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That would not surprise me if eventually it went to that.  Other than Anthem, all other JS guests on Oasis class ships have had trouble sometimes getting into CK every night.  In fact, I have heard on most OA class ships, they will only take JS reservations by the day, upon availability. I've heard/read many reports over the past year of people in JS not being able to get all 7 days, sometimes just one or two nights.  In fact, that is what drove me to get out of our JS booking on Symphony last month.

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I saw post from an Ovation guest who boarded and read in the Cruise Compass that Coastal Kitchen is for Sky and Star Class Suites so she didn't try.  Bad choice for her not to pursue it because as of right now Coastal Kitchen dinner is still included for JS on Ovation.  All she had to do as a JS guest was go there like other JS guests did.

The confusion comes from how different ships handle this.  While Ovation Cruise compass says Sky and Star Class, Anthem reads All Suites.  Oasis is different again.  Then once on board sometimes a JS can make reservation for the week on one ship but only one night at a time on another ship.  Typical Royal Caribbean, every ship is different.

As of right now it's still a stated benefit of Sea Class (JS):

https://www.royalcaribbean.com/cruise-rooms/royal-suite-class

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3 hours ago, twangster said:

I saw post from an Ovation guest who boarded and read in the Cruise Compass that Coastal Kitchen is for Sky and Star Class Suites so she didn't try.  Bad choice for her not to pursue it because as of right now Coastal Kitchen dinner is still included for JS on Ovation.  All she had to do as a JS guest was go there like other JS guests did.

The confusion comes from how different ships handle this.  While Ovation Cruise compass says Sky and Star Class, Anthem reads All Suites.  Oasis is different again.  Then once on board sometimes a JS can make reservation for the week on one ship but only one night at a time on another ship.  Typical Royal Caribbean, every ship is different.

As of right now it's still a stated benefit of Sea Class (JS):

https://www.royalcaribbean.com/cruise-rooms/royal-suite-class

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This is where I first saw the news... I had a friend on Ovation tell me they were only allowed if space was available....someone from Royal told him that it was in the works to remove the JS from this perk.

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12 minutes ago, Rob&Ana said:

This is where I first saw the news... I had a friend on Ovation tell me they were only allowed if space was available....someone from Royal told him that it was in the works to remove the JS from this perk.

I hear so many rumors it's not worth repeating them.  

As the Pinnacles number grow they will need to do something.  I've heard a rumor that Pinnacle will get the boot from CK to make room for suite guests.  Which is correct?

Until Royal announces it publically and updates the website each ship will implement their own policy as they see fit.

Some ships do so by not making it obvious for JS guests to realize they paid for this benefit.  Weekly I see a FB post from someone who doesn't know any better so this approach seems to work for some ships.

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Economically it's a pretty significant jump in money room a JS to a GS on a Oasis Class Ship. On my OAS cruise early 2020 it is a 2K jump in price for just over 100sqft in size so the perks have to warrant the 2K up charge. I guess it depends on what 2K means to you on a vacation?

If they took it away that wouldn't stop me from getting a JS if it fit my cruise goals. I am not a big foodie so it doesn't bother me to go to the Windjammer or the MDR. I am sure the decision has more to do with accommodating the Sky, Star, and Pinnacles more than the JS crowd. If it gets too crowded the first to go is the bottom of the ladder rung - the JS crowd.  Off to the galley they throw me...row-boy-row  😏 

First world problem - right!

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I was on the Ovation this past July 19 in Alaska and did not have trouble getting into dinner any night and I stayed in a Junior suite. It was my first experience was Coastal Kitchen so I don’t have anything else to compare it to. I wonder if other sailing are different 

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So not to hijack anything, but this would mean the benefits for staying in a JS would be:

Double C&A Points
A bathrobe
Dedicated Check-in (moving to online)
Priority Boarding
In-room Coffee/Tea
AND not to forget better smelling soap

With a bathrobe, check-in, and priority boarding being C&A perks anyways, it looks like the perks of a JS are becoming less and less. And I could really be wrong since I've not been in either of these rooms (looking for a JS now for a couple upcoming sailings), but aren't Spacious Interiors & Balcony Rooms much the same size? I'm not sure if we'll ever get to that GS level, but I do look forward to the day of having a special sailing in a JS! 😁

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I really hope this doesn't end up being true. Especially since a major part of our decision to upgrade from an interior to a JS for our Jan 2021 Anthem sailing is for CK access. Well, no use getting upset about it in advance. It's just a rumor for now and that is how I will treat it. 

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1 hour ago, Ala_Paul said:

So not to hijack anything, but this would mean the benefits for staying in a JS would be:

Double C&A Points

In-room Coffee/Tea

but aren't Spacious Interiors & Balcony Rooms much the same size? 

Double points are great if you are close to the next level and it'll put you over.

The last two times we had a JS we never used the in-room coffee pot.  It never really looked "clean" to me.  My son did try it once while we were out, and it made a huge mess.  He does know how to make coffee (he's an adult) so I know it wasn't user error.  LOL 

That may vary by ship.  If you compare the square footage for the ship you are considering you'll get a better idea.  Usually, a JS is 1.5 times a balcony. 

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The other nice thing about a JS for families with small kids is the bathtub.  that is what got us started on the JS.  My little kids at the time really enjoyed the bath and we enjoyed the room size/double points.  It worked out well. 

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21 hours ago, Lovetocruise2002 said:

That would not surprise me if eventually it went to that.  Other than Anthem, all other JS guests on Oasis class ships have had trouble sometimes getting into CK every night.  In fact, I have heard on most OA class ships, they will only take JS reservations by the day, upon availability. I've heard/read many reports over the past year of people in JS not being able to get all 7 days, sometimes just one or two nights.  In fact, that is what drove me to get out of our JS booking on Symphony last month.

Currently in a JR on Harmony for December 2020 and I just cannot pull the trigger on Grand Suite, it's a 2K jump. That's the price of another cruise (in a balcony stateroom) we might take with friends this time next year! 

11 hours ago, Tim B. said:

Economically it's a pretty significant jump in money room a JS to a GS on a Oasis Class Ship. On my OAS cruise early 2020 it is a 2K jump in price for just over 100sqft in size so the perks have to warrant the 2K up charge. I guess it depends on what 2K means to you on a vacation?

If they took it away that wouldn't stop me from getting a JS if it fit my cruise goals. I am not a big foodie so it doesn't bother me to go to the Windjammer or the MDR. I am sure the decision has more to do with accommodating the Sky, Star, and Pinnacles more than the JS crowd. If it gets too crowded the first to go is the bottom of the ladder rung - the JS crowd.  Off to the galley they throw me...row-boy-row  😏 

First world problem - right!

Same, it's about 2K jump on my Harmony cruise and while it's comparable to the Grand Suite on a per day basis as my upcoming Anthem sailing, it's easier on Anthem due to 5 vs 7 days. As of right now, the main reason for the JR on Harmony December 2020 has zero to do with CK, double points or any thing else. Just want an extra large balcony room to relax for my wife's - ummm 29th - birthday. 

2 hours ago, Ala_Paul said:

So not to hijack anything, but this would mean the benefits for staying in a JS would be:

Double C&A Points
A bathrobe
Dedicated Check-in (moving to online)
Priority Boarding
In-room Coffee/Tea
AND not to forget better smelling soap

With a bathrobe, check-in, and priority boarding being C&A perks anyways, it looks like the perks of a JS are becoming less and less. And I could really be wrong since I've not been in either of these rooms (looking for a JS now for a couple upcoming sailings), but aren't Spacious Interiors & Balcony Rooms much the same size? I'm not sure if we'll ever get to that GS level, but I do look forward to the day of having a special sailing in a JS! 😁

Think this is why Matt has said in his podcasts a Jr Suite shouldn't even be in the Suite category but just an extra large balcony cabin.

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33 minutes ago, DMLM said:

The other nice thing about a JS for families with small kids is the bathtub.  that is what got us started on the JS.  My little kids at the time really enjoyed the bath and we enjoyed the room size/double points.  It worked out well. 

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That's a big draw for me. We have a 7-month-old, and I'm interested in Royal allowing you to put a 5th person in the room if they're under 3. A bathtub would be nice as well. Those C&A points are a big draw for me too!

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14 minutes ago, sk8erguy1978 said:

Currently in a JR on Harmony for December 2020 and I just cannot pull the trigger on Grand Suite, it's a 2K jump. That's the price of another cruise (in a balcony stateroom) we might take with friends this time next year! 

Same, it's about 2K jump on my Harmony cruise and while it's comparable to the Grand Suite on a per day basis as my upcoming Anthem sailing, it's easier on Anthem due to 5 vs 7 days. As of right now, the main reason for the JR on Harmony December 2020 has zero to do with CK, double points or any thing else. Just want an extra large balcony room to relax for my wife's - ummm 29th - birthday. 

Think this is why Matt has said in his podcasts a Jr Suite shouldn't even be in the Suite category but just an extra large balcony cabin.

I agree.  A JS is basically just a larger balcony cabin with a little extra space and double points.  I think that the $1500-2000 difference between the JS and the GS is pretty typical from the prices that I have looked at.  It was about that for Symphony as well.  Sometimes, closer to sailing you get lucky and the price gap becomes less.  That is usually when we make the jump.  What it really comes down to is that we are all different types of cruisers.  Only you can decide what amount is worth the jump.  It's hard to quantify because each person values different things while cruising.  The trick is to know what you like and go from there.

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Just now, Ala_Paul said:

I'm interested in Royal allowing you to put a 5th person in the room if they're under 3. 

I don't know about the JS but I have heard of one case where they allowed this for a Star Loft suite.  The child was under 2 at the time of sailing.  Obviously, it also depends on if the ship has maxed out on it's life boat capacity or not.

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1 hour ago, Lovetocruise2002 said:

I agree.  A JS is basically just a larger balcony cabin with a little extra space and double points.  I think that the $1500-2000 difference between the JS and the GS is pretty typical from the prices that I have looked at.  It was about that for Symphony as well.  Sometimes, closer to sailing you get lucky and the price gap becomes less.  That is usually when we make the jump.  What it really comes down to is that we are all different types of cruisers.  Only you can decide what amount is worth the jump.  It's hard to quantify because each person values different things while cruising.  The trick is to know what you like and go from there.

100%. I'm not against 2k in jump, it's a fair price, but we are trying to book two cruises next year. Hey if I can find 2k-ish in my 2020 cruise budget, I'd do it all day. Especially since this is a milestone bday for her.

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On 8/25/2019 at 6:28 PM, Lovetocruise2002 said:

... JS guests on Oasis class ships have had trouble sometimes getting into CK every night.  In fact, I have heard on most OA class ships, they will only take JS reservations by the day, upon availability.

Was my experience 2 year ago on Alure, I actually couldn't get in at all or lets just say after the 5th straight day in a row I gave up trying those last 2 days.  The part that bothered me the most was that I had booked approx 2 years prior and there had been no talk of JS being "Space Available" and at the time I couldn't find that anywhere is Royal literature.  So I never was able to experience CK and really didn't like the Oasis Class ship that much, especially having to book your shows which to me defeated the purpose of a leisurely cruise vacation.

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As far as I am aware, CK for JS has always been “space available”.  I love the extra space and walk-in closet (most ships) of a JS and the double points. If I want a guaranteed seat in CK for breakfast and dinner, I book a GS or higher.  I personally find it distasteful to beg to be allowed into the CK. Half the time you have to bang at the door to even be let in.  No thanks.  If I want in, I will pay to be there with no questions asked or limitations. 

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As a first time RC cruiser, I am disappointed to read this thread. We are booked in a JS primarily for the added space (travelling with 2 children), and access to CK sort of clinched the deal. I did not see anywhere any disclaimers related to this. 

I feel that I need to lower my expectations towards our Allure cruise early December. First an itinerary change, then possibility of no access to CK. What more disappointments are there to come? 

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3 hours ago, WAAAYTOOO said:

I personally find it distasteful to beg to be allowed into the CK. Half the time you have to bang at the door to even be let in.  No thanks.  

^^^ I could not agree more with this.  I also hated doing this.  Anthem does it better where the podium is outside of CK and you don't feel like a second class citizen.

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4 hours ago, WAAAYTOOO said:

As far as I am aware, CK for JS has always been “space available”.  I love the extra space and walk-in closet (most ships) of a JS and the double points. If I want a guaranteed seat in CK for breakfast and dinner, I book a GS or higher.  I personally find it distasteful to beg to be allowed into the CK. Half the time you have to bang at the door to even be let in.  No thanks.  If I want in, I will pay to be there with no questions asked or limitations. 

 

50 minutes ago, Lovetocruise2002 said:

^^^ I could not agree more with this.  I also hated doing this.  Anthem does it better where the podium is outside of CK and you don't feel like a second class citizen.

I've only experienced CK on Anthem and was GS, my Oasis class days was back in 2010 and 2012 on Oasis and didn't sail a suite. I am surprised they don't activate the card for dinner hours so you can enter, see when (if at all) they can seat you for dinner, it's totally possible. (It is card access correct?) 

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47 minutes ago, sk8erguy1978 said:

 

I've only experienced CK on Anthem and was GS, my Oasis class days was back in 2010 and 2012 on Oasis and didn't sail a suite. I am surprised they don't activate the card for dinner hours so you can enter, see when (if at all) they can seat you for dinner, it's totally possible. (It is card access correct?) 

It’s card access but JS cards have no access. Someone would have to open the door for you. The hostess podium is inside so it makes it pretty awkward.

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4 minutes ago, Lovetocruise2002 said:

It’s card access but JS cards have no access. Someone would have to open the door for you. The hostess podium is inside so it makes it pretty awkward.

From my time configuring card access systems I see no reason they cannot activate it during dinner hours. I'd feel weird knocking on the door too.

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