Mike.s Posted January 20, 2021 Report Share Posted January 20, 2021 Saga, a British cruise line serving the over 50 market has today mandated all passengers having a Covid-19 vaccination prior to sailing, guess they won't be the only one. https://www.cruisehive.com/cruise-line-requires-all-guests-to-be-vaccinated/46159 Allen2 and Sharla 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycho and Barb Posted January 20, 2021 Report Share Posted January 20, 2021 Got a feeling that will become the industry standard. sammy79 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
castle25 Posted January 20, 2021 Report Share Posted January 20, 2021 will be interesting to see how it is policed as the UK are not giving people who have had the jab a covid passport Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki007 Posted January 20, 2021 Report Share Posted January 20, 2021 8 minutes ago, castle25 said: will be interesting to see how it is policed as the UK are not giving people who have had the jab a covid passport In the US we are getting a CDC card that documents both doses (which vaccine, lot#, and date of each). I assume the UK is giving out a similar card. I already have mine inside my passport so I don’t lose it. sk8erguy1978, Kayleigh, PurdueFlyer and 1 other 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LizzyBee23 Posted January 20, 2021 Report Share Posted January 20, 2021 I understand the sentiment, but as someone who has money wrapped up in FCC for a family cruise where children were definitely planned to be onboard, Royal better have a plan to refund that to us and everyone in our party who will no longer be travelling due to a restriction of this type. The FDA won't be in any rush to approve a vaccine for children since they are the one demographic where the broadly inaccurate and now gauche sentiment of "the flu is worse" is actually true. The fact that children don't seem to be as susceptible to severe forms of the disease is the reason a few pediatricians on the FDA council for the Pfizer EUA didn't vote to approve it: they had a problem with language approving it for use in 16 year olds since as a demographic they don't have much to gain from a vaccine that hasn't been fully approved (full approval won't come until Apr 2020). Most optimistic estimates put some children less than 16 years old being able to be vaccinated in mid-2022, with the youngest cohort and pregnant women perhaps beyond that (if ever). Requiring a vaccine to sail would effectively mean no young children on board for at least another 18 months. And all of that "is what it is", meaning I'm sure it's an exercise in what can be gained from operating at different capacity levels with or without families on board that accountants and bean-pushers are all running numbers on as we speak. I just hope RCL treats those of us who are effected by such a monumental change in policy fairly. Ogilthorpe and Baked Alaska 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruisellama Posted January 21, 2021 Report Share Posted January 21, 2021 Guess its not really a surprise. Someone had to be first. You could equate to when you travel to certain regions/countries and yellow fever or dengue fever shots are required. Remember those yellow immunizations booklets? Now you can put it in an app. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yo2slick Posted January 21, 2021 Report Share Posted January 21, 2021 Hopefully Royal will make a decision on this soon. If they require a vaccine Ill be requesting a full refund for our 2022 cruise. Ogilthorpe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linda R Posted January 21, 2021 Report Share Posted January 21, 2021 10 hours ago, loki007 said: In the US we are getting a CDC card that documents both doses (which vaccine, lot#, and date of each). I assume the UK is giving out a similar card. I already have mine inside my passport so I don’t lose it. I made a copy of my covid vaccine card and keep them in several places. Including passport and wallet. Psycho and Barb, sammy79 and Baked Alaska 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VACruiser Posted January 21, 2021 Report Share Posted January 21, 2021 I've already started my cancellation proceedings for my November 2021 cruise on Oasis as I'm sure this is going to be a requirement for future cruising events. My largest fear is to get on a ship and someone tests positive, whether false or true, and I get stuck in my room after paying a lot of money to go on a vacation. I'm out until all this gets sorted out. I've already booked a house on a beach in South Carolina for August 2021 and this may now be the new vacation norm. What ticks me off is even if I get the vaccine I will still have to take a Covid test prior to going on vacation and I bet also wearing a mask on ship too. And, that's why I'm not going to jump all these hoops just to go on a vacation that is supposed to be fun and relaxing... Ogalthorpe Haywood, jticarruthers, Yo2slick and 2 others 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki007 Posted January 21, 2021 Report Share Posted January 21, 2021 5 hours ago, VACruiser said: I've already started my cancellation proceedings for my November 2021 cruise on Oasis as I'm sure this is going to be a requirement for future cruising events. My largest fear is to get on a ship and someone tests positive, whether false or true, and I get stuck in my room after paying a lot of money to go on a vacation. I'm out until all this gets sorted out. I've already booked a house on a beach in South Carolina for August 2021 and this may now be the new vacation norm. What ticks me off is even if I get the vaccine I will still have to take a Covid test prior to going on vacation and I bet also wearing a mask on ship too. And, that's why I'm not going to jump all these hoops just to go on a vacation that is supposed to be fun and relaxing... Agree...we are avid cruisers and have decided not to cruise until we do not have to follow any social distancing, masking, testing requirements. I think that is probably not going to be until mid to late 2022. We just got back from an all inclusive resort in Mexico and it was fantastic. No testing to get into the country, the resort was operating at 50% capacity, very clean and safe. When hanging out by the pool no need to mask (there were tons of open chairs due to low capacity). Highly recommend this as an alternative. We never left the resort and felt safer there than in the US. Dan Curtis, VACruiser, WAAAYTOOO and 4 others 4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlassSlipper Posted January 23, 2021 Report Share Posted January 23, 2021 My 12 year old is in the Phase 3 Pfizer vaccine trial for children 12-15. They are hopeful they the EUA will come in the next couple of months for that group. I’m sure younger children will be longer, but they said the trials are moving along well. SPS, teddy, Sharla and 3 others 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LizzyBee23 Posted January 23, 2021 Report Share Posted January 23, 2021 33 minutes ago, GlassSlipper said: My 12 year old is in the Phase 3 Pfizer vaccine trial for children 12-15. They are hopeful they the EUA will come in the next couple of months for that group. I’m sure younger children will be longer, but they said the trials are moving along well. Oh wow! Thank you for supporting your little one through that. The last I read was that Pfizer wouldn't be seeking an EUA for that cohort and would instead wait for the data to seek full approval (which based on when they hit half enrollment for that age cohort would be in July). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlassSlipper Posted January 23, 2021 Report Share Posted January 23, 2021 32 minutes ago, LizzyBee23 said: Oh wow! Thank you for supporting your little one through that. The last I read was that Pfizer wouldn't be seeking an EUA for that cohort and would instead wait for the data to seek full approval (which based on when they hit half enrollment for that age cohort would be in July). That is what they told me when he went for his 2nd shot last week. I haven’t read anything official-but I was hopeful. They said they were looking for authorization within the next few months. They said things were moving quicker than it had for adults. Now I’m not an expert-just what the study told us. LizzyBee23 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LizzyBee23 Posted January 23, 2021 Report Share Posted January 23, 2021 18 minutes ago, GlassSlipper said: That is what they told me when he went for his 2nd shot last week. I haven’t read anything official-but I was hopeful. They said they were looking for authorization within the next few months. They said things were moving quicker than it had for adults. Now I’m not an expert-just what the study told us. That's interesting, and I guess a mixed bag... If it's moving quicker I guess that probably means more infections in the cohort at a quicker pace than anticipated. Since that age group is less likely to show symptoms, are they doing asymptomatic tests? Like asking for more swabs performed at home? (Hubs and I were both in the adult trial... Somehow both assigned to placebo, but we got our first shots last week! If not for the trial, it probably would have been months given how badly our state is botching the roll-out) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlassSlipper Posted January 23, 2021 Report Share Posted January 23, 2021 5 minutes ago, LizzyBee23 said: That's interesting, and I guess a mixed bag... If it's moving quicker I guess that probably means more infections in the cohort at a quicker pace than anticipated. Since that age group is less likely to show symptoms, are they doing asymptomatic tests? Like asking for more swabs performed at home? (Hubs and I were both in the adult trial... Somehow both assigned to placebo, but we got our first shots last week! If not for the trial, it probably would have been months given how badly our state is botching the roll-out) My understanding was quicker for enrollments than for the adults-I don’t think the procedures themselves are moving quicker. LizzyBee23 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LizzyBee23 Posted January 23, 2021 Report Share Posted January 23, 2021 5 minutes ago, GlassSlipper said: My understanding was quicker for enrollments than for the adults-I don’t think the procedures themselves are moving quicker. Oh, ok. I misunderstood. I just checked the news and it said Pfizer's adolescent trial is already fully enrolled! That is quite a bit quicker than the adults. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlassSlipper Posted January 23, 2021 Report Share Posted January 23, 2021 18 minutes ago, LizzyBee23 said: Oh, ok. I misunderstood. I just checked the news and it said Pfizer's adolescent trial is already fully enrolled! That is quite a bit quicker than the adults. LizzyBee, Since you were in the Pfizer study too and got the placebo-can I ask a question. We obviously don’t know which my son got-but we are hopeful he got the vaccine. His arm didn’t hurt at all on the first one, hurt in his upper arm on the 2nd for about a day. Did you have any pain with either? I know we won’t know for sure, but just curious. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PurdueFlyer Posted January 23, 2021 Report Share Posted January 23, 2021 it will be interesting (irritating) if the CDC ultimately requires a vaccine as a condition to board a cruise but then WON'T accept the same vaccine to allow you to board a flight home without an accompanying negative covid test. I get that asymptomatic spread is what is driving all of this, but eventually we need to move this past "presumed positive until your rapid test shows otherwise" phase. that didn't stop me from booking 4 cruises in 2021 already, but after this weeks announcement, I'll get the vaccine and opt-out of any travel that requires a test until things loosen up. I dont enjoy getting my brain tickled with a q-tip enough to jump through the hoops solely for the love of travel (and I do love travel!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LizzyBee23 Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 I had actually convinced myself I had the real thing... Had arm pain, a slight fever after the second shot. I also had a weird and sudden bout of lymphadema. That freaked me out enough to check with my normal doctor. He did a cbc workup and said I could get an antibody test to remove any doubt it was related to the vaccine, so I unblinded myself via an s-protein specific antibody test and found out I was given placebo. My kids probably gave me a little non-covid bug. Having had the first shot now, I honestly wouldn't have been able to tell a difference. Neither of us had any symptoms, aside from mild arm pain we also had with the placebo. And, funnily enough, on the paperwork I saw that Pfizer has ammended their side effects to include transient lymphadema. GlassSlipper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogalthorpe Haywood Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 On 1/20/2021 at 10:36 PM, Yo2slick said: Hopefully Royal will make a decision on this soon. If they require a vaccine Ill be requesting a full refund for our 2022 cruise. Without people getting the vaccine you won’t need to request a refund they will just give it to you. It’s funny people want things to get back to normal but don’t want to take the proper steps to help society return to some sort of normalcy. SpeedNoodles, KWofPerth and DDaley 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LizzyBee23 Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 5 hours ago, Ogalthorpe Haywood said: Without people getting the vaccine you won’t need to request a refund they will just give it to you. It’s funny people want things to get back to normal but don’t want to take the proper steps to help society return to some sort of normalcy. Not everyone will be able to get a vaccine before their next cruises are planned, and even if they can meet the requirement their travel companions may not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruisinForABruisin Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 11 minutes ago, LizzyBee23 said: Not everyone will be able to get a vaccine before their next cruises are planned, and even if they can meet the requirement their travel companions may not. Then it looks like they just got themselves a shiny new FCC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogalthorpe Haywood Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 1 hour ago, LizzyBee23 said: Not everyone will be able to get a vaccine before their next cruises are planned, and even if they can meet the requirement their travel companions may not. I was speaking more on the “anti vaccination” people, not to when people qualify for the vaccine. LizzyBee23 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LizzyBee23 Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 2 hours ago, CruisinForABruisin said: Then it looks like they just got themselves a shiny new FCC I'm unsure of the tone this was intended, but surely you can see the problem with issuing an FCC with an expiration date when there are no certainties about when a vaccine may be available to select populations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LizzyBee23 Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 42 minutes ago, Ogalthorpe Haywood said: I was speaking more on the “anti vaccination” people, not to when people qualify for the vaccine. If everyone operated with honest intention, there would be a way to separate those with legitimate reasons (either no access or a true medical reason to avoid the vaccine) from the people who would view those reasons as a loophole to be exploited (our brand of rugged individualism in the US manifests in troubling ways occasionally). I suppose you could do something along the lines of "if a vaccine has been authorized for use in your demographic for x months, then you must have had it to sail" but even something like that could be abused. I doubt issuing an FCC in a minor's name knowing full well it may expire before a vaccine is available for said minor would be good publicity (or even legal), and you have the issue of cruises booked with extended families that could cause a cascade of cancellations around one family with minor children. The cruise lines know this, of course... They probably even have data on what level of secondary bookings come from a family with children deciding on a cruise instead of a pilgrimage to the Mouse when grandmas/grandpas, aunts and uncles, etc all decide a vacation at sea with all of the amenities of a ship actually sounds nice. They don't market themselves as family friendly for nothing, after all. But all that kind of ties their hands... How do the cruise lines verify that these passengers are actually cancelling because of a relationship to minor children (or some other population without access to a vaccine) or because they're anti-vaxxers jumping at the opportunity to get their money out of the booking? I think you'd almost have to open up actual $$ refunds to anyone at that point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruisinForABruisin Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 4 hours ago, LizzyBee23 said: I'm unsure of the tone this was intended, but surely you can see the problem with issuing an FCC with an expiration date when there are no certainties about when a vaccine may be available to select populations. They keep pushing the FCC expiration date. Let's put it this way, if people who want to be vaxxed are unable to do so before late 2022, we have bigger problems than cruising USCG Teacher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yo2slick Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 On 1/24/2021 at 7:54 AM, Ogalthorpe Haywood said: Without people getting the vaccine you won’t need to request a refund they will just give it to you. It’s funny people want things to get back to normal but don’t want to take the proper steps to help society return to some sort of normalcy. Conforming with the masses is not what I consider "taking proper steps to help society return to normal". If people would think for themselves we wouldn't be in this situation. I am far from anti vaccination but I do not agree with this vaccination and will not be getting it. If cruise lines start requiring all vaccinations and not just Covid then we can talk about normalcy. WAAAYTOOO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruisinForABruisin Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 1 hour ago, Yo2slick said: Conforming with the masses is not what I consider "taking proper steps to help society return to normal". If people would think for themselves we wouldn't be in this situation. I am far from anti vaccination but I do not agree with this vaccination and will not be getting it. If cruise lines start requiring all vaccinations and not just Covid then we can talk about normalcy. People are thinking for themselves, that's why we haven't gotten the virus under control Ogalthorpe Haywood, DJsMrs and Yo2slick 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambia-Zaire Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 2 hours ago, Yo2slick said: I am far from anti vaccination but I do not agree with this vaccination and will not be getting it. If cruise lines start requiring all vaccinations and not just Covid then we can talk about normalcy. According to numbers, there is not enough vaccines to vaccinate a huge percentage of the population, in the U.S. alone, for the CDC or Cruise lines to justify making it mandatory to cruise, unless the Reset date for cruise is set sometime pass possibly Summer of 2022, moving forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycho and Barb Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 9 hours ago, Zambia-Zaire said: According to numbers, there is not enough vaccines to vaccinate a huge percentage of the population, in the U.S. alone Not according to our new President Biden and his plan to distribute 100 million vaccine shots in his first 100 days in office. Its a nice goal but I don't believe it to be realistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LizzyBee23 Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 1 hour ago, Psycho and Barb said: Not according to our new President Biden and his plan to distribute 100 million vaccine shots in his first 100 days in office. Its a nice goal but I don't believe it to be realistic. We're already at that rate... It all hinges on J&J getting approved, but I think the new goal is 1.5mil/day. The US's strategy for herd immunity by sunmer does depend on natural infection, though. If the ships want to sail before the end of the year, they'll probably have to make some allowance for non-vaccinated passengers. ... Or fork over cash refunds. emmef, KristiZ and Ogilthorpe 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sushitex Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 On a related note, Norwegian Cruise Lines is planning to vaccinate its and Regent 7 Seas Cruise lines: https://www.travelandleisure.com/cruises/norwegian-cruise-line-regent-seven-seas-require-crew-covid-vaccinations?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=news_tab&utm_content=algorithm&fbclid=IwAR2e9enWbVLnbnRkxVzbkHhjVDGZJtUeZHvNPz3r_7QMzWzqjU8z3oocKCI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StockholmSyndrome Posted February 3, 2021 Report Share Posted February 3, 2021 On 1/23/2021 at 1:04 PM, GlassSlipper said: My 12 year old is in the Phase 3 Pfizer vaccine trial for children 12-15. They are hopeful they the EUA will come in the next couple of months for that group. I’m sure younger children will be longer, but they said the trials are moving along well. wow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StockholmSyndrome Posted February 3, 2021 Report Share Posted February 3, 2021 Wow. Just wow. Wake me up when this nightmare has ended. Yo2slick and WAAAYTOOO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruisinForABruisin Posted February 3, 2021 Report Share Posted February 3, 2021 26 minutes ago, StockholmSyndrome said: Wow. Just wow. Wake me up when this nightmare has ended. It ends with vaccines and science haha WAAAYTOOO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonL Posted February 6, 2021 Report Share Posted February 6, 2021 Normally I'm indifferent to vaccinations, but I am going to get this one for my family as soon as possible. Not because I think it's right or wrong, but because I wanna get back to travel as soon as possible. As long as it doesn't kill us, I'm down for it, if it means I can cruise and travel again. LizzyBee23 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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