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FDA approves Pfizer’s vaccine for ages 5 to 11. Will Royal makes changes?


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9 hours ago, GregD said:

I fully expect kids will be required to be vaccinated after a delay to allow people to get their shots. Richard Fain has always put out that vaccines are the way to get back to "normal cruising" so I don't expect him to back down from that.

My son has his appointments scheduled already, and my daughter was in the Pfizer trial, so we just need to have her unblinding appointment. We will be all set for our upcoming cruise in February.

Thank you for your daughter's participation in the trial. That is very generous of you...helping us all get out of this pandemic.

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50 minutes ago, Nate Y said:

I'm hoping the drop the vax requirements before my cruise in early Feb.  A lot to hope for, but here we are.  I was originally told as long as I bought travel health insurance I wouldn't need it, and as I'm sailing out of Florida where they aren't supposed to be able to ask.  Looking at Nassau's web site it looks like you can enter with a negative PCR test even if you aren't vacced, so I don't get why its required.

Unfortunately a while back they changed the vax "recommendation" to a vax "mandate".  You can no longer cruise unless you are fully vaccinated (eligible ages apply).  Florida is not enforcing the "cannot ask for proof of vaccination" so it's utterly useless.  They keep making fake indications that they are going to fine companies (cruise line included) who ask for proof of vaccination but it's only bluster.  The Bahamas and St. Thomas recently extended their prohibition for unvaccinated passengers but even if the cruise is going nowhere near The Bahamas or St. Thomas Royal is still requiring fully vaxxed.  Absolutely stupid.  I hope the vax mandate is ended soon too but I'm not holding my breath.  Thoroughly disgusted by all of it.

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3 hours ago, WAAAYTOOO said:

but even if the cruise is going nowhere near The Bahamas or St. Thomas Royal is still requiring fully vaxxed

I did read somewhere that the Bahamas rules extend to any ship traveling through their waters, even if the ship isn't docking there. Also, I imagine it's easiest on Royal to issue a blanket vaccine mandate just in case something required a reroute last minute, as is probe to happen, because otherwise they'd be left without ports to dock at potentially if they didn't require the vaccine.

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  • 4 weeks later...

I mean honestly if they don't do it sometime the beginning of next year and every other cruiseline does, I can see where that can be good and bad.  For example, I know families who would much rather go on a 95% vax cruise than one with 1000 kids on it like one cruise had.  But I imagine there are also families who don't want to get their kids vaccinated.  Personally, as soon as my son can be vaccinated we will switch to Carnival or NC if RC doesn't update their vax policies.  I surely don't want to be on the one cruiseline that allows that largest population of unvaccinated people on it.  I am only doing it this time because of my 4 year old.

I remember my doctor changing his childhood vaccine policy and he said it used to be that I would get a handful of families a year who would sign the paper refusing vaccines.  Then as trends continued and he saw he was getting several a week he realized that so few doctors accepted unvaccinated patients that he was getting more and more patients and he wasn't comfortable with the large numbers of unvaxed.  So he changed it knowing he would lose patients but in his mind it was worth it because other families were getting uncomfortable with not having a policy.  I see the same happening with cruises.  The % of vaccinated guests on RC is going to be much lower and keep lowering the more other cruises make it 5+.  I mean Disney changed to 5+ and Carnival only allows on exception.  Those are two cruises who very much cater to families.

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I think the biggest lesson learned is that Royal and Celebrity are not connected at the hip.  They are two separate lines with the ability to think and operate independently.  

So many times I see people trying to read tea leaves when Celebrity does something anticipating that will pass over to Royal.  Simple not the case.  Each company is independent and the two make their own decisions (and then reverse them) on their own.  

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I'm not a scientist or a statistician but...I've been following the CDC Cruise Ship Color Status page for quite a while, as I'm sure many of us have, and what's pretty apparent to me is...

Regardless of vaccination policy, each line has had, and still has, sailings with covid cases aboard. Even cruise lines with 100% crew and passengers being vaccinated. Some are orange and some yellow...depending on the percentage of covid cases to total passengers. However, none have reached red status. This means every ship has been able to handle however many cases have presented...and successfully prevented widespread infection...without overtaxing their medical facilities. It seems most cases are breakthrough in vaccinated individuals and are presented with mild symptoms. 

I still feel cruising is safe...safer than being home and mingling with people at various businesses and venues. So, for me...I'll protect myself by booking more cruises!😁

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