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I don't think there will be widespread cancellations, but perhaps there will be reduced capacity during the new variant.  Possibly by the cruise line but more likely from passengers postponing their trips.  Anyone else think passenger counts will decrease again over the next couple of months?

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17 minutes ago, Jill said:

It’s all over Facebook at the moment. 
 

Just like every other variant that’s come along, it comes, spikes and is gone within 8-12 weeks. Fall and Spring appear to be the safe periods to sail 

What's all over Facebook? The fact that there are no available cruises between now and Jan 15?

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44 minutes ago, SpeedNoodles said:

Interesting.  I hadn't even noticed that.

I just noticed it as well. I’d been tracking a cruise from Baltimore leaving 12/31 as a possible last minute deal, thinking the price could drop after the newer mask policy.  When I started tracking (before the policy change) it Was about $750 person for an inside GTY, yesterday or this morning it was $950 and just moments ago,  or on the site.  I’m thinking it hit capacity, since the price had increased before disappearing.

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15 minutes ago, Reigert2008 said:

I just noticed it as well. I’d been tracking a cruise from Baltimore leaving 12/31 as a possible last minute deal, thinking the price could drop after the newer mask policy.  When I started tracking (before the policy change) it Was about $750 person for an inside GTY, yesterday or this morning it was $950 and just moments ago,  or on the site.  I’m thinking it hit capacity, since the price had increased before disappearing.

I’m on the 1/9/22 Oasis cruise and like you, I have been checking  frequently for available suites as sailing nears. When I checked this afternoon it was the first time I noticed it was no longer on the website. I just figured (Hoping) it was an IT glitch or no longer appeared because they were limiting capacity. I’m not letting myself think it is anything more sinister than that!!! We’ve waited too long. 🚢 🤞 

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12 minutes ago, Kathleen said:

I’m on the 1/9/22 Oasis cruise and like you, I have been checking  frequently for available suites as sailing nears. When I checked this afternoon it was the first time I noticed it was no longer on the website. I just figured (Hoping) it was an IT glitch or no longer appeared because they were limiting capacity. I’m not letting myself think it is anything more sinister than that!!! We’ve waited too long. 🚢 🤞 

I’m still thinking it’s capacity, since these two cruise show up currently. I’d also think a lot of people would be commenting if they had cancelations.  I was watching Baltimore since it’s relatively drivable from home 🙂

 

 

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I have spent the last couple hours watching the drama. On one of my groups I belong to , a poster came in and claimed they were cancelling everything and that no bookings were available thriugh Jan 10. I did a mock book. A number of us called and the answer was that they are not accepting new bookings through then but there are NO CANCELLATIONS.... I verified on my own calls as well.  I did a mock book attempt and the two sailings shown above are indeed showing but not sure who  would go $2000 deep per person for a week on Freedom... So it appears a lot of miscommunication and jumpy nerves in play here... Something I saw  and still see as a little "different" is that they flooded one of my salings  people for a March sailing on Anthem with  Royal Up offers... I usually get them much closer to sailing time. 

 

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Of any that probably should be canceled is the Grandeur of the Seas sailing out of Barbados.
As of today…According to The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has issued a Level 4 Travel Health Notice for…
Barbados, Tobago, Trinidad, St Vincent, St Lucia, Dominica, Grenada.

Every port of call location is at a Level 4 Travel Health Notice (Do Not Travel) due to COVID-19 including Barbados.

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I think deep1's analysis is correct. We went on one of the summer sailings out of Nassau on Adventure and I noticed they jacked up the prices or eliminated types of inside rooms about a few weeks out and about a week out it wasn't bookable at all ( I was checking occasionally to get intel for my royal up offer). Turns out the ship was pretty empty once we got on, I think whole sections were vacant on lower floors probably because their computer just dropped cheaper room categories then the whole cruise as it approached capacity (rumored to be 25% in those early days). Our next cruise just dropped off entirely, Liberty on January 9th, less than 20 days away and looking at room availability yesterday it was between 50% and 75% full (hard to tell, could be lower if they held back rooms in addition to what was available). I was trying to see if there were lots of cancellations due to the casino smoking and masking everywhere policy changes even though it is just outside the Jan 5th re-evaluation date that will probably be extended. Whatever capacity number they set today, it was at that number so it stopped taking new bookings. The following week is still available and will likely drop off as it  hits the newer lower capacity.

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I think a blind man can see the writing on the wall folks; there will be another shutdown of cruising. The pleas from hospitals, the obvious impacts on professional sports, the positive cases aboard Explorer and Symphony; it does not take a Phd in virology to see that the virus is going to force another shutdown of our society and that includes cruising.

 

This shutdown should be a whole lot more unsympathetic. This time around the cruise lines management should be the ones responsible for allowing themselves into a mess they had all the tools to prevent. And, I think they should be held accountable. Healthy Sail Panels, health screenings, reduced capacities, eliminated excursions, air filtration upgrades-- a cruise ship is supposed to be this squeaky clean environment; better than walking down the street you live on. Except...clearly, they are not. 

 

It's management that has allowed unvaccinated passengers aboard (yeah, even if they were kids). They have permitted individual passengers to tell them when and how masks will be worn. Perhaps most egregious is Richard Fain making a mockery of the absolute #1 best way to reduce disease transmission--washing your hands.

 

I dare anyone of you to take a makeout session one step further in a hallway with someone you have hooked up with in the disco. Step on a railing in the Centrum to get a higher vantage point to take a picture. Be an employee who admits they disagree with their workload or at one point in time-- get this-- audibly mention they worked for another cruise line. We all know what stern punishment happens with those much smaller, seemingly inconsequential things.

 

It was so easy, if only Covid protocols were handled in the same manner as an onboard argument with your spouse. Ships would be sailing, sea days be had, and yes a cruise ship would be safer than walking down the street you live on.

 

 

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9 minutes ago, bobroo said:

The pleas from hospitals, the obvious impacts on professional sports, the positive cases aboard Explorer and Symphony; it does not take a Phd in virology to see that the virus is going to force another shutdown of our society and that includes cruising.

 

-Pleas from the hospitals will be there no matter what, especially hospitals suffering self-inflicted staffing shortages.

-Professional sports are already changing their protocols since they realize keeping asymptomatic people off the field is not a common sense approach anymore as covid weakens

-There have been cases on cruise ships since June.  With current protocols there will ALWAYS be cases found on ships.

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Being on the Odyssey right now my own personal assessment is the cruise line got excited and relaxed to soon. I had said previously after our November Oasis sailing they were on the path to shutting themselves down, their own fault. 

The last minute protocol  changes regarding masks, smoking in casino (Not a smoker) etc may not have been needed or an issue if they didn't ramp up capacity so darn fast and/or made the notifications in a more timely manner. 

There is a family in the Suite Lounge that are clearly sick with something. The coughing and sneezing is so bad we won't visit there anymore. They are extended. Grandparents on down to little ones. Our Suite concierge has disappeared never to be seen again after night 2. We are avoiding the suite lounge now. Period. What, no one else hears this? Shouldn't a test be in order? No. Why? I can only surmise $$$$

We have adjusted our behaviors as we are not mask wearers but do so because we agreed to adhere to sail. This sailing is our family Christmas event, we participate within our comfort level for our experience...but,

Shame on Royal. There are too many people on this ship and protocols they put in place are not being enforced or followed, so IF there is a shut down it belongs in my humble opinion squarely on their shoulders, this ship is packed. I do not believe the number of 3700 with 1700 children, no way.  Good Luck Royal but I think greed may have gotten in the way, just my personal observation. 

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20 minutes ago, Neesa said:

Being on the Odyssey right now my own personal assessment is the cruise line got excited and relaxed to soon. I had said previously after our November Oasis sailing they were on the path to shutting themselves down, their own fault. 

The last minute protocol  changes regarding masks, smoking in casino (Not a smoker) etc may not have been needed or an issue if they didn't ramp up capacity so darn fast and/or made the notifications in a more timely manner. 

There is a family in the Suite Lounge that are clearly sick with something. The coughing and sneezing is so bad we won't visit there anymore. They are extended. Grandparents on down to little ones. Our Suite concierge has disappeared never to be seen again after night 2. We are avoiding the suite lounge now. Period. What, no one else hears this? Shouldn't a test be in order? No. Why? I can only surmise $$$$

We have adjusted our behaviors as we are not mask wearers but do so because we agreed to adhere to sail. This sailing is our family Christmas event, we participate within our comfort level for our experience...but,

Shame on Royal. There are too many people on this ship and protocols they put in place are not being enforced or followed, so IF there is a shut down it belongs in my humble opinion squarely on their shoulders, this ship is packed. I do not believe the number of 3700 with 1700 children, no way.  Good Luck Royal but I think greed may have gotten in the way, just my personal observation. 

The counterargument is that no one saw omicron coming.  We all hoped that the virus was nearing its end, or at least we as a society had learned to live with it.  That's not the case.

Sports leagues have shut down, did they open too fast?

Some regions are closing bars, restaurants and gyms.  Did they open too fast?

There is a saying...  "Make hay while the sun shines".  That is what all businesses have tried to do during the "good" times of this pandemic.  This is what Royal has done.

Many have said that businesses like the cruise industry need to work with the government as the pandemic ebbs and flows, yet here we are with exactly that occurring and now they are criticized for opening too much, too fast.   

The way I see it exactly what needs to occur is happening.  They are reacting to the changing tides of the pandemic.  Once Omicron is behind us, and it will be, they can surge forward again, hoping again, that society will eventually stabilize with the virus.  It may never go away but like with other viruses we will eventually stabilize with it.   Until then Royal needs to make hay whenever they can and ease back when they must.

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10 hours ago, deep1 said:

Something I saw  and still see as a little "different" is that they flooded one of my salings  people for a March sailing on Anthem with  Royal Up offers... I usually get them much closer to sailing time. 

 

I received the Royal Up email for my March Anthem sailing!  First time I actually get a chance to bid since my husband and I are sailing “just us” this time!  Since I also saved $500 using AMEX offer I am excited to bid!  Of course, my luck…something will happen and ruin my excitement but no one knows the future!  Now if only the check-in would open up!

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IMHO there is no way the cruise lines shut down. As stated, many times before, zero cases were never going to happen. The protocols are working. Not only are we dealing with variants and covid...but it's cold and flu season. Any shutdown that happens now will pretty much kill the industry. I think people really need to get it in their heads that this virus is here, we need to adjust life around it. 

I don't think that pushing for over 70% for holiday sailing was the brightest idea. Especially if you weren't going to change the protocols.

I sail on Indy on Jan 10th, and it has been removed from the bookings. I don't think it has been cancelled. I think they reached capacity, whatever number they feel comfortable with. Sailings have been removed and closed before. FB is a cesspool of opinions and false information.

 

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My 2 cents, as a highly trained internet googling expert,  The government is going to shift or attempt to shift the focus from # of case to # of hospitalizations.  If hospitalizations and death go up to taxing the health care system then cruises are getting another stop sail order.  The good news is that whiles cases are and will continue to rise hospitalizations are not climbing in sync with them as they were last year due to the vaccines. 

 

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