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http://www.travelweekly.co.uk/articles/321371/royal-caribbean-to-open-five-private-islands

Royal Caribbean International will open five ‘Perfect Day’ private islands over the next five years and has revealed that its yet-to-be-named ‘Spectrum 2’ ship will sail in Europe.

The line will open ‘Perfect Day at CocoCay’ in the Bahamas in May. It  will be followed by private islands in Asia, for the Chinese market, one off the coast of Australia and another in the Caribbean.

Speaking at a Travel Weekly Executive Lunch, the line’s president and chief executive, Michael Bayley, said: “We have been busy acquiring land around the world and each one will have a slightly different concept, depending on what each market’s idea of a perfect day is.”

Ten Royal Caribbean ships will feature CocoCay in itineraries this year, and in 2020 ships will stay later into the evenings. In 2021, vessels will stay overnight.

Royal Caribbean is also building “limited overnight accommodation” on the
island, which will offer “a suite-class experience”.

A pier that can accommodate two ships, including one Oasis-class vessel, is being constructed.

“You could go on one ship, spend a few days at CocoCay and get back on another ship,” said Bayley.

Royal is preparing to launch Spectrum of the Seas, its first Quantum Ultra-class vessel, in Shanghai in April.

Bayley hinted that the second Quantum Ultra-class vessel, currently known as ‘Spectrum 2’, will sail out of Barcelona after its launch in autumn 2020 and will visit the UK. Royal is poised to announce a major investment in port infrastructure in Barcelona.

Bayley confirmed Royal was likely to exercise five options for new-builds it has registered with shipyards. This would be in addition to five ship orders set to be delivered in the next five years.

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Actually, for a "modest" investment in RCI you get to name one of the new islands. Sorry, I can't divulge that amount nor the name of the island I came up with. 

If Royal Caribbean really wants to build five new private islands, they should probably start building the piers now.

Really?....I don't see that making sense at all...unless demand drops and they cant fill the ships.   That being said, I am ok if they want to drop the prices of the cruise and charge more f

Just saw this posted over on CC as well....doesn't surprise me at all. But what does surprise me is the amount of money this must cost and how much higher cruises fares will have to go to finance all this.

I like the idea of switching ships in some cases..but that sounds like it will be only for the suite guests which wont include me. And up to 10 more ships to be ordered??! I don't think that kinda demand is there...especially when all the cruise lines are building these massive ships.

I still say that at some point all this spending and increase capacity is going to come back to bite Royal. Everything goes in cycles and when it turns back down, that's a lot of islands and boats to pay for.....

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45 minutes ago, monctonguy said:

Just saw this posted over on CC as well....doesn't surprise me at all. But what does surprise me is the amount of money this must cost and how much higher cruises fares will have to go to finance all this.

I like the idea of switching ships in some cases..but that sounds like it will be only for the suite guests which wont include me. And up to 10 more ships to be ordered??! I don't think that kinda demand is there...especially when all the cruise lines are building these massive ships.

I still say that at some point all this spending and increase capacity is going to come back to bite Royal. Everything goes in cycles and when it turns back down, that's a lot of islands and boats to pay for.....

Agree, I think RCI moving too fast. It needs to slow down a bit on spending.

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31 minutes ago, monctonguy said:

But what does surprise me is the amount of money this must cost and how much higher cruises fares will have to go to finance all this.

 

I Was On My Last Cruise And Was Talking To Some Who Is Big In The Industry And He Said With More Ships The Cheaper The Cost Of Going On A Cruise. 

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Really?....I don't see that making sense at all...unless demand drops and they cant fill the ships.

 

That being said, I am ok if they want to drop the prices of the cruise and charge more for the add-ons...as long as if you don't pay extra for the add ons you aren't treated and feel like a 2nd class citizen while cruising.....we are heading back to Titanic days if that happens.

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3 minutes ago, FlowBro Ty said:

I Was On My Last Cruise And Was Talking To Some Who Is Big In The Industry And He Said With More Ships The Cheaper The Cost Of Going On A Cruise. 

I hope the more ships the cheaper will be for cruising. I paid almost the same amount as me for 6 years old that not even eat much. So this RCI big spending really scares me a bit. Since 2000 I had only been sailed with RCI and coming in April will be the first time ever I will sailing with other cruise lines (MSC) for the Mediterranean cruise. I looked at the cost of the fare with RCI and the airfare and It was too expensive to book it. It will cost us almost double to book with RCI so we end up with MSC Bellissima. It is the brand new ship with MSC in April is a month old. Hope I make the right decision. However, this trip the ship is not my destination. 

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14 minutes ago, Atlantix2000 said:

With this many ships on order, I feel it is inevitable that the smaller ships will be sold to another line (or possibly they create their own separate line for small ships).  The Royal brand will be all mega ships sailing to their own destinations and the few places that where these ships can dock.

I'm no @monorailmedic but regardless of ship size, cruise ships after a certain age (25 years or so) tend to be retired/sold off.  I think the nature of refurbishments these days may extend cruise ship life spans for mass market lines more than perhaps a decade or two ago, but the bottom line is it's inevitable all ships when they get to a certain age will be moved out.

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27 minutes ago, Matt said:

I'm no @monorailmedic but regardless of ship size, cruise ships after a certain age (25 years or so) tend to be retired/sold off.  I think the nature of refurbishments these days may extend cruise ship life spans for mass market lines more than perhaps a decade or two ago, but the bottom line is it's inevitable all ships when they get to a certain age will be moved out.

That's how I see it.  Back filling for Vision and Radiance class disappearing over the next 10 years.

 

1 hour ago, monctonguy said:

... you aren't treated and feel like a 2nd class citizen while cruising.....we are heading back to Titanic days if that happens.

Sadly that is the trend in cruising.  NCL has Haven, MSC has Yacht Club, Celebrity has The Retreat.  Royal dipping it's toes in with Spectrum suite only area.  If anything Royal is behind the trend.

 

1 hour ago, monctonguy said:

I still say that at some point all this spending and increase capacity is going to come back to bite Royal. Everything goes in cycles and when it turns back down, that's a lot of islands and boats to pay for.....

On the flip side those who have positioned themselves in preparation for the coming depression will have great opportunity to cruise cheaply when the masses stop and they are desperate to fill the ships.    

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6 minutes ago, twangster said:

On the flip side those who have positioned themselves in preparation for the coming depression will have great opportunity to cruise cheaply when the masses stop and they are desperate to fill the ships.    

That's the only silver lining for me!...when the CAD is about 40% less than the USD..its making cruising very expensive for us Canuks.,....drink package alone for a cruise is almost $1400 for the 2 of us...

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1 hour ago, monctonguy said:

That's the only silver lining for me!...when the CAD is about 40% less than the USD..its making cruising very expensive for us Canuks.,....drink package alone for a cruise is almost $1400 for the 2 of us...

One benefit of living in a bordertown.  Can work in the USA (for now).

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1 hour ago, mworkman said:

I can’t see them getting rid of the radiance class ships, that would be a big mistake. They get into ports where larger ones can’t.  

Every goes at some point.  By the time OA 5 comes around Radiance is in it's 20th year in service.  In the 10 year view we are talking 2029 and all Radiance class will be >25 years old. 

Having owned a classic car they are a lot of fun but you get tried of them constantly breaking down.  A 30 year old ship is a liability.   They are not here forever.

 

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Just now, twangster said:

Every goes at some point.  By the time OA 5 comes around Radiance is in it's 20th year in service.  In the 10 year view we are talking 2029 and all Radiance class will be >25 years old. 

Having owned a classic car they are a lot of fun but you get tried of them constantly breaking down.  A 30 year old ship is a liability.   They are not here forever.

 

if that was to happen..I wonder if Royal will EVER build a ship smaller than Oasis/Quantum class again?! A lot of ports cant handle those sizes...would they just give up that market share I wonder?

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Just now, monctonguy said:

if that was to happen..I wonder if Royal will EVER build a ship smaller than Oasis/Quantum class again?! A lot of ports cant handle those sizes...would they just give up that market share I wonder?

Celebrity.  

Royal may very well become a large(r) ship line with all ships over 130K GT.  Voyager class has some longevity yet - that's why they are AMPING them.  

No single line can try be everything, it's possibly better to focus on the mass family crowd that wants FlowRiders and Laser Tag and Slides and Skypads.  Let Celebrity focus on smaller markets, or *GASP* create a new brand in the RCCL family.  

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Just now, monctonguy said:

if that was to happen..I wonder if Royal will EVER build a ship smaller than Oasis/Quantum class again?! A lot of ports cant handle those sizes...would they just give up that market share I wonder?

I think it's more likely if the mass-market lines (Royal / Carnival / Norwegian) stick with building larger ships (Q and O class sizes, maybe Freedom class size), they'll simply "cede" those more exotic ports like the ABC islands, the Mediterranean, and Norway / Scandinvia / Iceland to their premium sister lines. Higher-end lines appear to sticking with smaller ships (though they do appear to be creeping upward a little -- see Celebrity Edge or HAL Koenigsdam / Statendam).

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26 minutes ago, monctonguy said:

if that was to happen..I wonder if Royal will EVER build a ship smaller than Oasis/Quantum class again?! A lot of ports cant handle those sizes...would they just give up that market share I wonder?

They could rebrand some Celebrity ships once Royal's older fleet goes out of commission.

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41 minutes ago, twangster said:

Celebrity.  

Royal may very well become a large(r) ship line with all ships over 130K GT.  Voyager class has some longevity yet - that's why they are AMPING them.  

No single line can try be everything, it's possibly better to focus on the mass family crowd that wants FlowRiders and Laser Tag and Slides and Skypads.  Let Celebrity focus on smaller markets, or *GASP* create a new brand in the RCCL family.  

Yeah..that would make sense for sure....I mean...every ship now they are building holds 5000+....so then Celebrity would still be able to service smaller markets....interesting.....

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