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Boy, did I make the right call (or, We just got (thinly veiled?) confirmation how cruising will resume)

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In @Matt's article today discussing the Q&A by Michael Bayley, there is this key quote (emphasis added):

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"It's pretty logical that when we restart our operations, when everything's good and when we've got everything figured out, that it will be the most popular products on the most popular itineraries with the best ships going to the best destinations."

"I would say the startup, depending upon the circumstances and timing, will be relatively gentle. It won't be a sudden, 'Wow, everything's operating.' I think we'll put our toe in the water and begin operations and make sure everything is perfect, and make sure the guests are having a wonderful time, and making sure we've got all of the protocols established."

"Probably the short product to Perfect Day will be among the first to start."

Bearing in mind this discussed was specifically for Royal Caribbean, it can easily be extrapolated to Celebrity. Which means that there is absolutely no chance in heck, even if sailings resume on July 25-31 after the CDC moratorium expires, that a boutique 2-week open-jaw sailing from NJ to Iceland & Greenland, or its immediate counterpart back to Boston, will be taking place. Maybe we'll see some short sailings out of NJ to Bermuda, either on Royal or Celebrity (but most likely Royal due to a late season start better handled by Anthem in those rougher Atlantic waters); but repositioning sailings won't be happening in the beginning for anyone.

So yeah, totally the right call to Lift & Shift before Celebrity can cancel the cruise and leave me with FCC that won't cover next year's much higher pricing.

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For me, they still need to answer this important question.. and I would think most would want to know the answer before sailing.

What guarantee is there that if the ship has an active, or even suspected case of covid, that the ship be allowed to dock as normal, on time and for passengers to get off.

Most ships that had active cases pretty much quarantined everyone in their rooms.. so it is not like you get an extra 1-2 weeks of cruising time. I just don't believe that US ports, or any ports are going to just be at a point where they accept covid cases and allow everyone to just leave.

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I guess this isn't great news for our Oasis cruise from NJ to Coco Cay Sept. 6th. What a mess this entire thing is. I mean just a mess, total mess.

Great info though. Anywhere we can see this interview? You Tube or something?

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1 hour ago, JLMoran said:

So yeah, totally the right call to Lift & Shift before Celebrity can cancel the cruise and leave me with FCC that won't cover next year's much higher pricing.

I completely agree with you on this. This is precisely why we L&S'd our September Allure cruise, plus not having to make final payment on a cruise which I am pretty sure Royal will eventually cancel.

It's a very bittersweet feeling, though. 😞

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1 hour ago, JLMoran said:

So yeah, totally the right call to Lift & Shift before Celebrity can cancel the cruise and leave me with FCC that won't cover next year's much higher pricing.

Did you Lift and Shift to next year's cruise?

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15 minutes ago, RCIfan1912 said:

I guess this isn't great news for our Oasis cruise from NJ to Coco Cay Sept. 6th. What a mess this entire thing is. I mean just a mess, total mess.

Great info though. Anywhere we can see this interview? You Tube or something?

I'm holding my sept 20th out of Jersey until the last second.

 

I'm in jersey and in the medical field, I'm pretty confident things will be moving by then.

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32 minutes ago, RCIfan1912 said:

I guess this isn't great news for our Oasis cruise from NJ to Coco Cay Sept. 6th. What a mess this entire thing is. I mean just a mess, total mess.

 

3 minutes ago, bossdog421 said:

I'm holding my sept 20th out of Jersey until the last second.

I'm in jersey and in the medical field, I'm pretty confident things will be moving by then.

I'm holding onto my RLS on OA 08/23/2020 until they cancel too because the only option I want to L&S it to next August is a no-go.  So I will take my 125FCC from this August (I am already assuming that I won't be going) and moving it to my booking for next August.

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Another quote from the Q&A w/ Michael Bayley:

"Through the lens of COVID-19, it's really about density and space. I think people may assume because there's less people on a smaller ship, that makes it better, but that's really not correct. A larger ship has a lot more space."

Bingo! Exactly what I was thinking when some folks felt smaller ships are much "safer" or "better" to sail on under these circumstances.

Density is the absolute key. I'd much rather be spread out on a huge Oasis class ship with all of the ocean view and interior balconies, all of the neighborhoods like Central Park and the Boardwalk, huge split pool deck, huge mostly open solarium, huge sports area, etc. Tons of dining options to spread out... on and on. The smaller, older ships are much more limited when it comes to open air deck space and number of balconies, but they'll figure it out!

 

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21 minutes ago, bossdog421 said:

I'm holding my sept 20th out of Jersey until the last second.

 

I'm in jersey and in the medical field, I'm pretty confident things will be moving by then.

Me too, I really want to go. May 10 was cancelled on us and we rescheduled for Sept so it's something we really want to do. 

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1 hour ago, bossdog421 said:

I'm holding my sept 20th out of Jersey until the last second.

 

I'm in jersey and in the medical field, I'm pretty confident things will be moving by then.

I hope you're right! 😊

We're going back and forth... will probably hold out on any decision to Lift & Shift our 10/04/20 Oasis sailing until mid-July.

 

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4 hours ago, Shari said:

Did you Lift and Shift to next year's cruise?

Yup, L&S to Aug 1, 2021. Strictly speaking, not done yet -- my TA still hasn't sent me the updated invoice and I also don't see the update on Celebrity. But I have told him that I definitely want to do it, and I'm assuming it's just a matter of him (or his staff) getting through to Celebrity around ridiculous call times and making it happen. But I'm confident it will be done before Royal announces a cancellation of cruises past July 31.

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14 hours ago, JohnK6404 said:

Another quote from the Q&A w/ Michael Bayley:

"Through the lens of COVID-19, it's really about density and space. I think people may assume because there's less people on a smaller ship, that makes it better, but that's really not correct. A larger ship has a lot more space."

Bingo! Exactly what I was thinking when some folks felt smaller ships are much "safer" or "better" to sail on under these circumstances.

Density is the absolute key. I'd much rather be spread out on a huge Oasis class ship with all of the ocean view and interior balconies, all of the neighborhoods like Central Park and the Boardwalk, huge split pool deck, huge mostly open solarium, huge sports area, etc. Tons of dining options to spread out... on and on. The smaller, older ships are much more limited when it comes to open air deck space and number of balconies. They'll figure it out!

 

And this points to what my friend (former hotel director on Oasis) guessed that oasis class would go first. I would imagine Mariner and Navigator as well. 

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I also picked up that he planned to be on Allure for the President’s Cruise October 25. Of course that could have just been “throw them all a bone” type thing but that’s really encouraging since it’s a European (med) cruise. 
 

Surely by then they’d have a couple months of sailings under their belt before embarking on such a huge event as President’s cruise. 

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13 minutes ago, Jill said:

And this points to what my friend (former hotel director on Oasis) guessed that oasis class would go first. I would imagine Mariner and Navigator as well. 

I hope this is correct, we are Oasis Sept 6th. 

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8-3-20 Independence, 5 day,  only CoCoCay and Labadee Stops.  Fingers crossed that this shorter cruise with only their private island itinerary kind of fits the description of what he talked about.  One can hope! 

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15 hours ago, RCIfan1912 said:

I guess this isn't great news for our Oasis cruise from NJ to Coco Cay Sept. 6th.

I would think it is the complete opposite.  

Your cruise checks off 2 items right off the bat.  Best ship and going to Coco Cay.  The ship also checks off the mark regarding density since it has Central Park and Boardwalk.  Plus a ton of restaurants.  Everything that Michael Bayley stated in his Q & A.

36 minutes ago, Jill said:

Density is the absolute key. I'd much rather be spread out on a huge Oasis class ship with all of the ocean view and interior balconies, all of the neighborhoods like Central Park and the Boardwalk, huge split pool deck, huge mostly open solarium, huge sports area, etc. Tons of dining options to spread out... on and on. The smaller, older ships are much more limited when it comes to open air deck space and number of balconies. They'll figure it out!

Now had you said you were going on Adventure than maybe I would agree with you because Adventure, as intimate as it is, only has 3 specialty dining options, 4 of you count JR and only 2 pools.  

For me, regarding sailing out of Bayonne, I wonder where this places Anthem.  She has everything on the check list, minus 1.  The neighborhoods.  The one true negative I have always had with Anthem is the Esplanade.  No need to wait in line to drive the bumper cars on a sea day when they are having their sidewalk sales, just go down to the Esplanade! 

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Here's a question regarding what Michael Bayley stated and looking at Cape Liberty.

"It's pretty logical that when we restart our operations, when everything's good and when we've got everything figured out, that it will be the most popular products on the most popular itineraries with the best ships going to the best destinations.

 

Typically the ships out of Bayonne during their season will sail 1 trip to NE and the next sailing will than go to the Caribbean.  We all expect that Canada will not open anytime soon for cruising.  However, I wonder if they will just change the itinerary and skip Canada.  They could stop at Boston, Portland and Bar Harbor.   

I query this because he said most popular destinations and best ships.  Oasis and Anthem both sail out of Liberty.  They can send Oasis northbound and Anthem southbound, than repeat like they usually do, with Oasis southbound while Anthem goes northbound.  

I get why he stated Coco Cay 1st, but again, I pose this because from a social distancing aspect I doubt they will have multiple large ships at Coco Cay on the same day.  

Plus, the NE cruises are very popular because not everyone wants to be on a beach,  and my best guess would be by Aug. 1 all of the US ports for that itinerary would be open.  

I also think there is 1 more reason why they maybe looking deep into that itinerary.  HURRICANES.  Let's assume they start July 26th.  That is peak hurricane season.  It allows them to double down.  If a hurricane is barreling down on Coco Cay, they just sail out up north.  

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11 minutes ago, Pima1988 said:

my best guess would be by Aug. 1 all of the US ports for that itinerary would be open.

That's entirely possible, but if NJ doesn't open the port it's all moot. Hudson County, where Bayonne is located, is one of the larger hotspots and includes Jersey City and Hoboken, the county's largest cities. While Cape Liberty is quite isolated, as others have noted, that by itself may not be enough to convince the governor or the county leadership to reopen it and risk having another flare-up from an influx of tourists.

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As of tomorrow (5/15), Maryland's shifting from "Stay at Home" to "Safer at Home". We're basically beginning Phase One of the four-phase reopening plan. This one was based on two weeks of data. So, if we continue the trend, we'll move forward in two-week chunks. Of course, the plan makes no mention of what phase would include the reopening of the Cruise Maryland Terminal in Baltimore.

My original cruise that brought me to RCCL (9 nights aboard Grandeur to Canada/NE from Baltimore) would've been leaving today.

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