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Smart casual implies something like business casual. Do you wear shorts to the office?

On our cruise earlier this month, on formal nights the NO SHORTS IN THE DINING ROOM was in large bold print.

I never saw shorts in the dining room except on the first and last night when clothes were packed.

 

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It depends upon whether you want to address appropriately or not.  For dinner in the MDR or specialty restaurants, shorts aren't considered appropriate.  I agree with the advice to wear long pants and a collared shirt.  What you choose to do is up to you, but even on vacation it's best not to be selfish, to consider the norms because it affects the experience of the other guests (like folks who want a romantic dinner for two in a nice environment).  That said, there are always extenuating circumstance. When we lost our luggage and couldn't dress "formal", we notified our waiter in advance and he said "no problem".   So we enjoyed the nicer menu of MDR instead of eating at the WJ.  Happily, our suitcases arrived by day 4.

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11 hours ago, av3206 said:

It says smart casual does does that mean long pants or can I wear nice shorts?

I would never wear shorts to the MDR, but that's just me. Like wise I would never dictate to others, what they should or shouldn't wear. Nice shorts and a collared shirt would suffice. Personally, how somebody else dresses, doesn't affect the enjoyment of my meal. 

If people feel that it should be mandatory that people dress up for dinner,  I say they are probably on the wrong cruise line. There are cruise lines out that there that dictate such attire.

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I wear hiking pants with zip off leggings.  Shorts by day, long pants for MDR and back to shorts in the evening with nothing but a zip on each leg.  

Good from far.  Good enough with a collared shirt to look dressed up enough while keeping my suitcase light.  

I like them for flying as well.  Planes can be cool but when I land in hot, humid Florida the legs come off and instant shorts.  

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I used to dress up for dinner. Not anymore. If the cruise compass says casual that's exactly what I do I dress in shorts. If it says formal then I put on my pants.. No one has EVER asked me to leave any specialty restaurant or dining room on casual nights when I wear shorts. I wouldn't do it on formal night but if it says casual why not be comfortable.. I know its not in the rules but RC does a horrible job of ENFORCING their rules.. Maybe on Liberty as someone mentioned they do but I have been on Majesty, Enchantment, Vision, Mariner, Navigator, Independence, Oasis, Allure, Quantum, Anthem, Harmony, and Symphony for a total of 52 cruises and never had an issue wearing my shorts on casual nights. 

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9 minutes ago, AGSLC5 said:

 No one has EVER asked me to leave any specialty restaurant or dining room on casual nights when I wear shorts.  I know its not in the rules but RC does a horrible job of ENFORCING their rules.

To paraphrase Capt. Barbosa from Pirates of the Caribbean, "it's more of a guideline, than a rule."

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I was with friends on Liberty in Jan and we ate at specialty restaurants three times. They wore shorts. Even on formal nights. I didn’t like it. But I kept my mouth shut. Too casual for me.

But nobody said anything to them.

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Pack one pair of lightweight pressed khakis. You may not wear them but they're good to have if something comes up or a mood strikes you. You know you'll already have a shirt or two that goes with them.

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Again, it's not about rules.  It is about being sensitive to the other guests.  RCI does a good job of preparing multiple venues for multiple interests, needs, and wants.  It's a shame when you want to take your significant other or family or friend to a nice restaurant and other guests think they're at the pool deck.  It is just self-centered to ignore the expectations of others when they are so well publicized, with the exception of extenuating circumstances.  I am all for casual because I'm retired, but I also try to think about the other guests.  This is why social norms come into play, not structured rules.  Having lost my luggage, I can understand some situations, but I'd have to agree that we could all (myself included) practice more sensitivity on the next cruise.  I am probably preaching to the choir, but social norms are more than rules (which can be arbitrary and discriminatory)--- there is some underlying basis for suggested attire and social customs.  And the caribbean is a lot more laid back than Europe...

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1 hour ago, ChessE4 said:

This is why social norms come into play, not structured rules.  <snip> I am probably preaching to the choir, but social norms are more than rules (which can be arbitrary and discriminatory)--- there is some underlying basis for suggested attire and social customs.  And the caribbean is a lot more laid back than Europe...

Where I disagree with you, it that I feel the social norm has already changed.  Shorts are acceptable dress in nice restaurants where I live (Chicago area) and I would agree the Caribbean is more laid back.  So I see no reason to only wear pants.

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2 hours ago, ChessE4 said:

Again, it's not about rules.  It is about being sensitive to the other guests.  RCI does a good job of preparing multiple venues for multiple interests, needs, and wants.  It's a shame when you want to take your significant other or family or friend to a nice restaurant and other guests think they're at the pool deck.  It is just self-centered to ignore the expectations of others when they are so well publicized, with the exception of extenuating circumstances.  I am all for casual because I'm retired, but I also try to think about the other guests.  This is why social norms come into play, not structured rules.  Having lost my luggage, I can understand some situations, but I'd have to agree that we could all (myself included) practice more sensitivity on the next cruise.  I am probably preaching to the choir, but social norms are more than rules (which can be arbitrary and discriminatory)--- there is some underlying basis for suggested attire and social customs.  And the caribbean is a lot more laid back than Europe...

I respectfully disagree with you. I agree with Atlantix it is now very socially acceptable to wear shorts to a nice restaurant. I do this all the time and see many others in the restaurant doing this.. I highly doubt the ones not dressed in shorts are thinking gee I am here with my friends or family and I am really upset people are wearing shorts.. I just really don't think thats the case. And if its the case for you I don't really understand it. Why focus on me and what I am wearing I always sit at a private table so I am not bothering anyone. I just personally on casual nights don't feel the need to take my shorts off. I don't understand why that would effect your experience. At a nice restaurant if someone is wearing shorts does that really bother you? Do you really notice? I honestly care more about the people I am with and talking, laughing, and having a good time with than strangers wearing shorts.. Again not trying to attack you and you are of course entitled to your opinion but I just really don't get it.. Plus everyone has different circumstances.. I have a disability and it causes me to have sensory issues and honestly shorts are the most comfortable thing for me to wear. Now I know on formal nights I have to bite the bullet and be uncomfortable for 2 hours and I do it.. But on casual nights why should I sit and suffer just because it offends some random stranger that I am wearing shorts? I guess I will never really understand this but oh well like I said you are of course entitled to your opinion and I respect that I just respectfully disagree. 

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Hi,

I like to dress up since I'm a housewife and I do not have many opportunities to look pretty. For me, a cruise is a romantic place where all family members can look at their best and take beautiful pictures for posterity. We own a gorgeous family picture taken on a cruise 9 years ago… I also like to look at all those elegant people, it reminds me of long-past balls, I feel a bit like a princess!

However, not everybody in my family thinks the same. My 21 year old DD does not like fancy dressing. My 9 year old DD does, I bought her 2 nice dresses for the occasion, but she doesn't like formal pictures. And my men do not want to play the game at all. 

My DS, 18, does not want pictures of him to be taken. He does not even own any long pants apart from jeans, I got him a black levi's khaki. And my DH wears suits all year-round for work, so for him suit = work, he is on holiday, he wants to relax and be comfortable. Moreover, he's a bit… overweight… so he feels uncomfortable in suits and tie, especially for eating. Thus, he makes an effort to wear long pants and a polo shirt on formal nights, in order to "fit in" and please me, but that would be it.

I agree that formal night is part of the game and people should make an effort on those days, in consideration for others. But it is also THEIR vacation, they want to enjoy it their way. After all, every guest pays for their cruise. Wearing long pants and a polo shirt instead of a tuxedo is not being rude to anyone. I think.

 

 

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A couple of things having read through this post.

Europe is not always more “formal” - wearing smart, tailored shorts is acceptable at work nowadays. I work for a large multinational company who do not bat an eyelid at tailored shorts. As does my partner at another large company who don’t mind that he (and others) wear shorts to work as long.

As a poster above said, if I am on holiday or eating out at a restaurant at home, I’m more focussed on enjoying time with those I am with than other people’s legs.

People are on holiday in a hot country (countries in this case) and don’t want to overheat in trousers, just in case their calves might offend someone.

If calves and knees put people off their meal, should women not be covering up their legs in their entirety too? Sounds like the Victorian times when flashing an ankle was considered a scandal! 

All the above aside, I am thoroughly looking forward to dressing up on formal nights! On one of which I am wearing a knee length dress. More scandal or is that allowed I wonder...

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Style and etiquette do not always see eye to eye since both are based on geographical social norms. I was brought up where men do not wear hats inside, especially at the dinner table. Social norms for others include wearing your pants almost to your knees. I guess you could wear your base ball cap and pants backwards if it suits you and if you don't care what other people think. Wearing shorts at formal tea with Queen of England would most likely not be allowed. At a formal dinner onboard, wearing shorts might be considered a faux pas in some eyes but again, if you don't care what some people think, go for it.

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We always do smart casual and then nicer/fancier stuff for formal nights.  We do "dress up" fancy as a rule so we make it fun for us and get some good family pictures in the process.  That being said, what everyone else wears has no baring on my experience at dinner and once they sit down - no one will know that they have shorts or pants on at that point. 

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I used to take sport jacket with me but gave it up as it takes too much space and whatever I can save in weight is going out (now days with the extra payment for suitcase if flying). 

I will take with me dress pants and few dress shirts for official night.

Just came back from a cruise in Europe  , short pants were very common .

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I also feel it depends on the kind of cruise you are having.. I am a gambler and I go on many cruises just me and my best friend. Our goal is to eat and then get back to the casino to get a good spot at the black jack table.. However we are also foodies and not a fan of windjammer so we eat in all restaurants.. Like I stated before we wear shorts except on formal night where we put on pants and thats the kind of cruise we want.. However once a year my boyfriends family takes us on a "family cruise" all 16 of us. When we are on that cruise we must dress for dinner everynight to the point that I literally have to go shopping just for cruise clothes.. But I know going into that cruise what I have to do and so my point is I think it depends on the kind of cruise your having. Maybe your just with a best friend and you want to be super casual or maybe it is a big family cruise where you need to be more formal for pictures and all that.. All I am saying is I don't understand why other people care what others are wearing on casual nights everyone has a different circumstance and I think we should all just try and focus on our own vacations and do what's right for us. 

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23 hours ago, Mljstr said:

Smart casual implies something like business casual. Do you wear shorts to the office?

On our cruise earlier this month, on formal nights the NO SHORTS IN THE DINING ROOM was in large bold print.

I never saw shorts in the dining room except on the first and last night when clothes were packed.

 

I wear scrubs in the office. Could I wear them as that is my business casual... Oh by the way...with or without bodily fluids??

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Some folks are going to be sensitive to others, some aren't.  It is your choice.  Perhaps think about what your parents or teachers might say -- are you acting like the person you want to become?    When I was a teen and a young man, I accidentally offended people I cared about because I didn't fully understand social conventions.  I choose not to do that now, when I am aware of my surroundings.   That is all I am saying.  On any cruise, some guests will err towards being self-centered and others to being more sensitive of others, knowing they are from diverse backgrounds.  No one is denying anyone rights to dress as they please - that is not the point. 

Everyone who has posted has a valid feeling or perception.  I just ask that you think about others, since we don't always see a lot of that in the social media or certain TV networks.

 

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