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https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/11/coronavirus-cruise-industry-proposes-travel-ban-for-people-over-70.html

The proposal would restrict people over the age of 70 from getting on a ship unless they can provide written consent from a doctor, the sources said. 

CLIA submitted the response to the White House in the wake of the meeting with the VP over the weekend.  

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3 minutes ago, accio7 said:

A passenger received this letter from the VP of NCL today, it was posted in one of my FB cruising groups. I wonder if Royal is planning to send out something similar soon.

I think Yes.. Vicky Freed Vice President of Sales and deals with travel agents did a webcast on Tuesday and said this was proposed to the White House on Tuesday.. So I am pretty sure that yes this is going to go forward. Basically it requires people over 70 to get a form filled out by a doctor saying they are not sick and fit to cruise. 

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MSC has now issued restrictions for their guests over 70 years of age and also includes travel ban restrictions disclosed last night:

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  • Starting Saturday, March 14, 2020, for all ships leaving Miami, we are further elevating our health measures, in line with the recommendation of the Cruise Line Association and the USA Government, therefore we will deny boarding for:
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    • All guests with severe chronic medical condition (heart disease, diabetes, lung disease) as specified by the U.S. CDC
    • All guests 70 years of age or older at embarkation date or who turn 70 within the duration of  the cruise, unless provided written verification from their qualified treating physician certifying no severe chronic medical conditions and otherwise fit for the cruise
                                - We have already started thermal temperature check at all ports & gangway 
                                - We have already started weekly health screening for all crew members 
 
Important for European guests bound to the USA: 
  • Entry in USA is closed to most foreign nationals who have been in certain European countries at any point during the 14 days prior to their scheduled arrival to the United States. These countries include: Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, and Switzerland. This does not apply to legal permanent residents, (generally) immediate family members of U.S. citizens, and other individuals who are identified in the proclamation.  This restriction comes into effect at 11:59 p.m. eastern daylight time on March 13, 2020 and is expected to be in place for at least 30 days.

 

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Point is safety for crew and passenger - even the over-70 being singled out.  Question becomes: will this become permanent after (hopefully there is an after) the corona virus has been tamed?  We had three b2b which now are cancelled, and we now see more and more ports denying entry.  

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20 minutes ago, WAAAYTOOO said:

I still don’t see how they can enforce #2.  How would they possibly know whether I have any of those medical conditions or not ?  That’s a silly condition to place when they have no way of enforcing it.

Just sent a tweet to MSC Cruises and asked them whether there is a health form available to submit prior to boarding. My instinct is yes and similar to the one required by NCL

The other cruise lines can't be too far behind.

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Just now, WAAAYTOOO said:

I wonder if this questionnaire has to be signed a HCP.  If not, no reason to think people would be honest.

Not sure if you opened the link, but, yes, there is a space for a medical practitioner's signature, registration number, and a stamp of identification at the bottom. The practitioner's name, facility name is listed at the top.

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Just now, accio7 said:

Not sure if you opened the link, but, yes, there is a space for a medical practitioner's signature, registration number, and a stamp of identification at the bottom. The practitioner's name, facility name is listed at the top.

You got me.  I did not.  Thanks !

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Does anyone know if MSC is refunding $ (vs issuing FCC) to denied passengers under the new criteria?  Hoping RCCL might eventually do the same if they implement a similar policy.   Things  are getting really crazy with many cancellations in so many industries. 

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19 hours ago, Bonnie Blake said:

So if we are over 70, do we need to provide a health certificate?

wait and see - we have been on many cruises (Diamond - one cruse away from Diamond Plus)  and spent lots of money - if that is the case we can spend our money someplace else - we have seen people that have to turn sideways to get in a door - do they need a health certificate? I guess we will discriminate against people for the good of who? 

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There are plenty of people with those conditions who are controlled and in good health, my husband and myself being two. It would put the kabash  on jumping in the car and driving to a close port on short notice. What doctor wants to go out on a limb in case you have a  heart attack on the ship and sue him for malpractice? I agree with PAJ! How many others have diabetes or heart disease and are under 70?  Age discrimination!😁

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So, I was ok with how Royal was handling things until this latest announcement.  

Now they tell me I can’t cruise due to a chronic condition, but will still keep my money?  If my $ isn’t refunded and I’m forced to take FCC, I will never cruise with Royal again, once I use the FCC.  
Not only will they get the value of holding my $ for at least a year, prices for 2021 are ridiculously high compared to this year so I get less value for the same amount of money.   

 I know it’s a long shot but I’m hoping someone at royal reads this and similar posts and changes their mind re refunds. 
 

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Here comes the "class action age discrimination" law suits. RCCL should state it's a "health ban" and not target individuals only who are over 70 years old. This would avoid alot of litigation as those Florida attorneys are already revving up for a class action lawsuit.

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If you listen to Goldstein's TV interview he sort of lays this at the feet of Pence.  He suggests it was offered by the White House an idea of something the cruise lines could offer to do during their meeting.  Goldstein left Royal and is now CLIA exclusively.  CLIA offered this to the White House.  The cruise lines are following CLIA.  

Age discrimination came to mind.  Should be interesting to see how this plays out.

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I can almost see it now. The traffic jam of golf carts (because they lost their licenses because they're unsafe to drive) coming from the 55 and over, no children allowed community,  going to the court house to file their age discrimination law suit. Sounds reasonable to me.

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I received an email this morning from RCCL stating that from Monday March 16th all persons aged 70 or older need to obtain doctors certification that they are fit to cruise before being allowed onboard. They issued the following template letter to take to my doctor for, would you believe, my cruise on Jewel of the Seas on Monday March 16th, which was cancelled a couple of days ago. 😂😡

By the way, it takes 2-3 weeks to get such a letter from my doctor and they charge £30 for this. 😂

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