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It would actually be a nice gesture if Cruiselines did that. It doesn't really cost the cruiselines that much money to do so. Its basically helping people achieving some benefits faster, ane might even entice some to cruise again after the bad experience.

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I was wondering this exact thing earlier today!

It would certainly help make up for a vacation unexpectedly being derailed ... although I fully understand it is not really the cruise lines' fault if a ship is quarantined and wouldn't necessarily expect it if I were in that situation. 

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On 2/13/2020 at 9:29 AM, coneyraven said:

I did see an article elsewhere that the crew of the Diamond Princess will be receiving 2 months off WITH pay as a way of saying Thank You for going through all this.

🤔🤔🤔 Does that mean the ship will be not sailing for two months?  That’s a lot of time to clean and disinfect. 

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3 hours ago, Psycho and Barb said:

🤔🤔🤔 Does that mean the ship will be not sailing for two months?  That’s a lot of time to clean and disinfect. 

If I had to guess, based on stuff I’ve learned listening to the Behind the Crew Door podcast, they’ll probably do two things:

First, ask some group of people coming due for their own vacation to stay on an extra two months. According to the podcast this isn’t uncommon on an individual basis. This will likely get spread across the fleet to minimize the impact on any one ship.

Second, some of the people coming back from vacation will be reassigned to Diamond Princess. Not 100% of the crew needed, but a decent amount.

Also realize that this is probably going to be done in the context of those already coming due for vacation time off; people who just came back before this happened likely won’t get this benefit, or if they do it won’t be given until their contract runs its course. I’d be very surprised if the entire ship crew was put on furlough, but I suppose it’s possible depending on the level of stress and strain this has placed on the whole crew.

 

EDIT - Forgot the second part of step 2; some of the people who were extended will also be reassigned to Diamond Princess, likely those who previously worked on her and have some familiarity with her.

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Princess cruise line isn't know for treating it's crew well.  This comes from a number of crew I've talked to who left Princess and started with Royal.  This gesture sounds nice but I'm curious how they will execute it in reality.  This is unprecedented so it's pointless to speculate.   

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On 2/15/2020 at 2:10 PM, twangster said:

Princess cruise line isn't know for treating it's crew well.  This comes from a number of crew I've talked to who left Princess and started with Royal.

Diamond Princess is Carnival, not Princess cruises 😉

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I'm not down playing  the corona virus because it does seem to be very contagious and if not contained, could be devastating, but ....

In effect its mortality is no more severe than the flu. Worldwide the flu kills about a quarter million people each year. So far, the corona virus is at about 1,800.

 

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As a side note.

I noticed RCCL has cancelled several sailings in the far east due to the corona virus. Other cruse lines have done the same. Financial reports from the cruise lines are predicting lower revenues as a result.

  • Do you think the threat of disease and illness will turn people away from cruising?
  • Will cruise line stocks suffer?
  • Will cruise lines start deep discounts to lure people despite the 'risk of sickness'?
  • Can cruisers expect more strenuous screening for illness before or after cruising?
  • Will general SOP's for ship cleanliness be more stringent?
  • Will this put more demand on ship crews or open new job opportunities  in infection control specialists on ships much like hospitals use to reduce or prevent nosocomial infections?

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2 hours ago, Ditchdoc said:

As a side note.

I noticed RCCL has cancelled several sailings in the far east due to the corona virus. Other cruse lines have done the same. Financial reports from the cruise lines are predicting lower revenues as a result.

  • Do you think the threat of disease and illness will turn people away from cruising?
  • Will cruise line stocks suffer?
  • Will cruise lines start deep discounts to lure people despite the 'risk of sickness'?
  • Can cruisers expect more strenuous screening for illness before or after cruising?
  • Will general SOP's for ship cleanliness be more stringent?
  • Will this put more demand on ship crews or open new job opportunities  in infection control specialists on ships much like hospitals use to reduce or prevent nosocomial infections?

To my opinion its all a matter of trends in number of new cases but anyway some impact we will see for the short term. It can all changed id such case will be found on another ship in a different region.

So here is what I think : 

  • Do you think the threat of disease and illness will turn people away from cruising? - Some people yes , mainly it might impact new cruisers 
  • Will cruise line stocks suffer? - Short range yes , long range I wish I new 
  • Will cruise lines start deep discounts to lure people despite the 'risk of sickness'? - Again for the short term you can see some good discounts for long term not yet.
  • Can cruisers expect more strenuous screening for illness before or after cruising? - Maybe checking everyone fever.
  • Will general SOP's for ship cleanliness be more stringent? - The might clean more and invoke N virus protocols ...
  • Will this put more demand on ship crews or open new job opportunities  in infection control specialists on ships much like hospitals use to reduce or prevent nosocomial infections?

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The Ships ventilation system is a major source of concern, as one of a number, of possible mechanism of spread of the virus, on the ship, imo….it is although filtered, recycled air. The maximizing of fresh air possibly help; but, the amount of particles the filter capture is very important.

 

 

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9 hours ago, Zambia-Zaire said:

The Ships ventilation system is a major source of concern, as one of a number, of possible mechanism of spread of the virus, on the ship,

Confused.  The CMO in the video states the air circulation system is not believed to be a source of transmission.  

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53 minutes ago, twangster said:

Confused.  The CMO in the video states the air circulation system is not believed to be a source of transmission.  

I stated it a source of concern, given the 1st hand account of a number of passengers claim, they never left their cabin & had room service; and yet, tested positive....their belief, recycle ventilation may not have been adequate. Prompting the reason why Dr. Tarling felt the need to address this valid concern.

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9 minutes ago, Zambia-Zaire said:

I stated it a source of concern, given the 1st hand account of a number of passengers claim, they never left their cabin & had room service; and yet, tested positive....their belief, recycle ventilation may not have been adequate. Prompting the reason why Dr. Tarling felt the need to address this valid concern.

The most recent increases have been believed to be spread between cabin mates.  Wife has it and spreads it to husband in same cabin sort of thing.  

"These health authorities state there is no current evidence the illness spreads through the air ventilation systems.  Out of an abundance of caution we have maximized fresh air into all cabins".   

Guests have also been seen talking across balcony dividers with neighbors.  

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22 minutes ago, twangster said:

The most recent increases have been believed to be spread between cabin mates.  Wife has it and spreads it to husband in same cabin sort of thing.  

"These health authorities state there is no current evidence the illness spreads through the air ventilation systems.  Out of an abundance of caution we have maximized fresh air into all cabins".   

Guests have also been seen talking across balcony dividers with neighbors.  

Correct...I made note in my original post, maximizing fresh air helps...which suggest, they realize the need to maximize fresh air versus recycling air...a lesson learned on their behalf possibly. Filtering is also key.

As far as human2human contact...that's inevitable; however, apparently some of these couples didn't have the virus, as they confined themselves to their cabin; and yet, contracted the virus some how. That is concerning...so one has to take their account under consideration. Which is just one possible mode of transmitting Dr. Tarling felt the need to address & reassure the public.

The situation is no doubt fluid, as the cruise lines learn more, how to combat & prevent such an occurence. Good info to be aware of, for cruisers to safe guard themselves & fellow cruisers.

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19 minutes ago, Zambia-Zaire said:

As far as human2human contact...that's inevitable; however, apparently some of these couples didn't have the virus, as they confined themselves to their cabin; and yet, contracted the virus some how. That is concerning...so one has to take their account under consideration. Which is just one possible mode of transmitting Dr. Tarling felt the need to address & reassure the public.

They didn't think they had the virus.  Very few were tested initially.  Once they began testing more, surprise, they found more were infected.  That's one of the struggles with CV-19 - some carriers exhibit no symptoms.  

 

20 minutes ago, Zambia-Zaire said:

maximizing fresh air helps...which suggest, they realize the need to maximize fresh air versus recycling air.

No evidence of that.  They did it out of an abundance of caution.  You can't extrapolate false information from that.

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9 minutes ago, twangster said:

No evidence of that.  They did it out of an abundance of caution.  You can't extrapolate false information from that.

Not sure I follow...how am I extrapolating false information, when Dr. Tarling himself explain the reasoning behind pumping in fresh air versus just recycling air. Out of caution yes, because of their understanding of possible modes of transmitting...they didn't just reach that particular conclusion out of thin air...no pun intended. They obviously realize some of the methods employed may not have been fully adequate & made proper adjustments as the proceed along. The increase volume of fresh air ventilation is just one of those adjustment they made, that he stated they didn't employ initially; so, not sure why you feel I'm extrapolating anything from what he said.

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