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Carnival Extends COVID Protocols Through February 2022


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24 minutes ago, twangster said:

There's no way the CDC is ready to let go like the virus isn't still with us.

As long as the CDC does not attempt to once again over step their authority and do something drastic I think the industry will be okay.  The cruise lines have demonstrated they can operate safely during a pandemic.  They were scapegoated early on in this pandemic, shut down, held to a higher standard than any form of land based vacation yet this industry has risen to meet the challenge.  At this point the CDC needs to just leave the cruise industry alone and let people enjoy their cruise vacation.

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4 minutes ago, JasonOasis said:

As long as the CDC does not attempt to once again over step their authority and do something drastic I think the industry will be okay.  The cruise lines have demonstrated they can operate safely during a pandemic.  They were scapegoated early on in this pandemic, shut down, held to a higher standard than any form of land based vacation yet this industry has risen to meet the challenge.  At this point the CDC needs to just leave the cruise industry alone and let people enjoy their cruise vacation.

I think the shutdown was needed at the very beginning, maybe a couple of months, simply to allow time for cruise lines to figure out protocols. However, it should have been the cruise lines working *with* the CDC to restart as soon as possible, not having to work *against* the CDC.

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55 minutes ago, GKMCruising said:

Agreed. I fully expect more CDC guidance, and I'm perfectly fine with it, as long as cruising can continue safely. Small price to pay to be back on board.

 

12 minutes ago, cruisellama said:

I think the industry is in the "cooperate & graduate" mode.   Volunteer to be a "good citizen" and maybe the conditional restrictions are eased.   😠

I agree with both of these statements

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7 minutes ago, smokeybandit said:

If the CSO disappeared today the majority of the protocols would stay.

 

But there are plenty that are obsolete and useless that would go away pretty fast (and would have to in order to get capacities back up to near normal)

Any ideas about which protocols would be changed or cancelled? And I'm curious about the capacity limits - I've read posts on here where the passenger count seemed to be as low as 17% yet others at 30-40% - how is that determined I wonder?

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23 minutes ago, smokeybandit said:

If the CSO disappeared today the majority of the protocols would stay.

 

But there are plenty that are obsolete and useless that would go away pretty fast (and would have to in order to get capacities back up to near normal)

I agree, like the single piece of plastic in front of the pub singer/schooner bar player.

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If the CDC wasn't so slow to react and lethargic the protocols could be more dynamic.  While we are in a period of low transmission take down the plastic shields or face masks for vaccinated.  If a new variant comes along and actually begins to show impact, reintroduce protocols as required.  

But I digress.  

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37 minutes ago, smokeybandit said:

IMO the biggest rules to go would be in the areas of food service and physical distancing

I know Royal is currently planning to keep Windjammer full-service instead of self-service even after COVID, but I definitely think they'd ditch having the drink dispensers and whatnot being staffed.

I also agree with ditching the physical distancing - at higher capacities, there's going to be a major logjam for tables and seating in a lot of venues with the amount of areas currently blocked off.

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28 minutes ago, twangster said:

If the CDC wasn't so slow to react and lethargic the protocols could be more dynamic.  While we are in a period of low transmission take down the plastic shields or face masks for vaccinated.  If a new variant comes along and actually begins to show impact, reintroduce protocols as required.  

But I digress.  

Exactly. Some of the protocols are obviously more cumbersome to adjust quickly, but the masks/plexiglass/etc are things that could be easily turned on and off, for lack of a better phrase.

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29 minutes ago, Ampurp85 said:

I think RCG will keep protocols as is until at least the spring break sailings. Don't think they will do away with testing for a while, I believe the mask will go first. I can see the CSO extended until Jan 31st.

I'd definitely rather see the masks go before the testing. It's way less inconvenience for me to go get a quick nose swab before boarding than to have a mask on in all public spaces for an entire week.

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26 minutes ago, smokeybandit said:

THat'll stay as a cost savings measure (food waste) more so than a covid mitigation measure.

I'm okay with that.  I've seen way too many guests drop the handle of a serving utensil into the food contaminating the whole tray or reach in with bare hands, touch something then put it back.

In some cases the cough shields are so low you have to be double jointed to access the food.  

Safer all around to have dedicated servers dispense food at a buffet.  Even without a pandemic.  

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31 minutes ago, smokeybandit said:

THat'll stay as a cost savings measure (food waste) more so than a covid mitigation measure.

Definitely a cost savings measure first and a COVID/norovirus prevention measure second.

3 minutes ago, twangster said:

I'm okay with that.  I've seen way too many guests drop the handle of a serving utensil into the food contaminating the whole tray or reach in with bare hands, touch something then put it back.

In some cases the cough shields are so low you have to be double jointed to access the food.  

Safer all around to have dedicated servers dispense food at a buffet.  Even without a pandemic.  

Yup. Not on Royal, obviously, but I've seen little kids literally sticking their hands into a chocolate fountain at a buffet before. Needless to say, I didn't have much of an appetite for dessert after that.

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2 hours ago, fireclan said:

Any ideas about which protocols would be changed or cancelled? And I'm curious about the capacity limits - I've read posts on here where the passenger count seemed to be as low as 17% yet others at 30-40% - how is that determined I wonder?

I dont think royal is hitting their capacity limits so the 30-40 is what they are capping at, the 17 is more what they are actually getting.

The last 2 cruises i have been on (boarding # 3 in a few minutes) have been "selling" cabins a day or two before sailing still ...

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9 minutes ago, steverk said:

I'm horribly cynical! I don't think the CDC will let go until forced. Here's hoping I'm wrong!

I think what *should* happen is that the CDC agrees to end their involvement on the condition that cases onboard stay below a certain threshold. If they start seeing high cases numbers, they should reserve the right to intervene again but only on a ship-by-ship basis. No sense in the sins and mistakes of one line or ship ruining it for the rest of the fleets that are trying to do the right things.

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