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To illustrate the impact of one ship leaving Florida and sailing from the Bahamas, Michael Bayley recently estimated just under 2,000 guests per weekend will be sailing from Nassau. That sounds about

Maybe California will contemplate convening a study to explore the idea of considering a tentative involvement in a limited commitment to a flexible proposal surrounding the concept of engaging in pre

I have no details but I will find the suit and read it. I just posted in another thread I was hoping someone would try. You have to love Desantis!

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5 hours ago, Matt said:

I paid the paywall (it's a business expense for me) and here's the jist

Director of the maritime division at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Martin Cetron was interviewed.

“In an ideal setting where we don’t have an overwhelming fourth wave of variants that are unresponsive to our mitigation strategies, that if all things go well as planned...I think with following the guidance we laid out we can all probably get to a place of partial resumption of sailing in July.”

Didn't the cruiseline's already say the guidance put forth was un-workable?

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On 4/2/2021 at 5:13 AM, Traveler said:

4. The number of people who are allowed on the ship will be calculate by the fowling simple formula  length of the ship divided by the number of floors multiply by the integral of the ship stern multiply by square root   of -1/2 + image.png.db6b8c2674bb61860aad8ddef1f02169.png  but no more than 10.5 including the crew.

I'm just happy to see the Navier-Stokes equation on a cruise forum.

Edit: and used appropriately, since as far as I know, there's still a millennium prize out there for anyone who can solve it (meaning as far as we know, it's unsolvable).

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Port of Galveston adds their voice:

https://www.portofgalveston.com/CivicAlerts.aspx?AID=166

OPEN PLEA TO THE CDC: ALLOW PHASED CRUISING NOW

As CEO and port director of the fourth most popular cruise port in North America and the only cruise port in Texas, I am joining Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, the Cruise Lines International Association (CLIA), major cruise lines and many others in calling for the CDC to lift the Conditional Sailing Order (CSO) and allow safe, sustainable phased cruising to begin in July.
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7 minutes ago, twangster said:

Kind of big news.  DeSantis is suing the CDC.

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31 minutes ago, smokeybandit said:

Kind of big news.  DeSantis is suing the CDC.

GOOD! The CDC needs to be called out on their double standard BS!

They're still holding on to the the idea of outbreaks similar to what happened on Diamond Princess OVER A YEAR AGO and paying no mind to the FACTS that we now have testing, health checks, mitigation measures, numerous other protocols, treatments, and, oh yeah, VACCINES!

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17 minutes ago, twangster said:

Now we need Texas and Alaska to join the lawsuit, or file their own.  

 

Do you suspect now that Florida has done this, and given if this has any real strength to it, that those other states will feel inclined to join and up the pressure? I know it's pure speculation as I ask... 

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6 minutes ago, nhilding10 said:

Do you suspect now that Florida has done this, and given if this has any real strength to it, that those other states will feel inclined to join and up the pressure? I know it's pure speculation as I ask... 

If the suit has proper legal merit and standing I do see other states getting involved.  

However I don't play an AG on TV so...

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7 minutes ago, twangster said:

If the suit has proper legal merit and standing I do see other states getting involved.  

However I don't play an AG on TV so...

Just like the statements two week ago, Florida lead they jumped on, I think if there is merit they will be signed on by end of day tomorrow.

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There is risk with this maneuver.  If the CDC wins they'll extend the industry shutdown which very much might just kill it.  

However given the CDC's clear indication of refusing to work with the industry that was the likely outcome without this lawsuit.  

Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

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6 minutes ago, twangster said:

There is risk with this maneuver.  If the CDC wins they'll extend the industry shutdown which very much might just kill it.  

However given the CDC's clear indication of refusing to work with the industry that was the likely outcome without this lawsuit.  

Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

We all believe, admittedly with some of our own bias, just how biased the CDC is against the cruise industry, and just how bad these double-standards are, and how unfair they are, but I know nothing about the legal implications and the landscape this will play out on. Without knowing the proper context of the lawsuit and what it goes after; I still can't but help thinking, how in the heck could the CDC win this one? How could anyone with any sense of reasonable judgment look at that compared to other industries and what they HAVE allowed, and not rule in the cruise lines' favor? I say that with full knowledge of how ridiculous the CDC is, but I'd love to see how they argue this in a court and spin it. 

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Since I am not in the US and do not have access to local TV there  , did one of the cruise companies or CLIA have done any commercials describing all the work place they are adding in Miami and in the US ? 

Something like , when you tale a cruise you are given jobs to the local porters , the taxi drivers you take to the ports  ,the hotel worker you are staying before and after  , the  people that works at the food providers facilities, the waiter in the restaurant and many many others .   

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9 minutes ago, Traveler said:

Since I am not in the US and do not have access to local TV there  , did one of the cruise companies or CLIA have done any commercials describing all the work place they are adding in Miami and in the US ? 

Something like , when you tale a cruise you are given jobs to the local porters , the taxi drivers you take to the ports  ,the hotel worker you are staying before and after  , the  people that works at the food providers facilities, the waiter in the restaurant and many many others .   

The court of public opinion isn't going to sway the CDC.  I'm not sure TV commercials that educate the public on industry impact would accomplish anything.  

CLIA is global in nature with a focus beyond the USA.

You can read their annual state of the industry here.

https://cruising.org/en/news-and-research/research/2020/december/state-of-the-cruise-industry-outlook-2021

Page 24 addresses world wide economic impact.  

I don't see them spending money that target one region.

 

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57 minutes ago, twangster said:

Now we need Texas and Alaska to join the lawsuit, or file their own.  

Maybe California will contemplate convening a study to explore the idea of considering a tentative involvement in a limited commitment to a flexible proposal surrounding the concept of engaging in preliminary discussions with the CDC.

I will provide an update on this in 6 months.

 

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21 minutes ago, AlmondFarmer said:

Maybe California will contemplate convening a study to explore the idea of considering a tentative involvement in a limited commitment to a flexible proposal surrounding the concept of engaging in preliminary discussions with the CDC.

 

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26 minutes ago, RBRSKI said:

And in my opinion, he is doing it for the state of Florida and the people who are affected by the shut down of the cruise industry.  People may be quick to judge him and say it's only a political stunt but if he makes it happen many people will benefit.

 

A stunt is saying you are looking into a lawsuit.  

Filing an actual lawsuit rises above "stunt".

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