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I think they are choosing this route to get back to cruising fast without test cruises.

They can also require a vaccine in Washington for the Alaska cruises without requiring one for Florida. Each ship can be different.

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32 minutes ago, SteveinSC said:

Since, it seems, RC will be requiring proof of vaccination in your documents, I guess that means no cruises out of Florida? Am I missing something? 

During a travel agent call with Celebrity this question was asked.. They basically said they are going to leave from Florida and they don't have to listen to that law.. Maybe they have lawyers who advised them they don't have to listen to the Governor thank god. But they said they will be leaving from Florida 

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46 minutes ago, smokeybandit said:

I'm 99.9% sure RC will sail out of Florida with its vaccine policy.

I agree with this @smokeybandit. What distrubes me is that if RCG knows they can sail out of FL per @AGSLC5 then why don't they say so? Why doesn't the Governor clear this up by saying his no proof of vaccination policy does not apply to the cruise lines? I think it's pretty clear cruiselines will not be subject to the Desantis no proof of vaccination requied when sailing from FL ports.  

So, tell us that in clear an uncertain terms. Instead there's nothing in writing. Cruisers, businesses that rely on the revenue crusiers bring to town, port service providers are all asking this question. The fog of uncertainty, the tittilating slow release of critical information by RCG seems to me to be unnecessary.

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27 minutes ago, JeffB said:

I agree with this @smokeybandit. What distrubes me is that if RCG knows they can sail out of FL per @AGSLC5 then why don't they say so? Why doesn't the Governor clear this up by saying his no proof of vaccination policy does not apply to the cruise lines? I think it's pretty clear cruiselines will not be subject to the Desantis no proof of vaccination requied when sailing from FL ports.  

So, tell us that in clear an uncertain terms. Instead there's nothing in writing. Cruisers, businesses that rely on the revenue crusiers bring to town, port service providers are all asking this question. The fog of uncertainty, the tittilating slow release of critical information by RCG seems to me to be unnecessary.

I'm with you, but I think in reality, they're all trying to work together so no one comes out looking worse than they have to. DeSantis can't just back off his policy like that without re-election repercussions. The cruises need to balance looking like they're cooperating with the CDC. The CDC has to appear that it's taking the hard line, conservative approach that it wants to be know for. 

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2 hours ago, JeffB said:

I agree with this @smokeybandit. What distrubes me is that if RCG knows they can sail out of FL per @AGSLC5 then why don't they say so? Why doesn't the Governor clear this up by saying his no proof of vaccination policy does not apply to the cruise lines? I think it's pretty clear cruiselines will not be subject to the Desantis no proof of vaccination requied when sailing from FL ports.  

So, tell us that in clear an uncertain terms. Instead there's nothing in writing. Cruisers, businesses that rely on the revenue crusiers bring to town, port service providers are all asking this question. The fog of uncertainty, the tittilating slow release of critical information by RCG seems to me to be unnecessary.

Royal's travel agent call is this week.. I think they will be making a very similar announcement to travel agents that Celebrity did..  I also think during the travel agent call this week they will make the official announcement of when they will be able to sail from the USA. I am excited and I hope they will start sailing from USA in July!!! 

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Here's the big But....

Each port has to have it's own health and safety plan in place and that's at the discretion of the state (FLORIDA) to approve. The local news reports I'm seeing state that's where Gov DeSantis may hold things up. They won't be able to sail in or out of the port with a vaccine mandate (state) and won't be able to sail at all without a vaccine mandate (federal).

I live in Brevard County FL (Port Canaveral), so it's a thing in the news here. There is no indication that this governor will change his position, if the past year is any indication.

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Click on the RCCL home page link labeled Health and Travel Alerts at the top of the page and see if you find any mention of the change to the vaccination policy!  Where is it buried you ask?  In the FAQs for what you should know before you book.  I guess they don’t think it’s worthy of an “Alert.”   Particularly if you’re already booked.  They have truly botched this on a major league level.  I am personally furious and I’m rethinking whether this is a cruise line I would ever consider using in the future.

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28 minutes ago, Tarheel0907 said:

i just dont know how you can require a Vaccine to cruise, no other vacation spot does this....june 1st Vegas is going back to Pre Covid. you cant survive on vaccinated people only.... there isnt enough people vaccinated 

There are plenty of vacation spots all over the world with vaccine requirements. 

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30 minutes ago, Tarheel0907 said:

i just dont know how you can require a Vaccine to cruise, no other vacation spot does this....june 1st Vegas is going back to Pre Covid. you cant survive on vaccinated people only.... there isnt enough people vaccinated 

Vegas doesn’t need the blessing of the CDC to open back up. 
 

In addition, a few dozen cases in Vegas will be no big deal.  A few cases on a cruise ship will be a catastrophe. 

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10 minutes ago, steverk said:

I received this in my email about the Adventure of the seas.

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Seems pretty clear to me that vaccine will be required for that sailing at a minimum

Vaccine was required at time of booking for that one. 

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48 minutes ago, Tarheel0907 said:

i just dont know how you can require a Vaccine to cruise, no other vacation spot does this....june 1st Vegas is going back to Pre Covid. you cant survive on vaccinated people only.... there isnt enough people vaccinated 

I just booked Alaska for this coming season and there was an alert at top of the booking page saying required proof of vaccination, if i remember was also in statement before clicking for paying deposit.

I for one am darn glad they are requiring it makes me feel even safer.

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2 hours ago, Tarheel0907 said:

i just dont know how you can require a Vaccine to cruise

Because the cruise industry is held to a double standard.

The general public thinks of cruise ships and instantly thinks of:

  • Covid on Diamond Princess
  • Covid on Grand Princess
  • Covid on Ruby Princess
  • Icebergs
  • Carnival poop cruise

It's obviously not fair, but this is the world we live in. And when there is one case (turned out to be a false positive), it makes big headlines.

When there's a covid case elsewhere, it doesnt garner much, if any, attention.

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9 hours ago, SteveinSC said:

Since, it seems, RC will be requiring proof of vaccination in your documents, I guess that means no cruises out of Florida? Am I missing something? 

In Florida Department of Health's responses to RC's request the department stated Florida has limited statute authority with respect to cruise ships and it does not need to give its permission for cruising to resume from the stat of Florida.  However the state officials went a step further and stated nothing in state law stands in the way of cruise ship operations.  This information was also on the homepage on this blog site. 

 

When I first read the response I  immediately thought about DeSantis's new law banning vaccine passports and I wondered if the statement from the Florida Department of Health could also be applied to the law banning vaccine passports?  I don't see Royal abandoning the Florida market so it would seem as if Florida's new law does not apply to cruise ships.

Although I'm fully vaccinated I'm hoping this requirement is temporary and will fade away by late 2021 or January of 2022.  Should cruising resume in this country in July I 100% understand why cruise lines are now onboard with requiring most passengers be fully vaccinated.  There will be an immense amount of scrutiny on the cruise industry once sailings resume, they can't afford to have an outbreak on any ship.  Right now public opinion is with the cruise industry, even people who are part of the never cruisers understand how unfairly the cruise industry has been treated.  No other industry has been shut down do to COVID except the cruise industry so public opinion is on the cruise industries side because a lot of people are seeing this as government over reach by the CDC.  But it would only take one COVID outbreak on a ship to turn the tide against the cruise industry, and if there is another shut down I'm not sure this industry will survive.

 

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10 minutes ago, Matt said:

Because the cruise industry is held to a double standard.

The general public thinks of cruise ships and instantly thinks of:

  • Covid on Diamond Princess
  • Covid on Grand Princess
  • Covid on Ruby Princess
  • Icebergs
  • Carnival poop cruise

It's obviously not fair, but this is the world we live in. And when there is one case (turned out to be a false positive), it makes big headlines.

When there's a covid case elsewhere, it doesnt garner much, if any, attention.

It's too bad the Carnival Triumph was remembered for the geysers of feces.

The same cruise also featured a total loss of power, so besides being stranded there was no power and therefore no cooking.  For days.

 

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3 hours ago, Tarheel0907 said:

i just dont know how you can require a Vaccine to cruise, no other vacation spot does this

No other vacation spot can abruptly end your vacation because of an outbreak:

"If a certain threshold level of COVID-19 is detected onboard the ship during your voyage, the voyage will end immediately, the ship will return to the port of embarkation, and your subsequent travel, including your return home, may be restricted or delayed."

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Disappointed but not surprised.  I am not an anti vaxer but this seems like an unnecessary vaccine for teenagers where the risk is extremely low.  I am not comfortable vaccinating my kids. Many feel differently and many feel the same.  For those that feel differently a suite on Symphony in August will open up on Monday as I will be canceling. This was a rebook of our cancelled April 2020 cruise.  For me it is time for a refund. Looks like we won't be cruising for awhile.  For those who are vaccinated enjoy getting back to the open seas.  Tip extra if you can, those poor souls have been out of work for over a year! 

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