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Testing onboard is working. 2 Passengers on CelebrityMillennium test positive.


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9 hours ago, Nacho Libre said:

If they don’t clean up their act pronto on this testing nonsense, I’m just gonna cancel for March and eat the deposit,  let someone else deal with the headache,

I would not cancel a March 2022 cruise based on what's going on now.  If current reporting is to be believed most Caribbean Islands are ramping up their vaccine roll outs.  The islands with the highest vaccination rate at 60% of the population in the Caribbean are the Cayman Islands but they have banned cruise ship until 2022. The next three islands are Anguilla at 40% then Turks and Caicos at 31%, and finally British Virgin Islands at 26%.  All other islands including the Bahamas and Jamaica are below 24%.  While over in Mexico and Central America, Mexico leads with just 15% of their population being vaccinated. However all of these cruise destinations with-in the Caribbean, Mexico, and Central America are ramping up their roll out as more vaccine becomes available so we should see much higher vaccination rate come of March 2022. 

I wouldn't cancel the cruise right now, instead I would suggest you wait until final payment is due and if it looks like cruise lines are still performing COVID testing during the voyage as that date nears then you make your decision. Don't make a decision based on what you are seeing right now because things will get better as time goes on.

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12 hours ago, Nacho Libre said:

If they don’t clean up their act pronto on this testing nonsense, I’m just gonna cancel for March and eat the deposit,  let someone else deal with the headache,

I share your angst.  I'm guessing there will be a change when the CSO extinguishes (our trips are scheduled after that).  Can you wait for lifting of the CSO?  Might end up short cut with an injunction.

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3 hours ago, smokeybandit said:

 

This is great news especially for people who are vaccinated because even if you come into contact with a COVID positive person or the cruise deems you've been in close contact with a positive person its doesn't mean the cruise is over if you are fully vaccinated.  Contrast that with the MSC where 2 passengers tested positive but with a totally different outcome.

In both cases the protocols worked but in two entirely different ways, for fully vaccinated (Celebrity) your cruise vacation can continue once you test negative, but in the case of MSC even though according to USToday only 2 passengers tested positive they are reporting MSC removed not only the to positive passengers but their families which tested negative as well as people deemed in close contact even though they all tested negative except for the two original passengers. The reason MSC took these extraordinary steps and removed all those passengers was because none of them were vaccinated.  

The protocols worked in both cases but I'm sure the people on MSC who were deemed in close contact (not members of the family or part of their traveling party) were not happy that their cruise vacation was cut short.  But because they were unvaccinated and the cruise line didn't want to risk it by allowing them to remain onboard.  

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On 6/11/2021 at 10:13 AM, CruiseRoyalDad said:

I can see the headline now "Covid not the only threat to the newly restarted Cruise industry...old foes such as NORO rear their ugly heads on the at sea petri dishes". Enter CDC. (End Scene 1). 

It's already happening elsewhere! Read a story headlined something like "New respiratory virus overtaking the South. Here's what you need to know."

It was talking about RSV. You know, the spectre that haunts parents of young children every flu and cold season. The most plausible explanation for it taking off right now is that it's spreading among adults (who are usually exposed every year or so, and it is nothing more than a week long nuisance) who have lost some immunity to it. The more adults who get it directly results in more children getting it, and thus more hospital admissions due to RSV.

Another fun tidbit from the article that made me want to scream: the reporter attributed the rise in cases to "not wearing masks, and dropping social distancing measures". While technically true, it kind of glosses over the reality that the root cause is a disruption in the adult immunity that children depend on for a virus with no vaccine or easily administered treatments... A disruption caused by the measures they're trying to say saved children from the disease until now.

I have never had faith the cruise lines would be treated fairly in the media, no matter if they had a near perfect track record with regard to COVID onboard. Every day we concede to operating within needless guidelines, we make it harder to get back to normal.

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43 minutes ago, LizzyBee23 said:

It's already happening elsewhere! Read a story headlined something like "New respiratory virus overtaking the South. Here's what you need to know."

It was talking about RSV. You know, the spectre that haunts parents of young children every flu and cold season. The most plausible explanation for it taking off right now is that it's spreading among adults (who are usually exposed every year or so, and it is nothing more than a week long nuisance) who have lost some immunity to it. The more adults who get it directly results in more children getting it, and thus more hospital admissions due to RSV.

Another fun tidbit from the article that made me want to scream: the reporter attributed the rise in cases to "not wearing masks, and dropping social distancing measures". While technically true, it kind of glosses over the reality that the root cause is a disruption in the adult immunity that children depend on for a virus with no vaccine or easily administered treatments... A disruption caused by the measures they're trying to say saved children from the disease until now.

I have never had faith the cruise lines would be treated fairly in the media, no matter if they had a near perfect track record with regard to COVID onboard. Every day we concede to operating within needless guidelines, we make it harder to get back to normal.

IMO - Because it's  painted by media as an industry of excess conspicuous consumption.  The optics of fine dining, availability of mass quantities of adult beverages with little umbrellas by a pool, hoards of drunk spring breakers, and large ships spewing  dark exhaust is a political target.   Even though the cruise industry actually provides one of the most cost effective methods to providing meals, lodging, entertainment, and wide opportunity for touring to people with or without families.  Top it off with those who have no knowledge of the industry making lame accusations about ships being dirty floating petrie dishes.   Cruising has become one of the most maligned industries - some due to ignorance (some peoples only knowledge comes from watching Titanic and the Love Boat), but recently, amplified as result of the pandemic which furthers some political agenda.

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1 hour ago, LizzyBee23 said:

It's already happening elsewhere! Read a story headlined something like "New respiratory virus overtaking the South. Here's what you need to know."

It was talking about RSV. You know, the spectre that haunts parents of young children every flu and cold season. The most plausible explanation for it taking off right now is that it's spreading among adults (who are usually exposed every year or so, and it is nothing more than a week long nuisance) who have lost some immunity to it. The more adults who get it directly results in more children getting it, and thus more hospital admissions due to RSV.

Another fun tidbit from the article that made me want to scream: the reporter attributed the rise in cases to "not wearing masks, and dropping social distancing measures". While technically true, it kind of glosses over the reality that the root cause is a disruption in the adult immunity that children depend on for a virus with no vaccine or easily administered treatments... A disruption caused by the measures they're trying to say saved children from the disease until now.

I have never had faith the cruise lines would be treated fairly in the media, no matter if they had a near perfect track record with regard to COVID onboard. Every day we concede to operating within needless guidelines, we make it harder to get back to normal.


Covid had this peculiar effect of "viral interference" which shut down the flu and pretty much all common cold viruses except rhinovirus. My son was in school full time all year, and kids 10 and under didn't have to wear masks. There were barely any cold bugs going around, and zero flu. It was amazing (other than the shadow of covid)

Now the cold virus is coming back and it's freaking people out because they forget what it's like to have the common cold.

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5 hours ago, smokeybandit said:


Covid had this peculiar effect of "viral interference" which shut down the flu and pretty much all common cold viruses except rhinovirus. My son was in school full time all year, and kids 10 and under didn't have to wear masks. There were barely any cold bugs going around, and zero flu. It was amazing (other than the shadow of covid)

Now the cold virus is coming back and it's freaking people out because they forget what it's like to have the common cold.

Yes, it’s comical to think the flu just disappeared because of the use of masks. Just before the flu disappeared, we were told about the double effect of flu and Covid.

Yes, the reason the flu was a non factor was indeed viral interference. But, come next flu season, there will be those who will push for masks on children again because they don’t understand correlation and causation and it will not stop the flu. 
 

 

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...... best place as any to post this. I'm a geek about this stuff but to me it's fascinating. There's been this ongoing debate here about why cruise ships appear to be treated much differently by the CD than other venues by folks who think they aren't really that different. They are. 

This is an early release study dated July 2021 on a cruise ship that sailed from Piraeus (Athens) on March 20th, 2020. It was an unnamed, 2,500-passenger and 1,606-bed capacity with 33 crew members that sailed from Piraeus, Greece, to Cesme, Turkey, where an additional 350 crew members embarked on March 8, 2020. For 21 days, the ship sailed without any disembarkations or embarkations until the first suspected coronavirus disease (COVID-19) case was reported to the health authority of the Piraeus port on March 28, 2020. 

The Title of the study:COVID-19 Outbreak on a Passenger Ship and Assessment of Response Measures, Greece, 2020. I'd offer the CDC may have a purpose for releasing this early study right now. Ya think? 

Abstract

We describe response measures to an outbreak involving 128 (33.4%) coronavirus disease cases (46.1% asymptomatic) among 383 persons onboard a passenger ship. Multivariate analysis indicated that dining in certain rooms and bar areas, nationality, working department (for crew members), and quarantining onboard the ship were significantly associated with infection.

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/27/7/21-0398_article

 

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