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Does anyone know if the tests were antibody tests?

I believe that if you had the virus, and were asymptomatic, and got the vaccine, antibody tests could show that you at one time had the virus due to the antibodies showing up. Thus giving a false positive.

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57 minutes ago, ChrisK2793 said:


I’m curious what will happen if somebody’s fully vaccinated, had Covid previously, and tests positive on the the cruise.  It would obviously have to be a false positive ….. I wonder what would happen to them in that case?

 

From my understanding even with vaccination and antibodies if tested at exactly the right time after exposure to a big viral load of COVID (perhaps at one of the ports?), one could test positive before the immune system kicked in to quell it.  Not technically a false positive, but doesn't mean they were infected or infectious.  But they would be treated as if they were and quarantined and subject to future testing.   Seems like that's what the Celebrity protocols are doing here and if no one else ends up testing positive then they would have effectively worked.

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15 minutes ago, LovetoCruise87 said:

Does anyone know if the tests were antibody tests?

I believe that if you had the virus, and were asymptomatic, and got the vaccine, antibody tests could show that you at one time had the virus due to the antibodies showing up. Thus giving a false positive.

I would imagine the tests are the RAPID antigen (viral protein) tests, rather than antibody. Assuming they were, there is still a chance for false positive compared to an RT-PCR test; but, I can confirm from personal experience that even if you were very recently vaccinated and therefore full of spike proteins (which I believe is the antigen being tested for), it does not generate a false positive. I had to get a RAPID and RT-PCR test at the same time ahead of my last surgery, and I had received my second vaccination shot just a week prior. Both tests came back negative.

As The Washington Post article linked by the OP notes, there are expected to be some measure of "breakthrough" cases in vaccinated people, which includes infection by one of the variants that the vaccines don't completely protect against. The two who tested positive clearly hit that low-chance lottery.

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16 minutes ago, JLMoran said:

As The Washington Post article linked by the OP notes, there are expected to be some measure of "breakthrough" cases in vaccinated people, which includes infection by one of the variants that the vaccines don't completely protect against. The two who tested positive clearly hit that low-chance lottery.

And that is a lottery I have absolutely no desire of winning, therefore I will not buy any tickets!

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3 hours ago, CruiseGus said:

seeing nothing of a major new story on this yet, not even a slight mention run on my TV news ticker this morning, where the less important stories go.

Barely a mention on the 3 industry new sites i look at from time to time.

Didn’t have time to stay and watch the story, but Good Morning America ran it at the top of the show and referred to it as “chaos”. 🤦‍♂️

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I think this brings up a BIG problem with vaccinated cruises. Obviously by requiring vaccination, you are excluding a large portion of the potential customers already. Now, with positive cases happening on a fully vaccinated cruise, will fully vaccinated cruisers be willing to take the risk of having their vacation abruptly ended due to what's either a false positive, or a correct positive? Even if they are indeed COVID positive, the fact that everyone else on that ship is fully vaccinated means that COVID will not spread based on the evidence we know now. So what does kicking people off the ship accomplish, aside from a PR perspective? I would think from a PR perspective that there are some vaccinated people who would choose not to cruise due to the chance of something like this happening.

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15 minutes ago, nate91 said:

I think this brings up a BIG problem with vaccinated cruises. Obviously by requiring vaccination, you are excluding a large portion of the potential customers already. Now, with positive cases happening on a fully vaccinated cruise, will fully vaccinated cruisers be willing to take the risk of having their vacation abruptly ended due to what's either a false positive, or a correct positive? Even if they are indeed COVID positive, the fact that everyone else on that ship is fully vaccinated means that COVID will not spread based on the evidence we know now. So what does kicking people off the ship accomplish, aside from a PR perspective? I would think from a PR perspective that there are some vaccinated people who would choose not to cruise due to the chance of something like this happening.

It's a good question. Honestly. Also, can we not forget to include other communicable highly contagious diseases that are a threat to interrupting a cruise vacation. The media as always will love to get a hold of and completely BLOW OUT OF proportion one of those as well. I can see the headline now "Covid not the only threat to the newly restarted Cruise industry...old foes such as NORO rear their ugly heads on the at sea petri dishes". Enter CDC. (End Scene 1). 

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19 minutes ago, Biff215 said:

Didn’t have time to stay and watch the story, but Good Morning America ran it at the top of the show and referred to it as “chaos”. 🤦‍♂️

 GMA says 'chaos'... everyone remotely interested in the cruising world looking for said chaos...Travolta GIF by memecandy

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33 minutes ago, CruiseRoyalDad said:

Hey Matt, do we know what they did with the passengers that test positive until safe return to shore? 

They announced on the ship that the patients were moved to isolation rooms.

According to my room steward, all of the people who were in contact have been tested negative and released.

There's been no further announcements on the ship about the status of the two patient's 

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15 minutes ago, steverk said:

They announced on the ship that the patients were moved to isolation rooms.

According to my room steward, all of the people who were in contact have been tested negative and released.

There's been no further announcements on the ship about the status of the two patient's 

Again, the protocols were put in place for just this reason, and they are working.

The Healthy Sail Panel have done a great job in putting this together.

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34 minutes ago, Biff215 said:

Didn’t have time to stay and watch the story, but Good Morning America ran it at the top of the show and referred to it as “chaos”. 🤦‍♂️

"Chaos" hmmmm. I'm on the ship and my description would be "normal" while everyone tries to avoid the elephant in the room.

Other than the crew, I've only seen one person wearing a mask.

There's so few people on the ship that it's hard to tell if some people are hiding in their rooms, but I do find people out  and about.

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5 hours ago, FionaMG said:

Excellent article about it by a TPG writer who is on board here: https://thepointsguy.com/news/celebrity-millennium-cruise-ship-covid/

Good write up by someone on the scene. It gives pretty good insight on what happened and how its being handled. It all sounds pretty straight forward and logical to me with no finger pointing or wouda/shouda/couda. It is what cruises can probably expect in the short term. Who knows in 6 months or a year from now other than it probably will not be the same.

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16 minutes ago, LovetoCruise87 said:

Again, the protocols were put in place for just this reason, and they are working.

The Healthy Sail Panel have done a great job in putting this together.

We can certainly say the protocols are being followed.  Now we find out if they work.

And, yes, they did a great job putting the protocols together. If I didn't think they would work, I wouldn't have taken this cruise 

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44 minutes ago, steverk said:

I'm not surprised GMA did a report on the ship.  They have a crew on board. They must know chaos is not an accurate description,  but they probably wrote that headline weeks ago. 

We like GMA but they are always overly dramatic, particularly at the top of the show. Gotta convince people to keep watching I guess. 

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ABC news reporting two guests are remaining in St. Maarten until negative but what an atmosphere just waiting for next positive or the anxiety of being seated near the two for past 4 days. What a great time. 

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19 minutes ago, Louvanh said:

ABC news reporting two guests are remaining in St. Maarten until negative but what an atmosphere just waiting for next positive or the anxiety of being seated near the two for past 4 days. What a great time. 

I agree it would be very disconcerting to have been in close contact. I'm on board now. Since we don't know who it was, we can only trust celebrity's contact tracing to tell us.

Most people on board are taking it in stride and enjoying the sea day.

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3 hours ago, nate91 said:

I think this brings up a BIG problem with vaccinated cruises. Obviously by requiring vaccination, you are excluding a large portion of the potential customers already. Now, with positive cases happening on a fully vaccinated cruise, will fully vaccinated cruisers be willing to take the risk of having their vacation abruptly ended due to what's either a false positive, or a correct positive? Even if they are indeed COVID positive, the fact that everyone else on that ship is fully vaccinated means that COVID will not spread based on the evidence we know now. So what does kicking people off the ship accomplish, aside from a PR perspective? I would think from a PR perspective that there are some vaccinated people who would choose not to cruise due to the chance of something like this happening.

Yes - but having unvaccinated people on board doesn't make the outcome better.   It exacerbates the issue.   At least if people are vaccinated the chance of them becoming critically ill or dying are almost zero.   The chance of passing it on are less if you're vaccinated - so if I were a cruise line I would be doing every single thing I could to ensure the safety of my crew and passengers, not less.   For now.   Not forever.

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