king bites. Ogilthorpe, Hoski and Mrs. Thomas 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jill Posted June 16, 2020 Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 7 minutes ago, ehw51 said: Agree completely, time to make some noise. Just at least give us dates. They meet on thur so hope they get some answers. Maybe we start now prior to Thursday meeting. Let them know we’re ready! Stupid CDC probably thinks no one wants to cruise. Mrs. Thomas 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehw51 Posted June 16, 2020 Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 I just called CDC 1-800-232-4636, they have NO idea what is going on. 1st went medical line, they have nothing to do with policy only health care answers. Nothing re: cruise lines,They sent me to the media line, all that did was tell me what I already know. July 24. They were not any help at all, would not transfer me to another supervisor, ẅe are very busy, click! Getting my wife and daughters and friends to call and just ask if they have any more answers. Ogilthorpe, Mrs. Thomas, Mike.s and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruisinForABruisin Posted June 16, 2020 Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 8 minutes ago, ehw51 said: I just called CDC 1-800-232-4636, they have NO idea what is going on. 1st went medical line, they have nothing to do with policy only health care answers. Nothing re: cruise lines,They sent me to the media line, all that did was tell me what I already know. July 24. They were not any help at all, would not transfer me to another supervisor, ẅe are very busy, click! Getting my wife and daughters and friends to call and just ask if they have any more answers. Pretty sure that the CDC has more important things to do, than answer your personal question of when you can drink a labadoozie again... CarlaB and DrNDo 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunkelBierJay Posted June 16, 2020 Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 The people are learning that safety can't be micromanaged by central bureaucracies. The CDC will never learn because they think they are too important. They need to continue moving goal posts in order to justify what they do. Any complaints to the US government will fall on deaf ears. Any appeals to using common sense and individuals taking responsibility for their own decisions will fall on deaf ears. Letters to elected legislators has fallen on deaf ears in my case. It is completely futile to expect control freaks to give up and let people live their lives. It could be a lot worse, but it is getting worse every day. ehw51, Mrs. Thomas, jticarruthers and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pooch Posted June 16, 2020 Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 Heck I'd be happy if the Gov of Florida would let me into the state without a 14 quarantine at this point! Talk about dragging your feet. Mrs. Thomas and ehw51 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyfsu21 Posted June 16, 2020 Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 NCL just extended through September. Mrs. Thomas, ehw51, Neesa and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neesa Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 We have been to the beach twice within the last 2 weeks, staying overnight during the middle of the week as well as a Friday night. The first stay was in Clearwater Beach the second time St. Pete Beach. BOTH times the places were PACKED. People made attempts to social distance, employees wore masks and the out of State plates outnumbered the Florida ones. There were roving groups of people everywhere, the ocean water was 88 degrees and everyone was enjoying a dip. I was sitting there thinking if the cruise ships don't pack us in like sardines, maybe sail at 70% we could do it. Maybe a bit differently, but it can be done. The collective attitude was "I know what is best for me and my family" type deal. Everyone was smiling and just soaking up the vitamin D. Disney World here in Florida is opening in July. Universal is open now. I believe where we are in Florida they are opening the schools in August. The CDC guidance is sadly lacking, they should have been proactively on this coupled with transparency the entire time. I never sailed until 2016 and never understood the euphoric nature of being on the water, I fell in love and miss sailing a great deal. I believe if the CDC were really concerned about our health on the ships they would have facilitated guidelines well before now and implemented then. (Ever been on a winter sailing when everyone is coughing & sneezing the entire Holiday?) I wish I felt comfortable & secure with this agency, I don't. I am sure there is a lot going on "behind the curtain" I picture the CDC as the "WIZARD" in the land of OZ. That being said the goings on are most likely not what should be! END. RANT. WAAAYTOOO, ehw51, Mrs. Thomas and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehw51 Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 16 hours ago, CruisinForABruisin said: Pretty sure that the CDC has more important things to do, than answer your personal question of when you can drink a labadoozie again... Really, what is their function but to answer questions? The people who answer the phones are there to answer questions, that is their job, they are not policy makers. They are there to disseminate information to the public. Neesa, Mrs. Thomas and ellcee 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pima1988 Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 Here's my rant. How are theme parks and casinos different than a cruise ship? Visitors are coming in from across the country via cars or airlines. Same as cruise ships. They have hotel accommodations, just like cruise ships. Wynn Resorts have announced that their buffets will re open in the next week or so at their casinos. IMPO, I would not go to a Theme park, regardless of a mask or not. We always stay on site at Disney, and in their higher end hotels (Yacht and Beach, Plantation, lowest end was the military Shades of Green) No way, shape or form would I say that their hotel accommodations are kept to the level of an RCL ship. Night time they are vacuuming and wiping down like a ship, but on a ship it is 24/7 that you always see them even prior to Covid, on the staircases wiping the hand rails through out the day. They are in your room cleaning it at least 2x a day. Hotel maids come in, clean your room in the a.m. and call it a day. I have stayed at hotels like the Williard in DC, and there is no turn down service for just the "avg" customer. RCL could go back out and do just a private island cruise to Coco Cay or Labadee. They could have full control. Compare that to Vegas. I book a room at the Venetian, but they are not going to lock me into the hotel. That means, if I decide to go to the M & M store they won't stop me. How is it that there is less likelihood of me getting the virus than getting off the ship in OSJ ? Where is the CDC stopping these hospitality industries? Don't even get me started on beaches being opened in NJ. Last I checked social distancing is not occurring. Anyone from NJ knows on any given day you will see a ton of NY and PA license plates. I truly feel that they have it in for the cruising industry. They industry shows they are in compliance, and their response is: OH Wait, we forgot to tell you that you must also do this too. It is as if they keep moving the goal post, or at least throw a technical flag on the field. Part of me wonders is if this is the one travel/hospitality industry they can control since they are not US companies like the others. They are not about to fight the governors for places like Vegas, NYC New Orleans or Miami that are demanding and needing those tax dollars from the hospitality industry. I think cruise lines need to stomp real hard on the governors of their ports and force them to fight their cause of re-starting sailing from a tax revenue aspect. OBTW I have no bone in this fight bc the only cruise now on my books is May 21. Just ranting bc I feel the pain on both sides. Passengers with sailings are ticked. RCL is trying to get back to sea, but the CDC is stopping them, yet, passengers don't see how the CDC are messing with their ability to do so. RCL than doesn't cancel because they need to see if they cleared the newest jump set by the CDC. Cruisers are ticked since the 90 day marker is there and they feel that RCL should have known. Mrs. Thomas, baltodave, USFFrank and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs. Thomas Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 18 hours ago, CruisinForABruisin said: Pretty sure that the CDC has more important things to do, than answer your personal question of when you can drink a labadoozie again... It's about more than just when we will sail again. If the CDC continues to be like this they can successfully mortally wound if not kill the cruising industry. Let's just say that they stop cruising for an entire year, which is possible, then a good few of the cruise line will go belly up, Virgin probably being one of the first. If that happens it will effect many other travel industries and the economies of other countries that depend on the tourism. Many of us are tired of being told what to do by a group of people who don't seem to completely know what is going on as they keep changing their statements and their numbers always seem to just not add up completely. The CDC thrives on panic and confusion and (IMO) they are enjoying this sudden rush of power. Neesa and Ogilthorpe 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruisinForABruisin Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 11 minutes ago, Mrs. Thomas said: It's about more than just when we will sail again. If the CDC continues to be like this they can successfully mortally wound if not kill the cruising industry. Let's just say that they stop cruising for an entire year, which is possible, then a good few of the cruise line will go belly up, Virgin probably being one of the first. If that happens it will effect many other travel industries and the economies of other countries that depend on the tourism. Many of us are tired of being told what to do by a group of people who don't seem to completely know what is going on as they keep changing their statements and their numbers always seem to just not add up completely. The CDC thrives on panic and confusion and (IMO) they are enjoying this sudden rush of power. Why in the hell would they be enjoying this? Cmon. Was the CDC running better when you were in charge of it? Loops and Pima1988 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAAAYTOOO Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 33 minutes ago, Mrs. Thomas said: a good few of the cruise line will go belly up ...and guess who will swoop in and buy up the cruise lines ? CHINER ! They caused the plague in the first place and then they will be able to get the cruise lines for a song once they go down. Ogilthorpe, Jill, Mrs. Thomas and 2 others 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs. Thomas Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 21 minutes ago, CruisinForABruisin said: Why in the hell would they be enjoying this? Cmon. Was the CDC running better when you were in charge of it? Because they are finally in charge of something. It's bureaucratic crap. This is the only time they are relevant and "important" and they are making the best of it. When else does anyone pay attention to them? It sounds like you are in a sarcastic and smart axx mood today. Maybe you should take a cruise and distress....oh wait...nevermind. USFFrank, Ogilthorpe and Loops 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruisinForABruisin Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 EVERYTHING ISN'T A CONSPIRACY, PEOPLE CarlaB, WAAAYTOOO, ellcee and 1 other 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs. Thomas Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, WAAAYTOOO said: ...and guess who will swoop in and buy up the cruise lines ? CHINER ! They caused the plague in the first place and then they will be able to get the cruise lines for a song once they go down. Then the quality will go way down just like everything you buy at Walmart. Ogilthorpe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruisinForABruisin Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Mrs. Thomas said: Then the quality will go way down just like everything you buy at Walmart. If you want quality, don't shop at Walmart! CarlaB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traveler Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 I think the issue might be very simple : If you ask CDC as an health organization they will tell you that the best way to fight the C19 (or any other virus) is to close everything , everyone will stay at home and the army will bring the food and water. few weeks/month like that and everything will be OK. On the other hand you have the local business and others organization that are pushing to open everything so the economy can recover. Theme parks = lots of local jobs and taxes at the parks/hotels/restaurants/laundries and many other business. They have someone to shout and push on their behalf. The cruise industry dose not have this , they do not pay taxes in the US and the number of local jobs they provide are limited. That is why the CDC allowing other things to be open while keep the cruise shut, Its not because they hate cruising they just could not keep all the other things close ... Loops, Ampurp85, DunwoodyDad and 1 other 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeedNoodles Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 25 minutes ago, Traveler said: The cruise industry dose not have this , they do not pay taxes in the US and the number of local jobs they provide are limited. That is why the CDC allowing other things to be open while keep the cruise shut, Its not because they hate cruising they just could not keep all the other things close ... Well, they do pay some taxes, just not the way people think they should pay. https://cruiseradio.net/fact-check-do-cruise-lines-pay-us-taxes/ Traveler, Ogilthorpe, Pima1988 and 3 others 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bean79 Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 I don't know about you guys but the only time I feel packed in on a cruise ship is during the muster drill!! ehw51, Ogilthorpe, USFFrank and 7 others 5 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaredhamburg Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 3 hours ago, Bean79 said: I don't know about you guys but the only time I feel packed in on a cruise ship is during the muster drill!! Only times I have ever felt crushed in were the muster drills, pirate night (on the Disney Wonder), and the champagne waterfall (on Princess ships....mostly busy due to free champagne to all). Overall, I feel much more packed in when going to movies, shopping, on a plane, etc.... RBRSKI, Mrs. Thomas and Neesa 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steverk Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 The CDC may never declare cruising safe, because nothing in the world is completely risk free. Therefore the bureaucratic mindset says "don't declare it safe because someone somewhere will get hurt or sick" Of course cdc only controls us ports...anyone up for a cruise OUT of the Bahamas? Mrs. Thomas and Kcusack89 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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