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https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/24792-u-s-politicians-urge-cdc-to-keep-cruise-industry-closed.html

 

Newsflash Senators, Americans will be cruising outside the US this summer. Americans will be swarming to Vegas Casinos this summer. Crowds will happen this summer.

But sure, ignore all that and focus on the continued US shutdown of an industry. Ignore the data from the cruises during the pandemic and how many cases there ACTUALLY were. 

Data>Politics

 

 

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9 minutes ago, UNCFanatik said:

https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/24792-u-s-politicians-urge-cdc-to-keep-cruise-industry-closed.html

 

Newsflash Senators, Americans will be cruising outside the US this summer. Americans will be swarming to Vegas Casinos this summer. Crowds will happen this summer.

But sure, ignore all that and focus on the continued US shutdown of an industry. Ignore the data from the cruises during the pandemic and how many cases there ACTUALLY were. 

Data>Politics

 

 

You should rename your title to this topic as these Senators are not urging the CDC to keep cruise industry closed. What they are urging is, and I quote with emphasis, "We urge you to strictly enforce the technical guidance issued under the Framework for Conditional Sailing Order (CSO) to minimize this threat, and take all appropriate steps—including halting cruises as necessary—if outbreaks occur on board."

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15 minutes ago, CruisinForABruisin said:

Hmm...kinda like the Administration made the CDC walk back the CDC directors claim that schools should re-open after pressure from teachers unions.

I get it

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19 minutes ago, princevaliantus said:

You should rename your title to this topic as these Senators are not urging the CDC to keep cruise industry closed. What they are urging is, and I quote with emphasis, "We urge you to strictly enforce the technical guidance issued under the Framework for Conditional Sailing Order (CSO) to minimize this threat, and take all appropriate steps—including halting cruises as necessary—if outbreaks occur on board."

Is that different than "closed" given the complete pile of unworkable garbage that is the CSO ?

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8 minutes ago, princevaliantus said:

Yes it is as the Senators are for opening U.S. Ports under strict guidance unlike prior which they explicitly stated they wanted it closed. It's a move forward despite how small it may be.

Outdated guidance that was given before vaccines that ignores the data on cruises that have happened during the pandemic. 

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This is nothing more than "Look at us constituents! We're keeping you safe!"

They (or their respective staffs) clearly have not done any research to see just how much the cruise industry has done to prepare for the resumption of operations. The language in the letter to the CDC gives the impression that they believe that the personnel running the industry and it's ships have been simply sitting with their feet up waiting to get back to business as usual. Nothing could be further from the truth.

(Sorry for the run on sentences. I was "angry typing")

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What is really concerning is that it says that they want to shut the ships down if an outbreak occurs onboard. If a outbreak of norovirus occurs the ships currently decide to end the voyage based on the number of cases. So going forward if one or two people test positive for COVID on a ship of 3500 people, are they going to end the cruise? This is where I think it will be necessary for the cruise lines to mandate the vaccine for the first year or two in order to make it feasible to sail again. I know that is controversial for me to say but I don’t think it works any other way. Adults will have to be vaccinated and kids under 16 will require a negative test for awhile. 

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That letter reads like it was written by someone unaware that there are now several very effective and widely available vaccines for COVID-19.  We're in a totally different place today than when the CSO was issued.

If the lines sail with fully vaccinated crews and pax, plus the mitigation measures in place, the chance of a COVID outbreak is virtually nil.  

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23 minutes ago, danv3 said:

That letter reads like it was written by someone unaware that there are now several very effective and widely available vaccines for COVID-19.  We're in a totally different place today than when the CSO was issued.

If the lines sail with fully vaccinated crews and pax, plus the mitigation measures in place, the chance of a COVID outbreak is virtually nil.  

100% agree!!

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59 minutes ago, danv3 said:

That letter reads like it was written by someone unaware that there are now several very effective and widely available vaccines for COVID-19.  We're in a totally different place today than when the CSO was issued.

If the lines sail with fully vaccinated crews and pax, plus the mitigation measures in place, the chance of a COVID outbreak is virtually nil.  

Pre-cruise testing alone means the chance of an outbreak is basically zero.

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Good Morning,

I really didn't know where to post this article so I picked this one!   

Finally giving the public a dose of reality that full vaccinated individuals are STILL getting Covid19.  And like the article said vaccines aren't going to be 100% effective, people will now know it's a possibility.  Just reporting what our lovely news outlets (aka journalism, yeah right) have to say this morning.  Multiple outlets are reporting on this today.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/04/13/986411423/a-mystery-under-study-how-why-and-when-covid-vaccines-arent-fully-protective

 

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14 minutes ago, RBRSKI said:

Good Morning,

I really didn't know where to post this article so I picked this one!   

Finally giving the public a dose of reality that full vaccinated individuals are STILL getting Covid19.  And like the article said vaccines aren't going to be 100% effective, people will now know it's a possibility.  Just reporting what our lovely news outlets (aka journalism, yeah right) have to say this morning.  Multiple outlets are reporting on this today.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/04/13/986411423/a-mystery-under-study-how-why-and-when-covid-vaccines-arent-fully-protective

 

I saw this as well. Remember when the CDC Director said that vaccinated individuals could not get re-infected? More contradictory info coming from the CDC.

Also, its worthwhile to note that the lady in the beginning of this article said she was fully vaccinated and still continue to wear a mask  but still got Covid. 

But we know that Covid cannot be 100% eliminated. The goal in the should not be Zero Covid and also as the article mentions that when these rare breakthroughs occur, 5800 out of 76,000,000 among fully vaccinated people that it is a milder form of Covid and often asymptomatic. 

Once upon a time during this pandemic we were told in the US we needed to keep the hospitals from being overwhelmed. My....how the goalposts have shifted 

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The next thing I see them coming clean and reporting more on are the side effects, I am sure more will be reported with such a new vaccine but I hope they aren't severe!

That is the risk everyone is well aware of when taking the needle to the arm!  

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1 hour ago, smokeybandit said:

Pre-cruise testing alone means the chance of an outbreak is basically zero.

I would also add that there are a number of wonderful therapeutic treatment options available to treat folks who test positive for COVID. I wonder if the cruise lines are working to stock up their medicine cabinets with some of these drugs to minimize outbreaks on a ship?

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6 minutes ago, JimnKathy said:

I would also add that there are a number of wonderful therapeutic treatment options available to treat folks who test positive for COVID. I wonder if the cruise lines are working to stock up their medicine cabinets with some of these drugs to minimize outbreaks on a ship?

I'll say one thing. Two weeks before anyone's cruise I'd be hitting up the vitamin D and zinc, just in case.

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29 minutes ago, JimnKathy said:

I would also add that there are a number of wonderful therapeutic treatment options available to treat folks who test positive for COVID. I wonder if the cruise lines are working to stock up their medicine cabinets with some of these drugs to minimize outbreaks on a ship?

I believe they are. The healthy sail panel had recommendations for Medical Personnel, Onboard Clinic & Design Operations, and Treatment Plans. (Items 34 thru 42)

And this was all months before any vaccines became available.

https://www.royalcaribbeanblog.com/2020/09/21/royal-caribbean-new-cruise-ship-health-protocols-include-wearing-masks-social-distancing

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3 hours ago, RBRSKI said:

Good Morning,

I really didn't know where to post this article so I picked this one!   

Finally giving the public a dose of reality that full vaccinated individuals are STILL getting Covid19.  And like the article said vaccines aren't going to be 100% effective, people will now know it's a possibility.  Just reporting what our lovely news outlets (aka journalism, yeah right) have to say this morning.  Multiple outlets are reporting on this today.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/04/13/986411423/a-mystery-under-study-how-why-and-when-covid-vaccines-arent-fully-protective

 

Reports like this show just how well the vaccines are working...better than the studies projected, in fact. With this level of protection, community spread can be reduced to almost nothing. Combine that with even modest risk mitigation and cruising can restart very soon. 

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35 minutes ago, danv3 said:

Reports like this show just how well the vaccines are working...better than the studies projected, in fact. With this level of protection, community spread can be reduced to almost nothing. Combine that with even modest risk mitigation and cruising can restart very soon. 

Your take on this is very interesting. 

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So sticking to topic, these Politicians are putting a strong hold on the cruise lines but Air Shows will be in full force this summer.  And I don't know how many people have gone to a air show but you are packed like sardines on the beach.  

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21 minutes ago, RBRSKI said:

So sticking to topic, these Politicians are putting a strong hold on the cruise lines but Air Shows will be in full force this summer.  And I don't know how many people have gone to a air show but you are packed like sardines on the beach.  

Beaches, etc. where they are held at will probably have capacity control.

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Our local naval air station will resume its Air Show (Blue Angels, etc.) in a week or so. I haven't attended one in years. Luckily for us, we live close enough to the base that we can view the Angels flying overhead, which is all I really want to see anyway. All we have to do is wait to hear the roar, then go outside and stand around for a little while. Meanwhile, thousands of people stream into the base, and gather at the edge of the air field to watch all the airplanes. No  thanks, especially not this year's show. I realize that they will likely limit the crowds somehow, however. The base CO has been very good at taking care of his people as far as COVID goes - as a military retiree dependent, I feel very safe shopping at the base commissary and exchange. They are strict about observing the protocols and many times, both stores have been almost empty anyway (like the commissary was today.) 

 

 

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Blumenthal is a kidney stone...  Useless, a royal pain,  doesn't have a cruise port, soaked in ... well you know.  Matsui even more clueless as her state is in the dog gone desert... Thats two did anybody read the dozens on the signature page of Rick Scotts bill? These two are not in position except to try and sound important to their voter base... Pandering, clueless, baseless...  I wouldn't worry about them... 

 

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9 hours ago, princevaliantus said:

No need to google as it's not a reliable sour unless stated so from reputable scientists and reputable doctors, such as Dr. Fauci, would have said so months ago and would have push it.

Its (Vitamin D)  being pushed in several areas including getting out in direct sunlight where we manufacture our own and UVB rays wreak havoc on the VIRUS it self.  Studies being done several places indicate that it does help. Yes reputable.  Anecdotally, I had several hundred aboard my boat last year. Not one of those people got the virus. In the neighboring marina their numbers  involved several thousand who could make the same claim.  The only "outdoorsman" I know of that caught COVID was a  police officer who was taken from his horse back to a squad car for a couple weeks and caught a mild dose of it. 

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11 hours ago, deep1 said:

Its (Vitamin D)  being pushed in several areas including getting out in direct sunlight where we manufacture our own and UVB rays wreak havoc on the VIRUS it self.  Studies being done several places indicate that it does help. Yes reputable.  Anecdotally, I had several hundred aboard my boat last year. Not one of those people got the virus. In the neighboring marina their numbers  involved several thousand who could make the same claim.  The only "outdoorsman" I know of that caught COVID was a  police officer who was taken from his horse back to a squad car for a couple weeks and caught a mild dose of it. 

No better place to get sun than a cruise ship deck.

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I'm sure that the flurry of activity directed at the CDC's over-reach over the last two weeks isn't changing anything. I gave it two weeks from the Desantis filing to see if the needle moved. Not a bit. The non-sensical advisory from the CDC that endangered citizens of St. Vincent, should not board a cruise ship sent to the island to either transport those citizens to safety or provide safe food and water is beyond monumentally stupid. It demonstrates exactly where the CDC is on the cruise industry and on it's COVID narrative that it's advancing. They are unable to or refuse to do an appropriate risk/benefit analysis.  This sort of analysis seems to be completely missing in the Biden administration's approach to the pandemic.

That's very disappointing and I think it characterizes the likelihood that we are going to see any substantive changes to the current circumstance that is crippling the cruise industry. We know that MSC has essentially abandoned the US and Canadian cruise market for this summer to restart on a larger scale in Europe. They're getting the jump, and wisely so, on the rest of the industry. I think RCG is hopeful that some kind of rapprochement is possible with the CDC and I'm sure they've run the numbers. But, my take is that if the CDC continues to take the position they have apparently taken, the rest of the majors will leave the US market this summer for whatever is available in Europe. That is going to be hugely damaging to the service sector that supports cruse ship operations ..... I just don't get this. Failing to recognize these costs with minimum COVID risks to re-starting accompanied by benefits that clearly out weigh those risks is mind-boggling to me. But, I'm preaching to the choir. 

And to Europe.....at one point I had foreseen European ports opening to cruise ships before US or Canadian ports. I felt that in February the EU had the virus contained and vaccines would guarantee its further retreat. Hasn't happened, except in the UK. The more noteworthy circumstance, however, is that Spain, Greece and Italy, some black sea ports, probably Israel and some other mid-eastern ports will open to cruise ships because their economies are highly dependent on tourism. That's a plus but, still, for US and Canadian citizens, you have to get there. Air travel will require lots of hoop jumping, the added expense of air-fare and uncertainty over cross boarder travel within Europe. 

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19 hours ago, princevaliantus said:

Beaches, etc. where they are held at will probably have capacity control.

Good Morning,

I will first say I have nothing wrong with people getting back out and enjoying the things we were doing a year ago, even events like air shows.

Maybe those Politicians that continue to attack the cruise industry, look at the web cams on Coco Beach today.  They would have a melt down!

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1 hour ago, JeffB said:

The non-sensical advisory from the CDC that endangered citizens of St. Vincent, should not board a cruise ship sent to the island to either transport those citizens to safety or provide safe food and water is beyond monumentally stupid.

This statement from the cdc required a very special kind of stupid! It's also very telling as to their position on cruise ships. 

Therefore, I'll jump on a plane and fly to a Caribbean island to take my cruise. Evidently, that's safer and more palatable than driving 30 minutes to Galveston and jumping on it there

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