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Allow the cruise industry to restart or keep it shuttered ........ a political decision? I think this is more likely to involve two different viewpoints both of them with supporting data behind them.

Heck, even my Florida hometown ACC team's coach tested positive.  The team still played without him as coach that weekend. I always assumed the point of the initial lockdown was to stop rapid spr

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Read CDC wanted to push to Feb '21 but others in the gov't believed too long so  Oct was used as starting peg with the option for a month-to-month slip.   Think that reduces probability of Nov restart.   The CDC could still just sit on the plans until they decide to allow.

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7 minutes ago, cruisellama said:

Read CDC wanted to push to Feb '21 but others in the gov't believed too long so  Oct was used as starting peg with the option for a month-to-month slip.   Think that reduces probability of Nov restart.   The CDC could still just sit on the plans until they decide to allow.

Probably from this floating around

 

Looks like the White House overruled the CDC director. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.axios.com/scoop-white-house-overruled-cdc-cruise-ships-florida-91442136-1b8e-442e-a2a1-0b24e9a39fb6.html

 

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2 hours ago, cruisellama said:

Read CDC wanted to push to Feb '21 but others in the gov't believed too long so  Oct was used as starting peg with the option for a month-to-month slip.   Think that reduces probability of Nov restart.   The CDC could still just sit on the plans until they decide to allow.

It also means those of us with November cruises won’t get much notice before the next round. I’d be RC and Others spend the next few weeks pleading their case and my November 8th cruise doesn’t get cancelled till 10/15. 

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8 hours ago, Andrew72681 said:

It also means those of us with November cruises won’t get much notice before the next round. I’d be RC and Others spend the next few weeks pleading their case and my November 8th cruise doesn’t get cancelled till 10/15. 

Well, to make it easier, we know at this point that the CDC was going to extend the no sail order to Feb. 2021. This tells me when the end if October rolls around, there most likely will be another extension and snother round of cancellations. With that in mind, the smart thing to do would be to move your reservation and make oter plans. Most people have done this and, like me, should cruising start up, I will be booking a last minute cruise. 

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1 hour ago, princevaliantus said:

Well, to make it easier, we know at this point that the CDC was going to extend the no sail order to Feb. 2021. This tells me when the end if October rolls around, there most likely will be another extension and snother round of cancellations. With that in mind, the smart thing to do would be to move your reservation and make oter plans. Most people have done this and, like me, should cruising start up, I will be booking a last minute cruise. 

Yep i gave up on trying to find itineraries that i liked that might survive the rolling ban. Added a Feb option into my portfolio this week though ..... and like you i will probably book a short notice one as soon as they are actually sailing again.

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28 minutes ago, jticarruthers said:

Yep i gave up on trying to find itineraries that i liked that might survive the rolling ban. Added a Feb option into my portfolio this week though ..... and like you i will probably book a short notice one as soon as they are actually sailing again.

When our Nov cruise gets canceled,  collect the 125% FCC and put it on the Mar '21.

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3 hours ago, princevaliantus said:

Well, to make it easier, we know at this point that the CDC was going to extend the no sail order to Feb. 2021. 

 

2 hours ago, jticarruthers said:

Yep i gave up on trying to find itineraries that i liked that might survive the rolling ban. Added a Feb option into my portfolio this week though ..... and like you i will probably book a short notice one as soon as they are actually sailing again.

All the articles I can find basically quote each other that the CDC wanted to extend "to Feb 2021".  But does that mean the no sail order would have ended Jan 31 or would it have extended all the way through Feb?  I don't think I'd be looking at anything before March 2021 just to avoid the frustration of another move.

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8 minutes ago, Atlantix2000 said:

All the articles I can find basically quote each other that the CDC wanted to extend "to Feb 2021".  But does that mean the no sail order would have ended Jan 31 or would it have extended all the way through Feb?

My understanding was extended through Jan 31 

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Just reported in New York Times....please pay close attention to the 3rd paragraph, which states, "The administration will instead allow the ships to sail after Oct. 31, the date the industry had already agreed to in its own, voluntary plan." Can this be the go-ahead we've all been waiting for???

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/30/health/covid-cruise-ships.html?smtyp=cur&smid=fb-nytimes&fbclid=IwAR20qirTGr5DpBhwI98pGseRUfwbz41vmy-Xqwxs9obDQnzo-C26ICRWTmU

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This is very worrisome to me. I know that the CDC hasn’t been entirely fair to the cruise industry but I’m not terribly happy that the White House is overriding them either. Cases are still going up in most of the country. I’m afraid to say much more because I know we aren’t supposed to be political here. But overriding the CDC isn’t a good solution either. We trust them to make these kind of decisions for us to keep us safe even if we don’t always understand or agree with all of them. 

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Trying to leave politics out of it, but simply by comparison, restricting cruises now, and especially until February, makes no sense. I think Vegas is the closest land based approximation of a cruise. 

- Trying to keep people in a small bubble (the Strip)

- Casinos, fine dining, hotel rooms

- Visiting different destinations during the day but returning to home base at night

- Live shows (currently closed in Vegas due to COVID, but scheduled to return in November.)

 

Vegas is open (with restrictions like social distancing and masks). I see no reason that is not politically motivated for either 

A. It's not dangerous. Cruises can reopen like Vegas, Walt Disney World, etc.

B. It's too dangerous. Cruises should stay closed, and Vegas, Disney World, theme parks, need to close down as well.

Having said that, my trust that the CDC is doing this out of goodwill for our safety is very low. 

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2 minutes ago, nate91 said:

Trying to leave politics out of it, but simply by comparison, restricting cruises now, and especially until February, makes no sense. I think Vegas is the closest land based approximation of a cruise. 

- Trying to keep people in a small bubble (the Strip)

- Casinos, fine dining, hotel rooms

- Visiting different destinations during the day but returning to home base at night

- Live shows (currently closed in Vegas due to COVID, but scheduled to return in November.)

 

Vegas is open (with restrictions like social distancing and masks). I see no reason that is not politically motivated for either 

A. It's not dangerous. Cruises can reopen like Vegas, Walt Disney World, etc.

B. It's too dangerous. Cruises should stay closed, and Vegas, Disney World, theme parks, need to close down as well.

Having said that, my trust that the CDC is doing this out of goodwill for our safety is very low. 

vegas's reopening saw an enormous spike in cases 2 weeks after the fact

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4 minutes ago, CruisinForABruisin said:

vegas's reopening saw an enormous spike in cases 2 weeks after the fact

And they remained open, and are now having their lowest deaths since June. My point is that the CDC is essentially playing favorites while saying they are protecting us, but it's pretty hard to believe them right now.

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5 minutes ago, nate91 said:

And they remained open, and are now having their lowest deaths since June. My point is that the CDC is essentially playing favorites while saying they are protecting us, but it's pretty hard to believe them right now.

One employees an entire state, the other is a leisure activity. Go scroll back in reddit/las vegas, the citizens were pissed when they reopened,  and the workers did feel safe.

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3 minutes ago, CruisinForABruisin said:

One employees an entire state, the other is a leisure activity. Go scroll back in reddit/las vegas, the citizens were pissed when they reopened,  and the workers did feel safe.

Got it. I'm not going to argue over whether Vegas should or shouldn't have opened. It did, it is, and I used it as an anecdote to my point, not as the main point. Thanks for your input though!

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It's fair that the forum rules don't support political discussions and I can easily adhere to those rules but to think that this whole shut down is not at least as much political as it is health based would not pass the smell test.  The emerging stories, Royal hiring a Government Relations expert, the different port authorities making their comments heard, CLIA weighing in, even some other line's CEO's speaking out, it's all too much.  The writing is on the wall with what's actually happening and we can safely say that without weighing in on the actual politics of it.   

I know it doesn't change the fact we are all not sailing but it is a different type of frustration compared to just waiting for the health factors to be sorted out.  

 

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This will end up being a political decision.  The admin knows there are a lot of workers in FL who want to get back to, well, work. The CDC just wanted a blanket ban into 2021 with zero consideration for anything or reviewing the plans. The admin wants people back to work.  Announcing a return to sailing for 1st November is going to be a big deal.  I fully expect a decision in the next week that the no sail order ends on Oct 31.

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8 minutes ago, Scrumps said:

This will end up being a political decision.  The admin knows there are a lot of workers in FL who want to get back to, well, work. The CDC just wanted a blanket ban into 2021 with zero consideration for anything or reviewing the plans. The admin wants people back to work.  Announcing a return to sailing for 1st November is going to be a big deal.  I fully expect a decision in the next week that the no sail order ends on Oct 31.

I love your confidence! I really hope that you're right, as I would love to see cruises get started again. Most of all, I think we all seek some definitive answers, as in are November/December cruises happening or not?

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