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9 minutes ago, smokeybandit said:

Fauci's retirement isn't until the end of Biden's term.

 

14 minutes ago, twangster said:

I thought he was staying through midterms.  He isn't CDC either.  

Yes.   But who knows if he has internal clout anymore, especially as he's been out a while with the bug (with published set-backs).    When a controversial leader announces retirement, the underlings start jockeying  for notoriety and position.  Could be someone just pulling a trigger early.

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8 minutes ago, cruisellama said:

 

Yes.   But who knows if he has internal clout anymore, especially as he's been out a while with the bug (with published set-backs).    When a controversial leader announces retirement, the underlings start jockeying  for notoriety and position.  Could be someone just pulling a trigger early.

He isn't in tne reporting hiarchy of the CDC.  Different agency.  I've never heard him get deeply involved over cruise ships.  

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2 hours ago, Moby Dick said:

https://www.royalcaribbeanblog.com/2022/07/18/cdc-ends-covid-19-program-cruise-ships

 

BTW, I know this is brand new.  But, I just looked into Royal's FAQ and nothing has changed.  You'd think that they would be ready to go with this kind of change and just tap a computer button and there it is, their new policy/protocol that was probably written up days, weeks, months ago.  

Your desiring a LOT from the RC IT staff to have a change that fast!

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.....this is LONG LONG LONG OVERDUE.....a cruise line deciding today or tomorrow in relative time terms....is FAR from going fast.  This was inevitable and they could change it overnight.  We all could ink the press release.  Yes, it is that simple.  If a country only allows vax/tested....then individuals can prove it, or we can keep our precious and much needed $ on the ship.  RCCL can single out on my SeaPass whether I  have the drink package, what room I     have, a picture, etc..  They can certainly state vax/tested for those countries that need it.  Until then, take me to Coco Cay and keep the rest.

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1 hour ago, CharmMicah68 said:

.....this is LONG LONG LONG OVERDUE.....a cruise line deciding today or tomorrow in relative time terms....is FAR from going fast.  This was inevitable and they could change it overnight.  We all could ink the press release.  Yes, it is that simple.  If a country only allows vax/tested....then individuals can prove it, or we can keep our precious and much needed $ on the ship.  RCCL can single out on my SeaPass whether I  have the drink package, what room I     have, a picture, etc..  They can certainly state vax/tested for those countries that need it.  Until then, take me to Coco Cay and keep the rest.

Here here!

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4 hours ago, CruiseGus said:

A lot will depend on how all the Ports of Call now react to the news and any pressure that can be put on them by their peers to continue with their tourist economy 

these ports sure are not shutting the door on planes full of unvaccinated people flying to visit them. I think they will be fine. As long as the cruise ships just drop things slowly (1 mandate here then then next week another mandate dropped there. Just do it little by little.) won’t be a cause for panic. 

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1 hour ago, starbrat said:

these ports sure are not shutting the door on planes full of unvaccinated people flying to visit them. I think they will be fine. As long as the cruise ships just drop things slowly (1 mandate here then then next week another mandate dropped there. Just do it little by little.) won’t be a cause for panic. 

Exactly! These islands that have “vaccine mandates” have them for cruises only. You could fly into the Bahamas long ago without a vaccine. This is why people have long speculated that it really wasn’t the islands, it was the cruise industry that wanted the islands to keep it in place because they believed  the vast majority  of cruisers were pro vaccine and so therein the money lies…. I have no problem with a vaccine mandate… if the vaccine is proven to work like a vaccine is supposed to. We aren’t getting chicken pox and polio boosters every six months so that is a clear fact they those work and this one doesn’t. So reclassify it, call it a seasonal Covid shot just we have the  seasonal flu shot and treat it the same. 🤷🏻‍♀️

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15 hours ago, Moby Dick said:

https://www.royalcaribbeanblog.com/2022/07/18/cdc-ends-covid-19-program-cruise-ships

 

BTW, I know this is brand new.  But, I just looked into Royal's FAQ and nothing has changed.  You'd think that they would be ready to go with this kind of change and just tap a computer button and there it is, their new policy/protocol that was probably written up days, weeks, months ago.  

The CDC bows out on July 30.  ****TOTALLY WRONG******  The CDC terminated the voluntary program immediately.   MY BAD!!

You can bet they are all watching each other line's next move closely. 

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My first try was inaccurate!
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15 hours ago, twangster said:

I am envisioning a scene from an old Western movie where the cruise lines are standing around the O.K. Corral waiting to see who fires first.

They are nervously watching each other, waiting for a flinch.  

Once one cruise lines drops testing or vaccine requirements the others will quickly follow.  Who will flinch first?

 

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I say that Carnival will flinch first

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8 hours ago, Cruiser4Life said:

Exactly! These islands that have “vaccine mandates” have them for cruises only. You could fly into the Bahamas long ago without a vaccine. This is why people have long speculated that it really wasn’t the islands, it was the cruise industry that wanted the islands to keep it in place because they believed  the vast majority  of cruisers were pro vaccine and so therein the money lies…. I have no problem with a vaccine mandate… if the vaccine is proven to work like a vaccine is supposed to. We aren’t getting chicken pox and polio boosters every six months so that is a clear fact they those work and this one doesn’t. So reclassify it, call it a seasonal Covid shot just we have the  seasonal flu shot and treat it the same. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Actually it is the Islands that are requiring this.  While you can visit the Bahamas unvaccinated if you are flying you still must present a negative covid test taken within 72 hours of your arrival. Many of these islands are no longer requiring airlines to check and verify documentation but your documentation (vax card or test results) will be checked upon arrival in the Bahamas and the Bahamas according to their website can refuse entry to unvaccinated individuals if they believe there are issues with the documentation or if they think you have covid. Other islands in the Caribbean have similar policies in place.  

Jamaica also updated their policy on July 5, 2022, they no longer require unvaccinated individuals to present any covid test to enter Jamaica however it isn't a free for all or business as usual.  Jamaica has warned unvaccinated individuals who choose to travel to their country if you should test positive you will be required (not optional) to quarantine for 10 days at a government quarantine facility.  You may be released from quarantine to travel home but only if the medical officer at the facility signs off on your release and the destination country allows covid positive individuals to travel.

St Maarten another popular destination also allows unvaccinated individuals to fly into their country.  In addition to presenting a negative covid test taken no more than 72 hours prior to arrival, all unvaccinated guest flying into St. Maarten must purchase (prior to arrival) covid-19 insurance it is mandatory and will be checked upon arrival in St Maarten.  In addition to having covid-19 insurance and a negative test, unvaccinated travelers will be tested (at their own expense) at the airport upon arrival and must quarantine in their hotel room until the results of that test come back.

I could go on and on about the restrictions still in place in the Caribbean for those who are unvaccinated.  The responsibility to check this documentation should have never rested on the shoulders of the airlines but just because airlines have been removed from the equation does not mean they've flung the doors open to those who are unvaccinated.

Having said that I do think the pre-cruise testing requirement will go away by the fall at the latest.  If you're expecting cruise lines to drop the vaccine requirement I've always stated I think that requirement will remain in place through the end of this year. 

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16 hours ago, twangster said:

I am envisioning a scene from an old Western movie where the cruise lines are standing around the O.K. Corral waiting to see who fires first.

They are nervously watching each other, waiting for a flinch.  

Once one cruise lines drops testing or vaccine requirements the others will quickly follow.  Who will flinch first?

 

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My bet would be Carnival 

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