Leroyr55 Posted March 30, 2022 Report Share Posted March 30, 2022 https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/27114-finally-cdc-drops-cruise-travel-health-notice.html KenCP, Kirsten, 4ensic and 5 others 5 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GatorCruiser Posted March 30, 2022 Report Share Posted March 30, 2022 woo hoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luiiismdo Posted March 30, 2022 Report Share Posted March 30, 2022 i wonder if this will lead to any changes on health n safety protocols. Neesa 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted March 30, 2022 Report Share Posted March 30, 2022 17 minutes ago, luiiismdo said: i wonder if this will lead to any changes on health n safety protocols. I think it definitely opens the door to changes. You can't say "well there's no concerns over cruising" and also say "well here's all the crazy stuff you have to do to cruise" Neesa, WAAAYTOOO, LovetoCruise87 and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancity Cruiser Posted March 30, 2022 Report Share Posted March 30, 2022 29 minutes ago, smokeybandit said: I think it definitely opens the door to changes. You can't say "well there's no concerns over cruising" and also say "well here's all the crazy stuff you have to do to cruise" The CDC does still mention being up to date with vaccinations in its statement. TheWoerners and WAAAYTOOO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted March 30, 2022 Report Share Posted March 30, 2022 15 minutes ago, Vancity Cruiser said: The CDC does still mention being up to date with vaccinations in its statement. Right, but if there's no concerns for cruising, why do I/cruise lines need to test to get on, for some test to get off, have rooms available to quarantine, make crew wear masks, make new crew members quarantine etc, etc. Ron Rico, WAAAYTOOO, LovetoCruise87 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midwest Cruiser Posted March 30, 2022 Report Share Posted March 30, 2022 https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/cruises/2022/03/30/cdc-covid-cruise-travel-risk-assessment/7214943001/ Moving in the Right direction for crusing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancity Cruiser Posted March 30, 2022 Report Share Posted March 30, 2022 21 minutes ago, smokeybandit said: Right, but if there's no concerns for cruising, why do I/cruise lines need to test to get on, for some test to get off, have rooms available to quarantine, make crew wear masks, make new crew members quarantine etc, etc. I don't know.......I don't work for the CDC or the cruise lines lol Maybe they are saying there is no risk because of the protocols? Who knows what the CDCs thought process is. jticarruthers and ChanaC 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike.s Posted March 30, 2022 Report Share Posted March 30, 2022 10 minutes ago, Vancity Cruiser said: I don't know.......I don't work for the CDC or the cruise lines lol Maybe they are saying there is no risk because of the protocols? Who knows what the CDCs thought process is. Not sure they even have a process, feels like they make it up as they go along. 4ensic, jticarruthers, fireclan and 4 others 4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ja-sun Posted March 30, 2022 Report Share Posted March 30, 2022 One of the reasons the CDC dropped the notice for cruising is because of all the precautions the ships were taking. Because of Royal's strict policies, this is why the positive cases have been greatly diminished. I feel that if they go back to normal procedures, like pre-covid, we will be back to a high positive rate, which will enact more restrictions by the CDC again. I personally would rather have a couple, than all, back in place. ellipses127, sammy79 and ChanaC 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted March 30, 2022 Report Share Posted March 30, 2022 24 minutes ago, Ja-sun said: One of the reasons the CDC dropped the notice for cruising is because of all the precautions the ships were taking. Because of Royal's strict policies, this is why the positive cases have been greatly diminished. I feel that if they go back to normal procedures, like pre-covid, we will be back to a high positive rate, which will enact more restrictions by the CDC again. I personally would rather have a couple, than all, back in place. Cruise lines were following even more strict protocols back when Cruising was a Level 4 danger. WAAAYTOOO and barbeyg 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ja-sun Posted March 30, 2022 Report Share Posted March 30, 2022 I would rather follow a few then go back to the way they were. According to the news, it seems Covid is still pretty active around the world, and people travel for these cruises. If things get too lenient, then the amount of positive cases, on the cruises, will go back up. Prompting the CDC to raise the levels again. TheWoerners, Vancity Cruiser and BigMac3001 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midwest Cruiser Posted March 30, 2022 Report Share Posted March 30, 2022 Honest question non political or to start any skirmishes,.... At what point do we just rip the band aid off and go on with our lives and our health as we individually see fit, without the protocols. This is the only industry held to these standards, none apply for hotels, or going down the road of Disney(where you can go into all theme parks back to back, during the course of a week and not be subjected to the processes as a cruise). I feel fully comfortable going out into public knowing that individuals I may be around in a restaurant or at a game or show might not be vaccinated or maybe symptomatic/asymptomatic. I would feel the same way on a cruise if the opened it up wide open. 100% pre March of 2020. Just my thoughts. barbeyg, Scooter6251, Neesa and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancity Cruiser Posted March 30, 2022 Report Share Posted March 30, 2022 I like the analogy @Matt used on his livestream that getting rid of the protocols is like saying ‘hey our team is in first place, we should get rid of our best players, we don’t need them’. I don’t like the testing either but it is what has made cruising able to happen and keep numbers low. JasonOasis, Kirsten, WAAAYTOOO and 3 others 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted March 30, 2022 Report Share Posted March 30, 2022 25 minutes ago, Vancity Cruiser said: I like the analogy @Matt used on his livestream that getting rid of the protocols is like saying ‘hey our team is in first place, we should get rid of our best players, we don’t need them’. I don’t like the testing either but it is what has made cruising able to happen and keep numbers low. Thanks. I just don't see the cruise lines getting rid of vaccine or testing requirements. It has worked so well, even during Omicron's peak. That's a safety net I don't see the cruise lines giving up. Not to mention not one cruise line has even hinted at dropping these requirements. I love the CDC dropping the warning. Should have been done months ago, but proof is in the pudding with the lack of cases. Ampurp85, ellipses127, sammy79 and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted March 30, 2022 Report Share Posted March 30, 2022 Vaccines definitely aren't going anywhere. As we watch other western countries get rid of entry testing requirements, I can see that happening this year. Scooter6251 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigpimp Posted March 30, 2022 Report Share Posted March 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Vancity Cruiser said: I like the analogy @Matt used on his livestream that getting rid of the protocols is like saying ‘hey our team is in first place, we should get rid of our best players, we don’t need them’. I don’t like the testing either but it is what has made cruising able to happen and keep numbers low. It’s a bad analogy…that would fit better if saying they getting rid of vaccine requirements all together. The pre-cruise test for vaccinated individuals needs to go…it’s more like sending down your top prospect to get more AB to be better. TheWoerners and 4ensic 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leroyr55 Posted March 30, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2022 43 minutes ago, Matt said: Thanks. I just don't see the cruise lines getting rid of vaccine or testing requirements. It has worked so well, even during Omicron's peak. That's a safety net I don't see the cruise lines giving up. Not to mention not one cruise line has even hinted at dropping these requirements. I love the CDC dropping the warning. Should have been done months ago, but proof is in the pudding with the lack of cases. When looking at ship status on the CDC web page there are still cases being detected across all lines. I personally just feel a little safer getting on SOS nest month if they keep the current requirements.. ellipses127 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigpimp Posted March 30, 2022 Report Share Posted March 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Vancity Cruiser said: I like the analogy @Matt used on his livestream that getting rid of the protocols is like saying ‘hey our team is in first place, we should get rid of our best players, we don’t need them’. I don’t like the testing either but it is what has made cruising able to happen and keep numbers low. 9 minutes ago, Leroyr55 said: When looking at ship status on the CDC web page there are still cases being detected across all lines. I personally just feel a little safer getting on SOS nest month if they keep the current requirements.. If you tested everyone who got on an airplane you would find positive cases and they don’t require any pre-flight covid test. Yes, I know they still require masks but that’s more on the unions than the airlines themselves. Disney is wide open no masks and yet no required negative test. 9 minutes ago, Leroyr55 said: When looking at ship status on the CDC web page there are still cases being detected across all lines. I personally just feel a little safer getting on SOS nest month if they keep the current requirements.. Midwest Cruiser and jticarruthers 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted March 30, 2022 Report Share Posted March 30, 2022 12 minutes ago, Leroyr55 said: When looking at ship status on the CDC web page there are still cases being detected across all lines. I personally just feel a little safer getting on SOS nest month if they keep the current requirements.. The problem with that ship status is they don't tell you how long it's been in that color. For all we know a Yellow ship may have had cases 6 weeks ago and none since. Midwest Cruiser 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midwest Cruiser Posted March 30, 2022 Report Share Posted March 30, 2022 I don't disagree with @Matt in what has worked in the past might continue to work, but if those players are at the end of their prime and new and upcoming player are ready to fill that roll(pre-March 2020) what gives. Lets look at it from a numbers based approach of roughly 79,800,000 cases of Covid in the US, say 25,000,000 were before the shots gives us 50,000,000 after 255,362,450 Fully vaccinated or 76.9% of the US 332,400,000 US citizens 305,362,450 vaccinated/natural immunity or 91% protected to some degree and of those 91% how many that aren't in that category are cruising or would cruise. (all Numbers are rounded roughly from the CDC website FWIW) I fully understand this only takes into account the US and there are great number of awesome Cruisers from outside the US and other countries are higher or lower then us. I'm looking for where peoples comfort level is in all of this. I still think at some point the band aid needs to be removed. WAAAYTOOO, 4ensic and jticarruthers 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GatorCruiser Posted March 30, 2022 Report Share Posted March 30, 2022 My comfort level is I couldn’t care less if they they went back to 2019. But that’s my personal calculus. Everyone is different in their risk aversion. “Return to normal” will be a very gradual process methinks. It won’t be 2019 for some time. jticarruthers, WAAAYTOOO and Midwest Cruiser 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted March 30, 2022 Report Share Posted March 30, 2022 42 minutes ago, GatorCruiser said: Everyone is different in their risk aversion. Agreed. I heard a joke the other day that everyone that takes more precautions than you makes you think they are being overly cautious, and everyone that takes less precautions than you is reckless. It's a personal feeling for us all. 43 minutes ago, GatorCruiser said: “Return to normal” will be a very gradual process methinks. It won’t be 2019 for some time. Couldn't agree more. It will take a long time for certain protocols to completely disappear, as in years. Allen2, RWDW1204, TheWoerners and 3 others 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonOasis Posted March 31, 2022 Report Share Posted March 31, 2022 3 hours ago, Midwest Cruiser said: I don't disagree with @Matt in what has worked in the past might continue to work, but if those players are at the end of their prime and new and upcoming player are ready to fill that roll(pre-March 2020) what gives. Lets look at it from a numbers based approach of roughly 79,800,000 cases of Covid in the US, say 25,000,000 were before the shots gives us 50,000,000 after 255,362,450 Fully vaccinated or 76.9% of the US 332,400,000 US citizens 305,362,450 vaccinated/natural immunity or 91% protected to some degree and of those 91% how many that aren't in that category are cruising or would cruise. (all Numbers are rounded roughly from the CDC website FWIW) I fully understand this only takes into account the US and there are great number of awesome Cruisers from outside the US and other countries are higher or lower then us. I'm looking for where peoples comfort level is in all of this. I still think at some point the band aid needs to be removed. The CDC is just one piece of the puzzle what we all have to keep in mind is cruises from the US all stop at at least one international port. I know a lot of focus has been placed on the CDC and rightfully so. However as much as we all would like to see the pre-cruise covid test dropped I don't think we will see cruise lines take that step just yet especially out of the US. I think dropping the required pre-test would only be done when destinations in the Caribbean feel comfortable enough and have enough of their population vaccinated. Right now more that 50% of Caribbean residents still have not been vaccinated, and most islands still have covid requirements that cruise lines still have to abide by. It isn't a free for all just yet I think it still going to take time for that pre-cruise test to go away. Vancity Cruiser, ultimate_ed and Midwest Cruiser 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ja-sun Posted March 31, 2022 Report Share Posted March 31, 2022 You know very well that Royal wants to get back to 100% and pre-covid times, but any little change, and they take them back a step, then that means less people on the ships. Which means less money for Royal. This would eventually be passed down to us someway, somehow. I think it's smart for them to err on the side of caution for now. Until the numbers go down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GatorCruiser Posted March 31, 2022 Report Share Posted March 31, 2022 I hear what you are saying, but technically the numbers are down. The question becomes how long does society continue to kvetch over case counts. To me once there is a decoupling of case counts from severe disease, hospitalization, and deaths, then as a society we move on. Heretofore, increasing case counts has predicted an inevitable increase in hospitalizations and deaths. Once this cycle is broken through immunity, it becomes a much more benign and less worrisome disease and the majority of society moves on jticarruthers, Midwest Cruiser, Vancity Cruiser and 2 others 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midwest Cruiser Posted March 31, 2022 Report Share Posted March 31, 2022 15 hours ago, JasonOasis said: The CDC is just one piece of the puzzle what we all have to keep in mind is cruises from the US all stop at at least one international port. I know a lot of focus has been placed on the CDC and rightfully so. However as much as we all would like to see the pre-cruise covid test dropped I don't think we will see cruise lines take that step just yet especially out of the US. I think dropping the required pre-test would only be done when destinations in the Caribbean feel comfortable enough and have enough of their population vaccinated. Right now more that 50% of Caribbean residents still have not been vaccinated, and most islands still have covid requirements that cruise lines still have to abide by. It isn't a free for all just yet I think it still going to take time for that pre-cruise test to go away. I agree that the CDC is a piece of the puzzle and another big one is obviously the Ports of Call. I would thing if they opened up the cruises to everyone and you weren't allowed off the ship if you were unvaccinated would probably be acceptable for the time being for them. I know I would be happy just to get on a cruise ship. I do also agree it will be the testing dropped 1st which would be a great start. WAAAYTOOO and fireclan 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos A. Posted March 31, 2022 Report Share Posted March 31, 2022 What Royal should be considering is the logistic of testing. Everyday we see less and less places with covid testing available. It's going to get very complicated specially for those who can't use the in home tests. jticarruthers, Midwest Cruiser and 4ensic 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midwest Cruiser Posted March 31, 2022 Report Share Posted March 31, 2022 @GatorCruiser I agree. The trend is down for all metrics even with the new variants. Moving about in the complete public setting you are around individuals that may or may not be Vaccinated and a large majority of people don't think a thing of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midwest Cruiser Posted March 31, 2022 Report Share Posted March 31, 2022 14 minutes ago, carlosalonsor said: What Royal should be considering is the logistic of testing. Everyday we see less and less places with covid testing available. It's going to get very complicated specially for those who can't use the in home tests. That's what I see as the first thing that would get removed hopefully soon. Looking at the other topics in here and that is starting to become the big problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted March 31, 2022 Report Share Posted March 31, 2022 28 minutes ago, carlosalonsor said: What Royal should be considering is the logistic of testing. Everyday we see less and less places with covid testing available. It's going to get very complicated specially for those who can't use the in home tests. That would have to come down from the CDC to change testing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos A. Posted March 31, 2022 Report Share Posted March 31, 2022 12 minutes ago, smokeybandit said: That would have to come down from the CDC to change testing. I'm referring to making easier for the non US travelers to take a test before cruising, maybe with a partnership with a 3rd party lab or any other option different that "look for yourself"... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midwest Cruiser Posted March 31, 2022 Report Share Posted March 31, 2022 2 hours ago, carlosalonsor said: I'm referring to making easier for the non US travelers to take a test before cruising, maybe with a partnership with a 3rd party lab or any other option different that "look for yourself"... You would hope that CLIA would fight hard for the CDC to drop that Test to Cruise requirement. jticarruthers, Carlos A. and WAAAYTOOO 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DublinFC Posted March 31, 2022 Report Share Posted March 31, 2022 22 hours ago, Matt said: It will take a long time for certain protocols to completely disappear, as in years. Do you think the vaccine requirements will take years as a personal opinion or is this an educated guess based on information you have heard through sources or press meetings with Royal Caribbean? Midwest Cruiser 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXcruzer Posted March 31, 2022 Report Share Posted March 31, 2022 7 hours ago, Ja-sun said: You know very well that Royal wants to get back to 100% and pre-covid times, but any little change, and they take them back a step, then that means less people on the ships. Which means less money for Royal. This would eventually be passed down to us someway, somehow. I think it's smart for them to err on the side of caution for now. Until the numbers go down. Royal is rapidly approaching 100% capacity WITH the current protocols in place. The on board experience is pretty close to pre covid, and is inching closer and closer every week. I see no catalyst here to push them to change anything quickly. Ampurp85 and sammy79 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigpimp Posted March 31, 2022 Report Share Posted March 31, 2022 The CDC does not require a negative covid test to cruise if you are fully vaccinated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted April 1, 2022 Report Share Posted April 1, 2022 40 minutes ago, Bigpimp said: The CDC does not require a negative covid test to cruise if you are fully vaccinated The CDC does not require a negative test if you have proof of recovery from covid in the last 90 days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LizzyBee23 Posted April 1, 2022 Report Share Posted April 1, 2022 9 hours ago, smokeybandit said: That would have to come down from the CDC to change testing. Until the federal transportation mask mandate is lifted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LizzyBee23 Posted April 1, 2022 Report Share Posted April 1, 2022 3 hours ago, TXcruzer said: Royal is rapidly approaching 100% capacity WITH the current protocols in place. The on board experience is pretty close to pre covid, and is inching closer and closer every week. I see no catalyst here to push them to change anything quickly. Except they're in the process of running a KSF promotion without summer blackout dates. I'm sure going from 85% to a 100% capacity is a big enough carrot in terms of pure profit margin to make it worth their while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatorskin76 Posted April 1, 2022 Report Share Posted April 1, 2022 Royal will definitely keep them longer than they should, but eventually, and hopefully sooner than later, they are going to chase the dollar knowing that the risk reward curve is in their favor. jticarruthers, WAAAYTOOO and Midwest Cruiser 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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