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First and foremost I hope the sick passenger has mild symptoms, if any, and recovers quickly.

This is a bit of a blow. Hopefully the new procedures keep the case count to this one individual, proving they can limit an outbreak ... BUT ... this is a big win for the naysayers and those who believe ships are floating petri dishes.  

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1 hour ago, sk8erguy1978 said:

First and foremost I hope the sick passenger has mild symptoms, if any, and recovers quickly.

This is a bit of a blow. Hopefully the new procedures keep the case count to this one individual, proving they can limit an outbreak ... BUT ... this is a big win for the naysayers and those who believe ships are floating petri dishes.  

 

This could actually go either way. If this person ends up being the only one with the virus (apart from family of course) then procedures are working. However if a small outbreak then this is bad news for all. The message that needs to get out though is this person had the virus before getting on board and caught it in the generalwalking around petri dish of life.

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9 minutes ago, bretts173 said:

 

This could actually go either way. If this person ends up being the only one with the virus (apart from family of course) then procedures are working. However if a small outbreak then this is bad news for all. The message that needs to get out though is this person had the virus before getting on board and caught it in the generalwalking around petri dish of life.

There problem I see is that the pre testing is obviously no good. Now imagine a country with high case numbers, you could have multiple people positive cases on board which will inevitably lead to a larger outbreak. Then it's all bad news.

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5 minutes ago, bretts173 said:

 

This could actually go either way. If this person ends up being the only one with the virus (apart from family of course) then procedures are working. However if a small outbreak then this is bad news for all. The message that needs to get out though is this person had the virus before getting on board and caught it in the generalwalking around petri dish of life.

I have nothing but confidence in the procedures and that minimal exposure will be a result. I'm just a bit negative of how this will make the industry look, no matter how well they do. The message will get out there but it'll still result in negative press. 

These are discussions with friends and family that never go quite so well, if you know what I mean.

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14 minutes ago, mattymay said:

There problem I see is that the pre testing is obviously no good. Now imagine a country with high case numbers, you could have multiple people positive cases on board which will inevitably lead to a larger outbreak. Then it's all bad news.

Very true, anyone thinking cruising will be starting in the USA in the first half of next year are overly optimistic. Singapore averaging less than 20 cases a day of late.

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11 minutes ago, Frank Brealin said:

So if someone tests positive not only are they quarantined but anyone who had close contact with them is also quarantined even if that person does not test positive?

 

Also, if you are quarantined, do you get a refund?

 

 

The entire ship also returns to port. Cruise over for everyone I guess.

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2 hours ago, mattymay said:

There problem I see is that the pre testing is obviously no good. Now imagine a country with high case numbers, you could have multiple people positive cases on board which will inevitably lead to a larger outbreak. Then it's all bad news.

 

Oh dear, just read the news on the local daily. Yes, it is bad news. Because the person obviously tested negative before boarding. So my guess is he/she felt ill during the cruise, went to sick bay, and was then tested positive. This just shows there are "sleeper" infected people in the community, even as aggressive testing is being done. Awaiting more news on the circumstances surrounding this disappointing turn of events. 

 

Lastly, I do hope the person and members of his/her party is fine.

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Based on information from local forum sites in Singapore, people on the cruise will be given a pro rated refund of 1 day to their onboard credit, with unused credits refunded to their card. Additionally, they would receive 1 days worth of cruise fare as FCC. 

Also, seems the Dec 10 cruise will proceed as planned

 

For anyone interested in a few reads.

https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/travel-accommodation-89/royal-caribbean-quantum-seas-5941562.html#post131294251

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The encouraging view is that the protocols worked.  If there were around 1,000 guest on board, there was one case discovered and isolated.  

Wouldn't it be great if a high school with 1,000 students could achieve the same?  

If every county/city/state in America could claim that wouldn't that be incredible?  We'll get there one day.  

Singapore has the situation in control.  That doesn't mean the virus has been eliminated there.  For an area that has the situation under control the protocols seemed to work very well.    

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It really is the luck of the draw too. Personally, I walk down orchard road in Singapore and the crowds look no different or even worse than the photos from Quantum of the seas. You don’t have cases popping up everywhere because of that. 
 

Plus, Dream cruise has been operating for a whole month prior to RCI and they didn’t have a case on board. That being said, the protocols in place are different for the 2 cruise lines but for the most part, they have similar measures. 

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Vaccine is the ONLY way anything will return to normal..till then its masks, shut downs and very little to NO travel.....governments just won't allow it...

 

I wouldn't book anything before that sails before the fall at this point!

 

If a country with 5 cases allows one cruise, and someone is sick on the cruise.....just think about North American with tens of thousands of cases right now all while we are  trying to "flatten the curve"..it ain't working and winter is going to get alot worse before it starts to get better.....

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19 minutes ago, cruisellama said:

An opportunity to test protocols.   Need to establish confidence in both positive and negative events.

Protocols have been tested and hardly satisfactory in a country with virtually no covid cases. It's proven that the virus cant be kept off the ship and at the moment it would be likely that if a ship does sail from the USA that it will come on board. What then quarantine to rooms and return home. Pointless. 

 

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23 minutes ago, Traveler said:

'The good news the protocol worked , 

People were allowed to disembark from the ship and so far RCL planning to have the next cruise tomorrow as planned .For sure lesson learn need to be done but I see it as good results , we have a prove that even if you find one sick person on the ship its not the end of the world.  

Actually... they have announced that the voyage scheduled to leave tomorrow has been cancelled; tentatively planning to resume on 14 Dec.

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51 minutes ago, AndrewPunch said:

Test cruise has failed.   The question is it the protocols weren't followed or were the protocols not enough?  IMHO cruises won't start in the US till summer and require a "vaccine passport"

50 minutes ago, bretts173 said:

Protocols have been tested and hardly satisfactory in a country with virtually no covid cases. It's proven that the virus cant be kept off the ship and at the moment it would be likely that if a ship does sail from the USA that it will come on board. What then quarantine to rooms and return home. Pointless. 

 

There's a misunderstanding in both of these statements -- the protocols are not intended to keep the ship 100% virus free. That is statistically impossible to achieve, and any one / any government that thinks it is possible is deluding themselves.

The point of the protocols is to achieve the same goals as any nation working to keep the virus tightly under control. Test often and aggressively. Enforce behaviors that minimize (but again, don't eliminate) virus transmission. Take actions that minimize or eliminate crowding and that maximize air flow and other environmental factors that reduce virus spread.

The protocols did work. They achieved detection and caught that one passenger who boarded, took a test, but who happened to be recently infected and whose viral titer was still too low to be detected at that point. They achieved the critical step of contact tracing, and in record time; the tracelets allowed for extremely rapid identification of all the passengers who came in contact with that person for any protracted length of time. They achieved isolation, with the passenger and those who came in contact put into designated quarantine rooms that were isolated both in space and airflow.

The only thing about this that disappointed me is that they immediately turned around and returned to port, but this might also be a current requirement of the protocols that I missed in earlier reading. I had thought that the procedure would be to isolate the detected individuals but otherwise continue the sailing while monitoring continued, unless / until infection was found to have spread beyond the initial detection or above a certain low threshold. But maybe in these very early sailings they're operating on a super-abundance of caution (or at government requirements)

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48 minutes ago, Karl said:

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-new-cases-dec-9-imported-royal-caribbean-cruise-moh-13732130

 

The gentleman has actually tested negative after coming back on land. Both his original sample abd a fresh sample tested negative. Hurray!

I am not surprised by this but you won’t hear this part of the story reported in the news.

 

most people who test positive go into isolation and end of story but where the money is (professional sports etc how many times have we seen ‘positive’ cases reported only to have retests show the person is actually negative. Same with the MSC ship earlier this year that had 6 crew test ‘positive’ only to have retests come back negative. A positive test is often false. (And yes I know negative tests could be wrong as well)

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