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HUGE NEWS FOR CANADIANS!!!!   Just announced they are looking at starting rapid testing at airports in Canada that would result in only a 48 hr quarantine if you test negative with a rapid t

Don't  worry..shes a nurse and I am a insurance agent....we are well aware of whats out there for medical and insurance wise 😐....this is very common in NB..we have contacted our MLA as well as the Mi

The PVSA violation is only a $800 fine.  Just add it to the cruise fare and away we go!  Alaska here we come...

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I think the airlines do have some strong lobby groups. But also, when you fly there is a paper trail that leads to your theoretical end point. I think it's still a little weak, but at least there's something to go on if contact tracing is required. 
 

The land border would have far too many people  crossing to make this possible without tracking the car or something of that nature. And I'm pretty certain that this would not go over well. 

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I think a lot of people know, and personally I'd been looking at possibly going to Hawaii at the end of year (changed mind and it will likely be a Caribbean resort if we go). And because many of us are not working or working from home, I think that the self-isolation period becomes less of an impediment.

But I think that many Canadians are still wary of going to the US because of the numbers there. If the numbers start going down and stay down in the US, then we'll see an upswing in southbound travel.

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6 hours ago, KWong said:

But I think that many Canadians are still wary of going to the US because of the numbers there. If the numbers start going down and stay down in the US, then we'll see an upswing in southbound travel.

Once the Government of Canada travel advisories to the US are lifted, the insurance companies will provide coverage.  This will instill consumer confidence.  I really hope the Canada/US government can negotiate something for immediate family members affected by the border closure.   The holidays are just around the corner...

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2 hours ago, cruisellama said:

Cruise radio had a story noting VBC may be closed to cruise traffic through 2021!  Very bad for cruising - unless ships reflag or exceptions to the Jone's act are solicited and granted.

I just read the article.  The govt official said cruise ships wouldn’t be allowed unless changes were made.  What changes do you think he is referring to and by whom?

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13 minutes ago, mjb1127 said:

I just read the article.  The govt official said cruise ships wouldn’t be allowed unless changes were made.  What changes do you think he is referring to and by whom?

In context it sounds like lines processes  and the passengers from other countries (behaviors) are influencing.  (Watching what protocols "they" put in place)  Sensing some mistrust in those making (US and others)  the "pass through" (from Seattle) and fouling VPC can't be controlled and until they change, the port will stay closed to cruise ships.    OK fine - then what about originating cruises from VBC?  Local gov't rules and make protocols for those entering the country through customs.  

 So seemed like a stonewall.  Could they accept a plan, to start, they accept cruises that originate from VBC?  (So they're not the "fill in the square" stop).  I read many of the locals do not like the cruise tourism anyway, so maybe the port authority has a lever to accommodate the local population.   That's their decision.  If the CA stop is sustained,  US cruises to AK will curtailed unless there's reflagging  exceptions to current law based upon special circumstances.  How bad do US lines want to service the AK market?    

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15 hours ago, cruisellama said:

Cruise radio had a story noting VBC may be closed to cruise traffic through 2021!  Very bad for cruising - unless ships reflag or exceptions to the Jone's act are solicited and granted.

Wouldn't surprise me....Our chief medical office stated it could be 2-3 years before things get back to normal in Canada..till then expect masks, social distancing, business closed, borders closed and travel restricted…...I wouldn't book a damn thing that involves Canada for the next year or two at least...

 

its crazy and insane...but seems like most sheep, I mean people in Canada are on board...…..

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59 minutes ago, monctonguy said:

Wouldn't surprise me....Our chief medical office stated it could be 2-3 years before things get back to normal in Canada..till then expect masks, social distancing, business closed, borders closed and travel restricted…...I wouldn't book a damn thing that involves Canada for the next year or two at least...

 

its crazy and insane...but seems like most sheep, I mean people in Canada are on board...…..

Hope it pushes some regulatory/statutory reform on the US side to allow the industry to operate between AK and lower 48.  But the cruise lines are going to need to lobby for it.

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https://globalnews.ca/news/7304292/coronavirus-canada-extending-international-travel-restrictions-mandatory-quarantine-until-sept-30/
 

“Canada is once again extending emergency orders that place restrictions on international travel and make mandatory 14-day quarantines for anyone entering the country during the novel coronavirus pandemic. The orders will be extended for at least another month.”
- now extended to Sept. 30. 

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A friend of mine (dual citizenship) born in Quebec, resides in US. He went to the Lewiston/Queenston bridge to cross, 2 weeks ago today. He was going up to race a horse tonite. Before leaving he spoke with the ministry of health, he gotsome kind of exemption that all he had to do was, Have a negative test within 12 hrs of arriving at the border. He already had rented a house and will be there for 8 weeks, some how got an exemption to only quarantine for 7 days, get a test and he was clear to race last Sat night. Only thing he had to do was stay away from the other people in the paddock area last week, now he is clear. Strange, but does show there can be loop holes.

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Even Fauci thinks the border closure at this time is a good idea...

“Keeping the Canada-United States border closed will help contain the spread of the coronavirus as long as there remains a huge disparity in numbers between the two nations, Anthony Fauci, the top U.S. government official on infectious diseases, said in an interview with Global News.

The coronavirus numbers in the U.S. are “unacceptably high” heading into the fall, Fauci said. As of Friday, there have been more than 6.1 million cases of the coronavirus in the U.S. In comparison, Canada had just over 132,000 cases, according to Johns Hopkins University.

“If you have an area of the country with very, very low activity, obviously there’s concern about letting people in from countries in which there’s a high rate of infection,” Fauci told Global News’ Jackson Proskow on Friday.

Because of the huge gap in numbers between the neighbouring countries, Fauci said he supports the border closure, as “it does have a positive effect on keeping a lid on things.” But when there isn’t such a large gap in COVID-19 numbers, there is debate on the effectiveness, he added.”

The article goes on to discuss the high death rate in the U.S.; Covid-19 fatigue; the fear of a spike in cases with the coming cold weather forcing more people indoors, specifically highlighting the risk with people in bars; and the realistic timing of a possible vaccine to be made available.

https://globalnews.ca/news/7315953/anthony-fauci-canada-u-s-border-closure-coronavirus/

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36 minutes ago, crisgold52 said:

Some are indicating that the US gods may be pressuring for a return to normalcy by opening the US CANADA land border. Of course this would be a risky endeavor. 

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/09/opinions/us-canada-covid-19-bociurkiw/index.html 

Kind of a sweet irony that the US is complaining about being closed out of a border

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18 hours ago, twangster said:

The PVSA violation is only a $800 fine.  Just add it to the cruise fare and away we go!  Alaska here we come...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passenger_Vessel_Services_Act_of_1886

This says $762 per person.  I don't see why a ship can't just stop somewhere in Canada and nobody gets off.  Would that meet the requirement?   I have already been to Victoria once so I wouldn't have to get off the ship.  It is after all, an Alaskan cruise.

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1 hour ago, Dad2Cue said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passenger_Vessel_Services_Act_of_1886

This says $762 per person.  I don't see why a ship can't just stop somewhere in Canada and nobody gets off.  Would that meet the requirement?   I have already been to Victoria once so I wouldn't have to get off the ship.  It is after all, an Alaskan cruise.

The actual PVSA says $798 here:

https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/assets/documents/2019-Sep/PVSA-ICP.pdf

"Non-coastwise-qualified vessels The Passenger Vessel Services Act September 2019 9 U.S. Customs and Border Protection that transport passengers between coastwise points will be penalized $300 for each passenger transported and landed on or before November 2, 2015 and $798 for each passenger transported and landed after November 2, 2015."

As far as visiting a country but not getting off I'm not sure CBP would accept that.  Technically as soon as a ship is within territorial boundaries they are subject to laws of that nation as if they landed.  There are exceptions that allow transit through territorial waters by international convention so in cases where a ship must transit through a nation's territorial limits to get somewhere else that is permitted and not counted as if the ship at that moment is subject to the jurisdiction of that nation.  Visiting a pier but not debarking is a gray area in between transiting and visiting. 

If a nation doesn't "clear" the ship and process passengers as visitors regardless if they don't debark then there's a strong argument those guests never visited that nation. 

Today, or up to this point, you might not get a physical stamp in your passport when you visit Canada but your passport is marked electronically that you entered Canada and CBP can see that when you return as they share data with Canada.  Would Canada be willing to allow a ship into port, process all guests as visitors but deny then debarking privileges?  I'm not sure Canada would sign up for that.  Why would they?  If Canada has closed a port due to health concerns why let a potential "plague ship" reach the pier at all?  Once a ship has been admitted to enter a port, if a medical emergency is declared that nation can't just close the port and force it off the pier.  Japan got stuck with a COVID ship very early on in this manner.   

Canadians are nice people and all, but I'm not sure they are going to bend the rules with no benefit and only risk just so Americans can vacation to Alaska on a cruise.

This idea seems to be accepted in certain European cruise itineraries that did exactly this "touch & go" recently but that's within Europe.  Something tells me that CBP wouldn't accept that here in the U.S.A. or that Canada isn't going to allow a ship from a country that doesn't have control of the virus to enter it's ports.

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