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Considerations in and the Interest Level for Sailing in June with RCL (Bahamas) or Celebrity (St. Maartin).


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I have a Celebrity Cruise booked out of PEV June 13th on Equinox. Once optimistic, given the CDC's foot dragging, I'm about 90% certain it won't sail. I'm ready to sail ..... RIGHT NOW. I'm hugely frustrated over events in Europe involving the chaos that has been vaccine procurement and distribution by the EUC (YES!!!! to Boris on Brexit!!!) and the stupidity of postponing vaccinating EU citizens over fears of blood clots (resumed in most EU countries now). I thought Europe would lead the way back to cruising. Nope. Screwed that one up! And I also have a Celebrity cruise booked out of Amsterdam on Reflection 

So, sure, I could get to the Bahamas or St. Maartin pretty easily from FTL or MIA but we've decided not to try to book. These are my thoughts:

  • We are spoiled living a 10 minute Uber ride to PEV. In our cruising life since 2001, we've endured flying to and from airports serving cruise ports world wide. The older we got (both in our 70s), the less we liked that part. Why do I want to do that, go through the additional hassle imposed by coming and goings in foreign airports imposed by local health authorities for COVID and mess with transport/bags to and from the port?
  • Knowing how things work, initial sailings aren't going to go off without a hitch. Let some of the bugs get worked out without involving us.
  • Regardless of the global decline in new cases, deaths, serious illness, SARS-2 is still out there. Risks of catching it is not zero, nor do I expect it to be but out of the gate how RCL and Celebrity along with local health authorities deal with just one positive test (accurate or not) occurring on board a vessel is going to something to carefully watch.
  • A case of COVID on a vessel will very likely produce chaos, result in over-reactions at all levels and will become an event ripe for hand-wringing and pearl-clutching from multiple agencies. The MSM will augment this, LOUDLY as in, "we told you so." Do we want to be involved in that chaos? No.

Look, I'm itching to cruise. I hate it that we've been banned from cruising, unfairly, for over a year, by a federal agency telling me what I can and can't do for the good of the public's health with all of their advice on that being suspect from the Pandemic's outset. Wondering what others are willing or unwilling to put up with now that RCL and Celebrity are going to actually cruise.  Your turn.

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39 minutes ago, JeffB said:

 I thought Europe would lead the way back to cruising. Nope. Screwed that one up! 

Got as far as here and after that everything was a blur! Simply because i kept on thinking about the MSC ship thats been cruising the med with passengers since last year! Costa and Aida ships as well with no issues  ( well apart from the passengers that got kicked off cruise for not following procedures) 

Yet WE in Europe screwed it up!

 

Maybe you could enlighten me with how you come to that conclusion 

 

TYIA 

Ps how many NA cruises right now? Oh thats right none and if you want to cruise you will have to travel to Europe or Caribbean 

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If the price of the Bahamas cruise is similar to my current July cruise (in which I'm paying a ton more for a cruise than I ever have, even with the 125% FCC applied), then I'm switching to the Bahamas. I do not trust one bit that cruising from American ports will happen in July.

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In a month's time we'll know if spring break travel and opening up in general contributes to a 3rd wave or not. 

If a spike up does occur the CDC will smugly continue to kill cruising.   If no 3rd wave the CDC will drag it on a little more but eventually have to let it go and allow cruising.  

If the 3rd wave occurs the CDC can try to make international air travel so arduous that few will desire to try.   That will impact these attempts to cruise from new homeports.

I'm going to wait and see what happens with America over the next 30 days.  

The only thing the CDC can control is cruise ships so like a dog with a favorite bone only the dog's master should try to wrestle the bone from the dog.  Anyone else will be bitten.  

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32 minutes ago, twangster said:

The only thing the CDC can control is cruise ships so like a dog with a favorite bone only the dog's master should try to wrestle the bone from the dog.  Everyone else will be bitten.  

Yes, in a strictly literal sense but, the CDC carries a lot of weight and when Walenski takes to the airwaves and starts spouting non-sense that can easily be shown to be unsupported by the COVID data I become alarmed and more and more distrustful of her and the CDC. For example, hospitalizations and deaths - a true measure of disease burden about which we should be rightly concerned - continues to decline. This gets short shrift. Instead we get the same reliance on case numbers presented without context or without regard to the highly regional nature and risk correlation with age as the CDC's single measure of risk of infection.

I am told they do this because the American public isn't smart enough to understand the importance of context with regard to pandemic information reporting. We can't assess risk, only the government can. How reliable has their COVID advice been in the past? I'm no longer trusting it or paying any attention to it ...... but that doesn't mean Joe Biden or Congress or local public health officials aren't.

In the current pandemic and the public health emergency it has crated, government has intervened in our lives in unprecedented ways. What the US government through the CDC and other involved agencies has done to a supposed free market travel and leisure industry, to include the cruise lines, rings the gong warning Americans about the dangers of creeping government control. The risk is much wider spread than just for cruise ships alone. JMO, YMMV.       

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25 minutes ago, twangster said:

In a month's time we'll know if spring break travel and opening up in general contributes to a 3rd wave or not. 

If a spike up does occur the CDC will smugly continue to kill cruising.   If no 3rd wave the CDC will drag it on a little more but eventually have to let it go and allow cruising.  

If the 3rd wave occurs the CDC can try to make international air travel so arduous that few will desire to try.   That will impact these attempts to cruise from new homeports.

I'm going to wait and see what happens with America over the next 30 days.  

The only thing the CDC can control is cruise ships so like a dog with a favorite bone only the dog's master should try to wrestle the bone from the dog.  Anyone else will be bitten.  

We're still waiting for the surges from last spring break, 4th of July, Thanksgiving, Christmas, Super Bowl, etc, etc. But most certainly the perceived fear of event-driven surges and variants (which haven't shown to be that big of a deal in the countries they're named after) will definitely be used and abused by the CDC

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I think the thing @JeffB did not consider is it's (theoretically) a ship full of inoculated people, minus of course the minors.

Many of your conclusions would make a lot of sense a couple of months ago when we were talking about cruises sailing on health protocols alone.

With most vaccinated, and I anticipate a host of protocols in place (masks, social distancing, etc), I don't come to the same conclusion you have.

Don't forget, they've been operating for months already with Quantum of the Seas without any vaccines.

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Let’s all stick to the topic of this thread, which I am assuming is the interest level of sailing out of the Bahamas this summer.
 

Let’s not turn this into a thread where we are criticizing or judging other countries for their vaccine rollout or question why their government did what they did. 
 

The way I see it, the bottom line is that we are all frustrated on some level regardless of what country we are from. We all want to get back to cruising. But no amount of criticism, or playing the would have, should have, could have game is going to change any of the decisions that our governments have already made, nor will it speed up the rollout of vaccines in different parts of the world. Nor will it get us back to cruising sooner so the discussion is quite pointless. 
 

Stick to the thread topic, are you interested in sailing out of the Bahamas or not? All other discussions belong on some other forum. Not here.

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I’m considering cruising out of Bahamas if July and August are cancelled in America. I’m booked for July but will try to push for august if July is cancelled. But I don’t want to be one of the first cruise boats,I do see chaos as a strong possibility until kinks are ironed out. But yes frustrating. And flying to the port equals 5 round trip airline tickets! Ugh!

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I'd happily sail out of the Bahamas if I could afford it. Sadly, the more I think about how much Royal is likely to be charging for these Adventure sailings with pent-up demand driving it, the less I think I'll be able to go. Just too many factors working against me -- most expensive time of the year (July/August), I have a second surgery to pay for, plus some way overdue home maintenance work, and I have to get a new (used) car this year before the current one gets any more problematic than it already is.

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We would gladly sail from the Bahamas, but due to vacation time restraints, cannot book anything until we see if our September cruise from Galveston goes as planned.  We plan on paying it in full when due and seeing what actually happens rather than trying to move it.  
 

We do have a January 2022 cruise out of Barbados booked.   

We’d rather take one cruise with higher airfare than no cruise at all, so we will gladly book from a foreign port. 

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I'm planning to go on one of the celebrity cruises. If I understand the announcement correctly, it's actually a bargain. 

I'm not sure what I expect as far as excursions, masks, etc. But I plan to go with an open mind and enjoy what I can. 

I'll do the Bahamas cruise as an alternative if necessary, but hoping for celebrity on this one.

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I know the Adventure text states only ship organized shore excursions but oddly does not seem to mention masks anywhere.

I did see a "snip" from a facebook page with an RCL rep stating facemasks would be required onboard but I cant find that in the actual fine print at the moment ... there is a "subject to revision" note though .. my guess is they are hoping mask wearing in a vaccinated environment becomes "clearer" before then and dont have to make it a fight.

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Would love to sail out of the Bahamas but the airfare at the moment is the killer as our "low cost" provider suspended flights to Nassau in January and has not announced a restart date. We have five other cruises scheduled for this year and early next and the wife wants to wait to see how they are going before we commit to flying there. Not opposed to flying as we have other sailings scheduled for the coasts but the airfares there are reasonable. Guess we will wait until after the first rush is over.

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11 minutes ago, jticarruthers said:

I know the Adventure text states only ship organized shore excursions

Can you point me to where you saw this?

11 minutes ago, jticarruthers said:

oddly does not seem to mention masks anywhere

I guess they want to get all protocols in at once, rather than piecemeal.

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I live on the west coast and have long flights anytime I cruise the Caribbean so yes I would sail from Nassau or St Maarten. It makes no difference if I fly to Florida, SAN Juan or the Bahamas I’m spending a lot of time on a plane and a lot of money on airfare. Unfortunately it’s just part of the overall cost of cruising the Caribbean for me.

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IMHO the Bahamas and their government is a complete cluster f***. I can’t imagine getting stuck on the island for an extended period of time and the possibility of not being able to return to the US if there were COVID related issues on the ship. This is a 100% no go for us. 

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56 minutes ago, tonyfsu21 said:

IMHO the Bahamas and their government is a complete cluster f***. I can’t imagine getting stuck on the island for an extended period of time and the possibility of not being able to return to the US if there were COVID related issues on the ship. This is a 100% no go for us. 

You have to know Royal Caribbean has an arrangement.

No ship is going to end up with a Diamond Princess situation.

We already know that if there is a positive case, isolation and disembarkation for that group is what will occur

 

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My interest would be on the higher side if I knew that I could book with their air2sea program.

And I know that it is best to fly in the night before but if memory serves me correctly, there’s not too many Holiday Inns in Nassau for a quick 1-night stay - lots of resorts that have a minimum stay. I could be wrong so please please someone correct me if I am!

Being from NJ, we have 5 airports to choose from and I’m almost certain we can get to Nassau from any of them.

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9 minutes ago, RockerDom31 said:

 

And I know that it is best to fly in the night before but if memory serves me correctly, there’s not too many Holiday Inns in Nassau for a quick 1-night stay - lots of resorts that have a minimum stay. I could be wrong so please please someone correct me if I am!

 

I've been scouting those out. There really isn't much. Though it seems staying 2 nights costs you the same as staying one night.

 

Also taxes there are like Ticketmaster. The taxes/fees they add on are about as much as the room rate.

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