princevaliantus Posted April 3, 2021 Report Share Posted April 3, 2021 Can this be another sign of more cancellations coming? Signals coming from NCL's website, if history repeats itself, as it has been doing for the past year, well ... you know the rest of the story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanS Posted April 3, 2021 Report Share Posted April 3, 2021 Interesting - you can't book through August? Maybe they are preparing for some test cruises! Vanessa77 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
princevaliantus Posted April 3, 2021 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2021 I'm curious as to what's cooking ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted April 3, 2021 Report Share Posted April 3, 2021 Based on the "guidance" from the CDC, this makes total sense. cruisellama 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KathyC Posted April 4, 2021 Report Share Posted April 4, 2021 (edited) Apparently when I try to read the boards from my phone I can't see everything so I missed the name of the cruise line. Edited April 5, 2021 by KathyC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reigert2008 Posted April 4, 2021 Report Share Posted April 4, 2021 29 minutes ago, KathyC said: I see some sailings during that time: The original post included images from the Norwegian Cruiseline site, which is not relevant to Royal Caribbean's plans. I understand everyone is on "pins and needles" and wants to know what the status of their cruise may be, but i personally don't think it's healthy to speculate based on the actions of another company. Royal has provided us with many options to manage our vacations and if you are "on the fence" about going, you can certainly take action on your own, with the understanding that you may "miss out" on a potential "deal" they may offer if they cancel on thier own. Will they cancel? will they not? The only correct answer is that no one knows until it is announced, so it's not helpful to your stress levels to worry about what "may happen". My advice is to make your own personal decision, based on the facts you have at the time. Make the best decision you can and move forward. Life is too short and you never know what could happen (as we've all learned) so live life to the fullest and enjoy it. I'm a "planner" type person and the uncertainty is extremely frustrating, but I also want to go on the vacation i had originally planned, so we have some "backup options" that we could pull the trigger on should a future cruise get canceled. Stay Safe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike.s Posted April 4, 2021 Report Share Posted April 4, 2021 10 hours ago, princevaliantus said: Can this be another sign of more cancellations coming? Signals coming from NCL's website, if history repeats itself, as it has been doing for the past year, well ... you know the rest of the story. Well that's cans our July NCL cruise, and frees us up to book a round the UK cruise or 2. We were struggling to choose between trying something new (Celebrity) or sticking with Anthem, perhaps we can do both Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 01020 Posted April 4, 2021 Report Share Posted April 4, 2021 Lots of shuffling going on. I had a Greece cruise on hold with NCL for October. I tried to pay the deposit this morning, but it's no longer available. I also had an NCL Bermuda cruise from New York bookmarked, and that too is no longer available. It sure feels like 2021 is going to be another "lost" year for cruising. cruisellama 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
princevaliantus Posted April 4, 2021 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2021 28 minutes ago, Craig 01020 said: I had a Greece cruise on hold with NCL for October. I tried to pay the deposit this morning, but it's no longer available. Really? Well there goes the September Med cruise I booked. That sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 01020 Posted April 4, 2021 Report Share Posted April 4, 2021 23 minutes ago, princevaliantus said: Well there goes the September Med cruise I booked. Maybe not, because there are still others, just not the one I chose. cruisellama 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted April 4, 2021 Report Share Posted April 4, 2021 Didn't NCL cancel those a while ago? I seem to recall a headline of NCL cancelling some ships through like November. I think we all assumed to be re-deployed like Royal is doing. Baked Alaska and Sharla 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
princevaliantus Posted April 4, 2021 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2021 NCL's sailing suspensions were through June 2021 per their last announcement copy below. Supposedly, there is a new announcement forthcoming per C S. Rep I spoke with. Updated March 16, 2021: Your safety is our #1 priority—both on and off our ships. Due to the current global environment, we are extending the suspension of cruises to include all cruises embarking through June 2021. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted April 4, 2021 Report Share Posted April 4, 2021 So this is different than this: Norwegian Cancels Select Voyages Through November Due To Redeployment ? Baked Alaska 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGTLH Posted April 4, 2021 Report Share Posted April 4, 2021 17 minutes ago, Matt said: So this is different than this: Norwegian Cancels Select Voyages Through November Due To Redeployment ? Seems to be. Before I could see various sailings in July. Example was looking up sailings for Pride of America. Other thought is NCL has put in place a stop sale so further bookings can't be made. Just think it is too soon to blanket cancel two more months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruisellama Posted April 4, 2021 Report Share Posted April 4, 2021 If we're in Phase 2B, in theory, should be open to test cruises after the gov't processes and approves the request (which provides all the risk mitigation processes 60-day review). Then 30 days for sail certificate. So minimum of 90 days of processing paper. Those cruises will need to be less than 7 days despite the rest of the world. Maximum time lag is unknown. If still 2A, we're still chasing our tails, and clock can't even start. '21 is fading. jticarruthers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted April 4, 2021 Report Share Posted April 4, 2021 28 minutes ago, cruisellama said: If we're in Phase 2B, in theory, should be open to test cruises after the gov't processes and approves the request (which provides all the risk mitigation processes 60-day review). Then 30 days for sail certificate. So minimum of 90 days of processing paper. Those cruises will need to be less than 7 days despite the rest of the world. Maximum time lag is unknown. If still 2A, we're still chasing our tails, and clock can't even start. '21 is fading. We are in phase 2a. Phase 2b is the simulated voyages. CSO introduced: Oct. 2020. CSO phase 2a details provided: Apr. 2021. I'm sure the phase 2a approvals leading to phase 2b simulated voyages will be approved promptly. By CDC standards prompt is between six and eighteen months. cruisellama, SteveinSC, jticarruthers and 2 others 2 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaritimeR&R Posted April 4, 2021 Report Share Posted April 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Matt said: So this is different than this: Norwegian Cancels Select Voyages Through November Due To Redeployment ? Yes, it is Matt. When the question was asked on the NCL FB webpage, this was the response given: "With the COVID-19 pandemic continuing to impact communities and ports around the globe, we are working to determine our next course of action. While we evaluate the opportunity to resume with sailings, we have temporarily frozen voyages that might be impacted should we need to delay sailing further. Please bear with us. We will make a decision shortly and will provide information as it becomes available." Craig 01020 and Matt 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
princevaliantus Posted April 4, 2021 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2021 23 hours ago, KathyC said: I see some sailings during that time: Did you notice it's NCL and not RCG? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jticarruthers Posted April 4, 2021 Report Share Posted April 4, 2021 Did Royal cancel June yet (Except for the OUS cruises) or is that still to come? I know NCL cancelled June, thought Royal was still holding on to it but that basically has to go soon right ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxboroCruiser Posted April 4, 2021 Report Share Posted April 4, 2021 10 minutes ago, jticarruthers said: Did Royal cancel June yet (Except for the OUS cruises) or is that still to come? I know NCL cancelled June, thought Royal was still holding on to it but that basically has to go soon right ? No official word yet... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted April 4, 2021 Report Share Posted April 4, 2021 Unless cruise lines have a back door deal with the CDC (doubtful at this point) there's no way June is happening after the CDC's latest update. princevaliantus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted April 4, 2021 Report Share Posted April 4, 2021 When they cancelled May on March 9 it was 53 days to the first day of May. Not that this is some sort of magic number that is always the lead time, but using 53 days as an example, that would be April 9th relative to June 1st. Sharla 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandyW Posted April 4, 2021 Report Share Posted April 4, 2021 On 4/3/2021 at 6:25 PM, princevaliantus said: Can this be another sign of more cancellations coming? Signals coming from NCL's website, if history repeats itself, as it has been doing for the past year, well ... you know the rest of the story. Watched Governor Ron DeSantis with Dept. of Transportation Secretary and the Florida Attorney General with reps from RCCL, NCL, MSC, Disney and Carnival and it was mentioned that the no sail order is in effect until the end of October 2021. Here is my proof: https://www.portcanaveral.com/About/Recent-News/Governor-Ron-DeSantis-Highlights-Florida's-Vital-C It was stated in the video that the CDC is in over-reach, and I said this on this blog months ago and got slammed for saying it, but here we are still not cruising because of the CDC. princevaliantus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonOasis Posted April 5, 2021 Report Share Posted April 5, 2021 I'm surprised that both Norwegian but especially Carnival aren't doing the same thing Royal Caribbean is doing by offering a limited number of cruises out of Nassau or some other island. They almost seem to have been caught off guard by Royal Caribbeans decision to sail out of Nassau and Bermuda. Knowing that it takes planning to pull off what Royal Caribbean is doing, it looks like while Royal was working a their contingency plan to jump start their cruise season both Carnival and Norwegian were sitting on the sidelines hoping the CDC would come through. I found it quite funny last week watching Christine Duffy's video where she claims Carnival is America's cruise line as she struggled to come up with several reasons (excuses in my book) as to why Carnival would not temporarily reassign a small number of ships to new homeports in the Caribbean or Bermuda. Regardless to what Norwegian does it is clear Royal Caribbean is charting its own path and if the CDC won't let them resume cruising from US ports they will simply find another port within striking distance. Judging from the response, homeporting in Nassau and Bermuda is paying off for Royal and it wouldn't surprise me if both Norwegian and Carnival are kicking themselves in the rear end asking why didn't we think of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruising With JT Posted April 5, 2021 Report Share Posted April 5, 2021 Honestly I would be shocked if any cruises sail from US ports in 2021. I hate to be pessimistic but I feel like I am being realistic. We all want cruising to start so bad from the US and even with all that has been done the past few weeks the CDC still came out with a joke of an update. It seems so obvious that cruises are not sailing from the US anytime soon, but they will from non-US ports. I am totally okay with that, I just hope they move my Symphony cruise early next year away from Miami instead of cancelling it. I don't mind flying a little bit further like Nassau to get on a ship, flying all the way across the county as it is! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mianmike Posted April 5, 2021 Report Share Posted April 5, 2021 7 hours ago, SandyW said: Watched Governor Ron DeSantis with Dept. of Transportation Secretary and the Florida Attorney General with reps from RCCL, NCL, MSC, Disney and Carnival and it was mentioned that the no sail order is in effect until the end of October 2021. Here is my proof: https://www.portcanaveral.com/About/Recent-News/Governor-Ron-DeSantis-Highlights-Florida's-Vital-C It was stated in the video that the CDC is in over-reach, and I said this on this blog months ago and got slammed for saying it, but here we are still not cruising because of the CDC. I saw that. There is no longer a "No Sail" order. I was surprised to hear people who should know better saying that. The "No Sail Order" was replaced months ago (Oct 30th) by the "Conditional Sailing Order" which could allow sailing to begin assuming the cruise lines jumped through all the hoops. Unfortunately the CDC has been dragging their feet and the cruise lines didn't know what hoops they had to jump through. In theory, had the CDC been more forthcoming and proactive the cruise lines could have been sailing soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jticarruthers Posted April 5, 2021 Report Share Posted April 5, 2021 3 hours ago, mianmike said: I saw that. There is no longer a "No Sail" order. I was surprised to hear people who should know better saying that. The "No Sail Order" was replaced months ago (Oct 30th) by the "Conditional Sailing Order" which could allow sailing to begin assuming the cruise lines jumped through all the hoops. Unfortunately the CDC has been dragging their feet and the cruise lines didn't know what hoops they had to jump through. In theory, had the CDC been more forthcoming and proactive the cruise lines could have been sailing soon. A Conditional Sail Order with the conditions not defined is the same thing as a No Sail Order. RWDW1204 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
princevaliantus Posted April 5, 2021 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2021 23 minutes ago, jticarruthers said: A Conditional Sail Order with the conditions not defined is the same thing as a No Sail Order. You are 100% correct. It's just the same horse of a different color. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steverk Posted April 5, 2021 Report Share Posted April 5, 2021 9 hours ago, JasonOasis said: I'm surprised that both Norwegian but especially Carnival aren't doing the same thing Royal Caribbean is doing by offering a limited number of cruises out of Nassau or some other island. They almost seem to have been caught off guard by Royal Caribbeans decision to sail out of Nassau and Bermuda. Knowing that it takes planning to pull off what Royal Caribbean is doing, it looks like while Royal was working a their contingency plan to jump start their cruise season both Carnival and Norwegian were sitting on the sidelines hoping the CDC would come through. I found it quite funny last week watching Christine Duffy's video where she claims Carnival is America's cruise line as she struggled to come up with several reasons (excuses in my book) as to why Carnival would not temporarily reassign a small number of ships to new homeports in the Caribbean or Bermuda. Regardless to what Norwegian does it is clear Royal Caribbean is charting its own path and if the CDC won't let them resume cruising from US ports they will simply find another port within striking distance. Judging from the response, homeporting in Nassau and Bermuda is paying off for Royal and it wouldn't surprise me if both Norwegian and Carnival are kicking themselves in the rear end asking why didn't we think of this. As you've mentioned, it takes a lot of advanced planning to stage a ship out of a port. Royal must have been working on this since the beginning of the year. Perhaps longer. Carnival and NCL must have felt that the CDC was acting in good faith. Royal may or may not have felt the same, but at least hedged their bets. This isn't the first time that Royal has outmaneuvered the whale tail. princevaliantus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jticarruthers Posted April 5, 2021 Report Share Posted April 5, 2021 I think Carnival is also being a little more cautious about tweaking the government directly since they have additional restrictions on them due to past pollution complaints. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted April 5, 2021 Report Share Posted April 5, 2021 41 minutes ago, steverk said: As you've mentioned, it takes a lot of advanced planning to stage a ship out of a port. Royal must have been working on this since the beginning of the year. Perhaps longer. Carnival and NCL must have felt that the CDC was acting in good faith. Royal may or may not have felt the same, but at least hedged their bets. This isn't the first time that Royal has outmaneuvered the whale tail. Carnival's president took a cheap shot without naming Royal by suggesting how they aren't looking to move away from US ports as if it is somehow un-American. Realizing she was painting herself into a corner she then added "...unless we have to". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted April 5, 2021 Report Share Posted April 5, 2021 Looks like NCLH is going to require vaccinations in a bid to convince the CDC to let them sail in July. https://www.nclhltdinvestor.com/news-releases/news-release-details/norwegian-cruise-line-holdings-ltd-submits-plan-cdc-and-will-be By requiring full and complete vaccinations of guests and crew, the Company believes it shares in the spirit and exceeds the intent of the CDC’s Conditional Sailing Order (“CSO”) to advance mutual public health goals and protect guests, crew and the communities it visits. Norwegian trusts and is optimistic the CDC will agree that mandatory vaccination requirements eliminate the need for the CSO and therefore requests for the lifting of the order for Norwegian’s vessels, allowing them to cruise from U.S. ports starting July 4. The Company looks forward to its continued partnership with the CDC in recommencing operations with 100% vaccinated guests and crew aboard and reduced capacity initially as part of a phased-in launch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted April 5, 2021 Report Share Posted April 5, 2021 11 minutes ago, twangster said: Looks like NCLH is going to require vaccinations in a bid to convince the CDC to let them sail in July. https://www.nclhltdinvestor.com/news-releases/news-release-details/norwegian-cruise-line-holdings-ltd-submits-plan-cdc-and-will-be By requiring full and complete vaccinations of guests and crew, the Company believes it shares in the spirit and exceeds the intent of the CDC’s Conditional Sailing Order (“CSO”) to advance mutual public health goals and protect guests, crew and the communities it visits. Norwegian trusts and is optimistic the CDC will agree that mandatory vaccination requirements eliminate the need for the CSO and therefore requests for the lifting of the order for Norwegian’s vessels, allowing them to cruise from U.S. ports starting July 4. The Company looks forward to its continued partnership with the CDC in recommencing operations with 100% vaccinated guests and crew aboard and reduced capacity initially as part of a phased-in launch. Seems a little late for that desperate move since the CDC all but said they're locked into the CSO for the duration Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted April 5, 2021 Report Share Posted April 5, 2021 8 minutes ago, smokeybandit said: Seems a little late for that desperate move since the CDC all but said they're locked into the CSO for the duration It will be interesting to see how this plays out. The CDC may not have legal grounds to mandate a vaccine. A cruise line submitting a plan that requires them is another matter. Now the question becomes... does NCL requiring vaccinations violate Florida's no vaccination passport executive order? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted April 5, 2021 Report Share Posted April 5, 2021 At this point the CDC isn't mandating a vaccine because they really can't as long as it's just an EUA authorization. It seems the only thing the cruise lines see as a way to fast forward past the CSO is with vaccines (fair thought process). But I don't see it working since the CDC easily could have included language that would incentivize cruise lines prioritizing vaccines, even without an outright mandate. Instead it just said "hey, if you can, get vaccinated" sammy79 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted April 5, 2021 Report Share Posted April 5, 2021 I love what NCL is doing here, but my prediction is nothing happens. CDC says and does nothing. I base that on the fact up until this point, that has been their standard operating procedure. steverk and sammy79 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNCFanatik Posted April 5, 2021 Report Share Posted April 5, 2021 I wonder how NCL is handling those under 16? Will they follow Royal with negative tests required for quest under 16 or will they prohibit those who cannot get vaccine who are under 16? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted April 5, 2021 Report Share Posted April 5, 2021 7 minutes ago, UNCFanatik said: I wonder how NCL is handling those under 16? Will they follow Royal with negative tests required for quest under 16 or will they prohibit those who cannot get vaccine who are under 16? It would be quite a power play to actually mean "all" people vaccinated. For now I assume that to mean "all who are age-eligible" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted April 5, 2021 Report Share Posted April 5, 2021 7 minutes ago, smokeybandit said: It would be quite a power play to actually mean "all" people vaccinated. For now I assume that to mean "all who are age-eligible" "By requiring full and complete vaccinations of guests and crew, the Company believes it shares in the spirit and exceeds the intent of the CDC’s Conditional Sailing Order (“CSO”) to advance mutual public health goals and protect guests, crew and the communities it visits. " Full and complete sounds pretty absolute. Guess we need to see the CDC submission to know for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted April 5, 2021 Report Share Posted April 5, 2021 Though RC's first announcement about Odyssey in Israel said "fully vaccinated" only to late clarify that it was for vaccine age-eligible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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