CDC Guidance for US cruises- 98% Crew, 95% Pax vaccinated. Are you OK with that?

[twangster]

If they said mask while walking inside... I can deal with.  

Mask between bites of food is so outdated.  Think that came from the 1918 pandemic guidance.  

[AlmondFarmer]

14 minutes ago, twangster said:

Mask between bites of food is so outdated.  Think that came from the 1918 pandemic guidance.

During the 1918 pandemic, in some countries, a bite of food was ones meal. So masking in between bites equated to masking in between meals. 

[wordell1]

Yesterday, Dr Fauci said we should be "almost " back to normal by next Mother's Day.

 

This may take a while.

[wordell1]

[RBRSKI]

9 minutes ago, wordell1 said:

I wouldn't put it past some of these people!  And I will leave it at that!

[UNCFanatik]

38 minutes ago, twangster said:

If they said mask while walking inside... I can deal with.  

Mask between bites of food is so outdated.  Think that came from the 1918 pandemic guidance.  

Mask inside are one thing but masking outside is anti-science. And masking on Coco Cay is beyond stupid. 

The CDC just admitted which a lot of doctors and scientists have been saying since last year, that the virus is aerosolized. So all the plexiglass and excessive sanitation is just theater. And how effective do you think a cloth mask is against an aerosolized virus. Lets just say its questionable.

I am all for Royal as a business requiring vaccinations at first but if they do, they should be able to have rules that actually follow the science when it comes to masking and magical social distancing. 

I have a July 17th cruise and if it does sail and requires vaccinated crew and passengers but yet has outdoor masking rules and asinine masking requirements when dining, I will cancel.   

[smokeybandit]

We'll see how much weight Scott Gottlieb's (Healthy Sail Panel member) calls to remove all mask mandates have

[Matt]

1 hour ago, smokeybandit said:

We'll see how much weight Scott Gottlieb's (Healthy Sail Panel member) calls to remove all mask mandates have

Gottlieb called it February that we'd be in a point now where supply exceeds demand, so I'd say at the very least, he has a good handle on what's happening.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/08/covid-vaccine-scott-gottlieb-expects-wide-availability-by-april-in-us.html

[twangster]

FDA had approved emergency use of Pfizer for 12 and up.

[dswallow]

CDC’s slow, cautious Covid-19 messaging seems out of step with moment (statnews.com)

[jticarruthers]

“If their advice is too disconnected from reality, and if they are too slow, then they make themselves irrelevant,”

Quoted above from the article 

Oops too late on that advice ....

[twangster]

CDC approves Pfizer for 12 +.

[smokeybandit]

I'd be real curious where he's getting that number from. You certainly don't indicate vaccination status when you book a cruise.

 

[LovetoCruise87]

18 minutes ago, smokeybandit said:

I'd be real curious where he's getting that number from. You certainly don't indicate vaccination status when you book a cruise.

 

I agree. Where is he getting that number from?? No one has yet to ask me for my upcoming cruise in August if I am vaccinated.

[smokeybandit]

I guess they could be surmising that from that survey that gets sent out after you book a cruise.

[JLMoran]

Could be based on percentage of bookings for Adventure / Vision (must be vaccinated) vs other sailings. But yeah, some context would be nice.

[Dad2Cue]

1 hour ago, smokeybandit said:

I guess they could be surmising that from that survey that gets sent out after you book a cruise.

What survey???  Maybe it was the email that seemed like a survey that I just deleted.  It seemed like a satisfaction survey---did it ask about vaccination status?   

I'm not sure what the demographics are for Royal guests but my guess is that the older age of the  spectrum is well represented.  I think the percentage of "older" people who are vaccinated is quite high in the United States but 90% seems like a stretch.  The other factor is that people who want to cruise are probably more willing to get vaccinated in exchange for some normality.   It would be interesting where Royal got that number. I think it is an overestimate to promote a return to cruising but I don't really know.

[smokeybandit]

I thought I read somewhere that RC guests are an average of 46 yrs old

[AlmondFarmer]

1 hour ago, smokeybandit said:

I thought I read somewhere that RC guests are an average of 46 yrs old

Alaska sailings skew this number. 

[twangster]

1 hour ago, Dad2Cue said:

What survey???  Maybe it was the email that seemed like a survey that I just deleted.  It seemed like a satisfaction survey---did it ask about vaccination status?   

I'm not sure what the demographics are for Royal guests but my guess is that the older age of the  spectrum is well represented.  I think the percentage of "older" people who are vaccinated is quite high in the United States but 90% seems like a stretch.  The other factor is that people who want to cruise are probably more willing to get vaccinated in exchange for some normality.   It would be interesting where Royal got that number. I think it is an overestimate to promote a return to cruising but I don't really know.

I received it twice for different sailings.

https://www.royalcaribbeanblog.com/2021/03/08/royal-caribbean-now-surveying-guests-about-comfort-level-booking-cruise

[PPPJJ-GCVAB]

1 hour ago, smokeybandit said:

I thought I read somewhere that RC guests are an average of 46 yrs old

Hmmmm so that makes me "Way Above Average!!!"  LOL  

[B&S]

On 5/5/2021 at 2:36 PM, smokeybandit said:

But kids haven't made the personal choice not to get vaccinated because no vaccine is available to them.

I agree with the 100% vaccinated.  Kids are now eligible at 12 and older.  If parents choose not to vaccinate them, then keep the off the cruise.  

[Matt]

Keep the discussions about cruising. This is not the place to discuss vaccines, Covid, etc. 

[smokeybandit]

Lollapalooza is allowing unvaccinated in. But you have to take a PCR test every single day if you aren't vaccinated.

 

That would sure be annoying (and maybe an enticement to get vaccinated or simply not cruise) on a cruise ship to have to get tested every day

[Heymarco]

6 hours ago, B&S said:

I agree with the 100% vaccinated.  Kids are now eligible at 12 and older.  If parents choose not to vaccinate them, then keep the off the cruise.  

I hope Royal will continue to make exceptions for the youngest ones until vaccines are available. Both Royal and CDC have indicated it would be ok.