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The CDC is wanting our feedback about what we think should happen. Personally, I think this means two things.

1) They are truly wanting a solution to get things moving. They are under a lot of pressure to get the cruise lines up and running.

2) They don't have a CLUE about what steps the companies take to clean on a regular basis nor do they have a clue as to what to do.

This means that the Blue Ribbon Panel was a wonderful idea on the part of RCL and NCL. They will be able to give the CDC much of the answers that they are looking for. Many (not all) of the people that will be commenting to the CDC will be normal people who have no medical experience. They will just be going by what they have heard or seen on the media, no matter which they listen to. This is all well and good, but I trust that they will take into consideration that most of us are just concerned people and not doctors or nurses. I hope they truly listen to the BRP and utilize their suggestions that way people can get moving again. Sitting in our homes and not being a part of society isn't good for a person either. If it was then my FIL wouldn't be in the shape he is in.

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Reading the post on the blog by @Matt (basically a list of things they want our input on) felt like they were saying "this is why we havent allowed cruising." But some of the questions were just ridiculous: "a. Should cruise ship operators deny boarding to passengers with COVID-like illness or confirmed infection with COVID-19?" uhh.....ya think?!?!?!

I think asking questions in that list to Joe and Jane Doe is begging for ridiculous answers.  Youre going to have a large portion of people saying "nothing can be done....cancel cruising forever" and youre going to have a large portion saying "nothing can be done....just let me on the ship" and theyre going to have to sift through to get REAL information????  Feels like they just threw out something to say "see......we care........" Im not buying it.  If they CARED theyd work with people that have the knowledge to actually answer these questions (looking at you, Blue Ribbon Panel)....not Steve in South Carolina that punches keys on a computer all day. 

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I'm excited about the positive implications here. I am concerned that this is a truly non-scientific poll.  It would be ideal if they could limit responses to those who have cruise experience and, at the very least, reduce the weighting for those who have strong opinions but have no idea why. Many rebels without a clue out there! 🤣🤣

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3 minutes ago, Ogilthorpe said:

I am concerned that this is a truly non-scientific poll.  

Thats exactly my point. Im sure there is some good that can be pulled from it.....but good LORD would you want to have to be the one to sift through it all to get that good? Its like a twitter poll.....keyboard warriors and jokers mucking up the results. Why would you subject yourself to that if you REALLY want answers? Id ask doctors, epidemiologists, people in the cruise industry with knowledge of how lines actually operate, people in logistics even.....then people that actually cruise.....not people that never have, or ever will. And definitely not just anyone on the internet! 

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4 minutes ago, danv3 said:

Asking for public comment is just one part of the administrative process...just a box CDC has to check. 

Now, THAT makes some sense. And goes back to my point of, they dont really CARE what the public thinks.....lol. Makes sense that a govt. department has to feign interest in the public input before taking action. 

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I fairly certain that the CDC doesn't want to hear MY opinions on anything. Whatever I would write to them would have way too much ranting and obscenities! 🤪

On a serious note, I really hope that not too many submissions come from the "anti-cruise" crowd.

I'm sure you know the type. The people that always NEED to comment "This is why I would never go on a cruise" whenever a negative story about a cruise pops up.

 

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In my opinion this is just a stalling tactic! Be seen to be doing something but all you are in fact doing is dragging it out longer. 

So many questions that i didnt even read them from no2 onwards, by the time they get results in then analyse all the results create charts and graphs im even worried my march cruise isnt going to go ahead 😟 

Honestly im away to cancel my flights to new york for march while i still can. 

Been told that Aida Crew heading back to ships have been told NOT to renew US visa! 

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10 minutes ago, Ray said:

In my opinion this is just a stalling tactic!

Been told that Aida Crew heading back to ships have been told NOT to renew US visa! 

Here in the US it's probably more of a CYA tactic.  Harder to claim they are doing nothing when they can counter they are considering all input from all sources.  

Renewing US VISA is difficult at best with processing times as they are.  It might be more of a "do not bother trying" suggestion rather than an explicit "do not".  

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3 hours ago, Mrs. Thomas said:

The CDC is wanting our feedback about what we think should happen. Personally, I think this means two things.

1) They are truly wanting a solution to get things moving. They are under a lot of pressure to get the cruise lines up and running.

2) They don't have a CLUE about what steps the companies take to clean on a regular basis nor do they have a clue as to what to do.

This means that the Blue Ribbon Panel was a wonderful idea on the part of RCL and NCL. They will be able to give the CDC much of the answers that they are looking for. Many (not all) of the people that will be commenting to the CDC will be normal people who have no medical experience. They will just be going by what they have heard or seen on the media, no matter which they listen to. This is all well and good, but I trust that they will take into consideration that most of us are just concerned people and not doctors or nurses. I hope they truly listen to the BRP and utilize their suggestions that way people can get moving again. Sitting in our homes and not being a part of society isn't good for a person either. If it was then my FIL wouldn't be in the shape he is in.

Very interesting list of questions.   Answering all the questions gives you the "plan".    They even give you a hint on the sections of the plan:  

a. Embarkation and disembarkation?

b. Safety drills and trainings?
c. Dining?
d. Onboard entertainment events?

e. Shore excursions?

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8 minutes ago, twangster said:

 

Renewing US VISA is difficult at best with processing times as they are.  It might be more of a "do not bother trying" suggestion rather than an explicit "do not".  

Cant comment on that as we brits without drugs or terrorism charges dont need a visa lol  😂 

 

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2 hours ago, SteveinSC said:

Reading the post on the blog by @Matt (basically a list of things they want our input on) felt like they were saying "this is why we havent allowed cruising." But some of the questions were just ridiculous: "a. Should cruise ship operators deny boarding to passengers with COVID-like illness or confirmed infection with COVID-19?" uhh.....ya think?!?!?!

I think asking questions in that list to Joe and Jane Doe is begging for ridiculous answers.  Youre going to have a large portion of people saying "nothing can be done....cancel cruising forever" and youre going to have a large portion saying "nothing can be done....just let me on the ship" and theyre going to have to sift through to get REAL information????  Feels like they just threw out something to say "see......we care........" Im not buying it.  If they CARED theyd work with people that have the knowledge to actually answer these questions (looking at you, Blue Ribbon Panel)....not Steve in South Carolina that punches keys on a computer all day. 

This is a pretty standard USG RFI format.     Long list of questions - the lines have to build a story and rationale for each one.    Its a lot of work.   At the working level all those cruise directors will all have to recreate their entertainment programs with the output of that RFI in mind..

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 This and others like this I find frustrating..

What precautions should the cruise line industry take to safely disembark passengers and crew without transmitting COVID-19 into local seaport communities?

A counter question.. what are the airlines doing to safely disembark passengers and crew without transmitting COVID-19 into local airport communities?

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A questions raised in this..  when someone has been identified as having covid. A ship returns docks as normal.. What happens next?

For normal land based issues, you are just sent home and told to isolate. Since you would not be allowed to fly, I guess the options are self isolate in local hotel, or rent a vehicle and drive home?  ie, it becomes the passengers responsibility not the cruise company?

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9 minutes ago, USFFrank said:

Wow, obviously the person who wrote this is not a cruise fan at all. Must have missed the ship in port and/or spent some time in the brig.

Unfortunately, typical in the world of online reviews. So many opinions without any real experience. It is consistent, sadly, with negative hotel reviews from those who admit they didn't stay there or negative restaurant reviews from those who couldn't secure a reservation. 🤔

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I would be very cautious about the CDC having an opinion poll of Americans what a reopening of cruising should look like; long time cruisers may not get the results they are expecting.

 

Jus' say'n....

 

 

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8 hours ago, crisgold52 said:

Thought I'd point out a common every day thing outside of cruising. The common thing here being MOVIES. Has anyone noticed how there's no blockbusters coming out this summer? They've been pushed back mostly to 2021 with a select few by the week of Christmas? It shows how movie theatres can't have a crowd either so it makes no sense to release movies this summer or even into early fall. Unprecedented. How this ties into cruising? Well I think its the assembly in one space for a few hours factor.

Not 100% accurate. The movie Greyhound was shopped out to streaming services once it became clear that it just couldn't be shown in theaters. Was intended to be a Father's Day release and ended up bought by Apple for their TV+ streaming service. Huge blockbuster for the service that's driven a large number of new subscribers. Similar story with the latest Disney/Pixar movie (Onward?), which went straight to streaming on Disney+ and likewise drew a good number of subscribers.

Other movies have similarly been shopped out and either already shown on streaming, or coming soon. The movie studios know that people still want to see their summer blockbusters, and are adapting as best they can to the circumstances.

Definitely a lot easier than getting cruising to resume, that's for sure. 😏

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56 minutes ago, bobroo said:

I would be very cautious about the CDC having an opinion poll of Americans what a reopening of cruising should look like; long time cruisers may not get the results they are expecting.

It is why all cruisers should take the time to submit a response.  You don't have to answer all the questions, just submit a statement.

I can't imagine too many people who want to stop cruising taking the time to find and then respond. 1 out of 22 approved entries so far.

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On ‎7‎/‎24‎/‎2020 at 1:46 PM, SPS said:

I fairly certain that the CDC doesn't want to hear MY opinions on anything. Whatever I would write to them would have way too much ranting and obscenities! 🤪

On a serious note, I really hope that not too many submissions come from the "anti-cruise" crowd.

I'm sure you know the type. The people that always NEED to comment "This is why I would never go on a cruise" whenever a negative story about a cruise pops up.

 

Those are the "cruise ships are petri dishes" people. Because of whatever reason, they are against cruising (from germs to jealousy) and don't think others should go either. I hope the opinions from those people are fully ignored.

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