princevaliantus Posted July 31, 2019 Report Posted July 31, 2019 New pier project in Grand Cayman in a joint venture by two of the biggest cruise lines !! See cruisefever.net article: https://cruisefever.net/carnival-cruise-line-and-royal-caribbean-will-help-finance-pier-on-grand-cayman/?fbclid=IwAR0bHQP-GNXBxbadjLIatVUaRo-2dBqGl-RoPBO5wiWZkUeMEdD1AoFutm8 cruisestuff, CruiseLife72, YOLO and 2 others 3 2 Quote
Skid Posted July 31, 2019 Report Posted July 31, 2019 2 hours ago, princevaliantus said: New pier project in Grand Cayman in a joint venture by two of the biggest cruise lines !! See cruisefever.net article: https://cruisefever.net/carnival-cruise-line-and-royal-caribbean-will-help-finance-pier-on-grand-cayman/?fbclid=IwAR0bHQP-GNXBxbadjLIatVUaRo-2dBqGl-RoPBO5wiWZkUeMEdD1AoFutm8 From the article: "The project is expected to cost up to $200 million to build and will take two and a half years to complete. Each passenger that visits Grand Cayman will be levied with a $8 per head fee." I may be off here, but didn't doing EVERYTHING on Cococay cost about $250 million including the pier AND take less than 2.5 years to complete? This will take more time and 80% of that money for just a pier? Can there be any Perfect Day features even though Carnival is involved? What am I missing? RWDW1204 1 Quote
TXcruzer Posted July 31, 2019 Report Posted July 31, 2019 6 minutes ago, Skid said: I may be off here, but didn't doing EVERYTHING on Cococay cost about $250 million including the pier AND take less than 2.5 years to complete? This will take more time and 80% of that money for just a pier? Can there be any Perfect Day features even though Carnival is involved? What am I missing? There isn’t enough information or any real facts in this article to know much of anything. Skid 1 Quote
monctonguy Posted July 31, 2019 Report Posted July 31, 2019 Very interesting...although from reading the actual paper article it appears its not 100% yet as residents there could potentially stop or delay it. But it would be nice for this place to be a more accessible port. I missed it the only time I was supposed to tender there. Skid 1 Quote
WAAAYTOOO Posted July 31, 2019 Report Posted July 31, 2019 Personally, I don’t see it ever happening. Too much local resistance Skid, fonemanbob, MikeK and 1 other 3 1 Quote
AshleyDillo Posted July 31, 2019 Report Posted July 31, 2019 2 hours ago, Skid said: This will take more time and 80% of that money for just a pier? I would imagine they would work on developing a port area along with the pier..think along the lines of Costa Maya or Falmouth..and that figures into the costs. Hoski and Skid 2 Quote
VinceC Posted July 31, 2019 Report Posted July 31, 2019 In February DISNEY Joined the Venture and it is my understanding that MSC had joined in May.. https://www.caymancompass.com/2019/02/21/disney-to-help-finance-cruise-pier-project/ Skid and Hoski 2 Quote
OrlandoC Posted July 31, 2019 Report Posted July 31, 2019 3 hours ago, Skid said: From the article: "The project is expected to cost up to $200 million to build and will take two and a half years to complete. Each passenger that visits Grand Cayman will be levied with a $8 per head fee." I may be off here, but didn't doing EVERYTHING on Cococay cost about $250 million including the pier AND take less than 2.5 years to complete? This will take more time and 80% of that money for just a pier? Can there be any Perfect Day features even though Carnival is involved? What am I missing? It's also a different country with different labor and material costs. Skid 1 Quote
Floski Posted July 31, 2019 Report Posted July 31, 2019 LetsTryThisPlace should be able to shed some light on this, she/he lives there. Quote
Fuzzywuzzy Posted July 31, 2019 Report Posted July 31, 2019 3 hours ago, VinceC said: In February DISNEY Joined the Venture and it is my understanding that MSC had joined in May.. https://www.caymancompass.com/2019/02/21/disney-to-help-finance-cruise-pier-project/ The more the merrier. It's an American tradition, if you have a problem, throw money at it. Quote
Andrew72681 Posted August 1, 2019 Report Posted August 1, 2019 On 7/31/2019 at 12:15 PM, OrlandoC said: It's also a different country with different labor and material costs. I’d second that. Compared to the Bahamas the workers in Grand Cayman appear to be compensated well and like being there. Quote
Susie Posted August 1, 2019 Report Posted August 1, 2019 On 7/31/2019 at 2:46 PM, Fuzzywuzzy said: The more the merrier. It's an American tradition, if you have a problem, throw money at it. I don't think MSC is American cruise line. It is Italian. Quote
Fuzzywuzzy Posted August 2, 2019 Report Posted August 2, 2019 2 hours ago, Susie said: I don't think MSC is American cruise line. It is Italian. No. It's Swiss. But that wasn't where I was going..... Jmccaffrey 1 Quote
Susie Posted August 2, 2019 Report Posted August 2, 2019 38 minutes ago, Fuzzywuzzy said: No. It's Swiss. But that wasn't where I was going..... https://www.msccruisesusa.com/en-us/About-MSC.aspx Definitely Italian. MotleyCruiser 1 Quote
twangster Posted August 2, 2019 Report Posted August 2, 2019 Breaking news !! The cruise lines have been working together for years. There are projects each does on their own and their are initiatives they collaborate on. They even have joint ventures for this purpose, from a legal stance. Like all stuff we see, when a ship pulls up to a destination, only then is it real. Pen and Fuzzywuzzy 2 Quote
OrlandoC Posted August 2, 2019 Report Posted August 2, 2019 13 hours ago, Susie said: https://www.msccruisesusa.com/en-us/About-MSC.aspx Definitely Italian. MSC (the shipping company that owns the cruise line) was founded in Italy in 1970 but moved to Geneva in 1978. Lauro Lines (the line that became MSC Cruises) was also Italian but it was purchased by MSC in the 80s and is now based in Geneva too. Fuzzywuzzy 1 Quote
KathyC Posted August 3, 2019 Report Posted August 3, 2019 On 7/31/2019 at 12:35 PM, Floski said: LetsTryThisPlace should be able to shed some light on this, she/he lives there. Paging @LetsTryThisPlace, Josh, as you out there? Quote
CruiseGus Posted August 4, 2019 Report Posted August 4, 2019 bump for comment @LetsTryThisPlace my understanding is local concerns are about the effects on the reefs? Quote
LetsTryThisPlace Posted August 5, 2019 Report Posted August 5, 2019 A port will happen eventually not sure it will be as shown now because people are upset because the government fired there environmental person because they didn't like what they were saying and they haven't proven they have done their research fully. I myself do not agree with the current proposal as it will damage some of towns best reefs (attractions people come here to see). I have seen other locations with better solutions to be honest. I do believe its more about the money then anything (some works are not paid as well as you would think especially in the construction field). It will happen just not sure when or if this will be how it will look. I do fear we will lose some of the brands that come here that aren't part of this deal and I honestly don't know if the port is worth it (ports are nice but at that price I don't know). *Rant over lol* Ken23, CruiseGus, KathyC and 1 other 1 3 Quote
MotleyCruiser Posted August 9, 2019 Report Posted August 9, 2019 On 8/2/2019 at 10:56 AM, OrlandoC said: MSC (the shipping company that owns the cruise line) was founded in Italy in 1970 but moved to Geneva in 1978. Lauro Lines (the line that became MSC Cruises) was also Italian but it was purchased by MSC in the 80s and is now based in Geneva too. Italian. Ship are registered in Switzerland. Like Disney's are registered in Panama & RCCL are registered in Bahamas Quote
twangster Posted August 9, 2019 Report Posted August 9, 2019 7 minutes ago, MotleyCruiser said: Italian. Ship are registered in Switzerland. Like Disney's are registered in Panama & RCCL are registered in Bahamas MSC ships are registered in Panama with a few in Malta so they can operate in the EU (much like Royal's one token ship registered in Malta). The Italian business environment wasn't favorable so they moved to Geneva. The company is registered in Geneva just as your post indicates. They market themselves as Italian though which is where the company was originally founded before moving to Switzerland. Susie 1 Quote
WAAAYTOOO Posted August 9, 2019 Report Posted August 9, 2019 Money will go where it’s treated best. Quote
Flacruiser99 Posted August 9, 2019 Report Posted August 9, 2019 On 7/31/2019 at 8:52 AM, Skid said: From the article: "The project is expected to cost up to $200 million to build and will take two and a half years to complete. Each passenger that visits Grand Cayman will be levied with a $8 per head fee." I may be off here, but didn't doing EVERYTHING on Cococay cost about $250 million including the pier AND take less than 2.5 years to complete? This will take more time and 80% of that money for just a pier? Can there be any Perfect Day features even though Carnival is involved? What am I missing? It's Grand Cayman!! nothing is cheap there. Skid 1 Quote
LetsTryThisPlace Posted August 13, 2019 Report Posted August 13, 2019 On 8/9/2019 at 2:39 PM, Flacruiser99 said: It's Grand Cayman!! nothing is cheap there. Nope and my fear is more people will just go eat back on the ship because its so pricey here taking away the income we are supposed to be getting from it. Quote
AshleyDillo Posted August 13, 2019 Report Posted August 13, 2019 10 minutes ago, LetsTryThisPlace said: Nope and my fear is more people will just go eat back on the ship because its so pricey here taking away the income we are supposed to be getting from it. That will definitely be an option for many when they get the pier built. Tenders took long enough to dissuade this when I went to Grand Cayman. Quote
Flacruiser99 Posted August 20, 2019 Report Posted August 20, 2019 On 8/13/2019 at 1:17 PM, LetsTryThisPlace said: Nope and my fear is more people will just go eat back on the ship because its so pricey here taking away the income we are supposed to be getting from it. On the other hand a lot more folks will visit. Many folks myself included avoid tender ports. Quote
Sea Turtle Posted August 24, 2019 Report Posted August 24, 2019 On 7/31/2019 at 11:05 AM, AshleyDillo said: I would imagine they would work on developing a port area along with the pier..think along the lines of Costa Maya or Falmouth..and that figures into the costs. Oh, no!!! Not like Costa Maya or Falmouth, please!!!! Quote
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