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18 minutes ago, Matt said:

I chose to retweet because it is the only legal insight I have found on the merits of the case.

The guy is clearly a cruise hater and I'm not a fan of his by any means. However, there are a lot of eye balls on this case and I have yet to find any other look at the legal standing of what to expect.

Trust me, I get it feels "dirty" going to his site. But I think there's a difference between reading one article and checking it everyday.

I appreciate the feedback.

You do a great job with this site, @Matt and I appreciate your explanation.  I get it and, unfortunately, the ambulance chaser may ultimate be right regarding outcome of today’s hearing. We’ll see?

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I have no details but I will find the suit and read it. I just posted in another thread I was hoping someone would try. You have to love Desantis!

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16 minutes ago, mook1525 said:

Will there be any kind of outcome today? If so what time?

 

thanks

The hearing was scheduled for 9am today. It likely has already commenced and concluded. We don't really have a timeline on when the judge will produce any orders. It can be assumed all parties involved will want an expedient ruling, however to my knowledge there's no specific timeline applied to preliminary injunctions.

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10 minutes ago, danv3 said:

Usually you can predict the outcome from comments the judge makes during the hearing.  Did any reporters attend (live or virtual)?  

We should’ve gotten Tampa peeps to watch their noon news. 

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Can't belive journalists weren't in the courtroom. Appears the case was heard by Merryday. That's good. HHS attorney's first claim was that FL didn't have standing. I felt if it made it past that technical obstacle good chance FL would prevail. 

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A week? Don't think so. This was an expedited or emergency hearing that the court granted (that's a positve). I think its imminent. One possibility is that the Judge has invited the parties to meet under the threat that he's told them one or the other has made a case. 

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At this point the CDC has so much egg on its face. They are even receiving criticism from main stream media- who have been towing their ridiculous agenda for a year. The latest was letting the teacher’s unions tell the CDC not to open schools. Their messaging is all over the place. Congress is grilling them as we speak. 

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7 minutes ago, Jill said:

At this point the CDC has so much egg on its face. They are even receiving criticism from main stream media- who have been towing their ridiculous agenda for a year. The latest was letting the teacher’s unions tell the CDC not to open schools. Their messaging is all over the place. Congress is grilling them as we speak. 

Yes, they are losing the public with slow, outdated guidelines. The guidelines for children summer camps are also a tipping point of public opinion. Walensky didnt fare well yesterday in Congressional hearing. 

And for all the talk of vaccine hesitancy, the CDC is contributing to it by their outdated guidelines for vaccinated people. 

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I have viewed the law suit since it's filing as having wide ranging implications for the CDC's authority to impose restrictions on business activity, mobility and behaviors. In fact, legislation that has recently been advanced with implications for the cruise industry has focused on limiting the CDC's power to do the kinds of things they did, not just to the cruise industry, but by fiat to large segments of the economy. To limit their powers to unilaterally shut things down, even in a declared PHE without appropriate oversight that balances the cost of restrictions versus the benefits to PH is something that, IMO, is urgently needed.

The outcome of the FL lawsuit is potentially a seminal event in those deliberations regarding Congress' oversight of the executive and other branches of government. Accordingly, Merryday is probably taking his time, doing some cosulting and getting briefed on the implications of an injunction should he be considering that. What this might produce is an injunction against enforcement of the CSO with narrowly defined limits that would apply only to U.S.C 42.

This kind of thing could, indeed, take some time to work out the details of what his ruling will actually say.  

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1 hour ago, twangster said:

The CDC knows they were being ridiculous.  

Well, I'm not sure they have a clue that much of their pandemic guidance has, from the beginning, lacked good data to back up that guidance. Early on there wasn't good data so, OK. We should play along. However, it's become increasingly obvious that most of their guidance is not based on the abundance of data that became available by fall, 2020 and is even more robust as I write this.

For me, the "in abundance of caution" approach that has back-stopped their guidance and their messaging has created unwanted outcomes more deleterious to both US PH interests and her economy than it has produced PH benefits.

I think it telling that there has been no acknowledgement of that, no significant pull back. That indicates to me the top decision makers are living in an alternate reality, self created with opposing views being silenced in a typical "trust me, I'm the government, we know what we are doing, and we're here to help" mentality. 

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