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How many of these "new" bookings are bookings using FCC rather than additional cash? With the number of cruises being cancelled I would expect that a lot of the new bookings to actually been transferred without a great outlay of new cash. I wonder if they will open new seasons bookings earlier this year to generate an influx of new cash.

 

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I am surprised to be honest....I am pretty confident there wouldn't be many virgin cruisers booking cruises for a year from now with the state of the country and the industry. Seems surprising that they would be almost back to the point they were prior to the Covid outbreak.:35_thinking:

 

I have a really hard time believing that..seeing as polls here show only about half of hard core, die hard cruises were ready to start cruising again once the ban is lifted(or something to that extent)

 

Not saying Royal is lying...but they are a business and are desperate right now..

 

Now way in hell I am booking a cruise before it even opens up and now that prices are going up...maybe if I lived in a port city or state but...

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Keeping in mind they may need to operate at reduced capacity in 2021 the increase in prices may be to shape that capacity towards this goal.

In the end the market determines what is a reasonable price for a cruise.  Royal is decidedly in the mass cruise market.   If they set prices too high bookings will slow.  They'll always want to test the ability to raise prices, it's the only way to determine how the market will react.    

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8 hours ago, F1guynz said:

How many of these "new" bookings are bookings using FCC rather than additional cash?

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Mr. Goldner stressed that while Royal Caribbean is seeing a lot of bookings from guests who had cruises cancelled in 2020, the majority of business that Royal Caribbean is seeing from new bookings. 

"New bookings, new reservations, mostly, not surprisingly, but mostly from Crown and Anchor guests."

 

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7 hours ago, twangster said:

When asked during the investor call Royal suggested FCC bookings weren't that substantial.  They claimed most new bookings were just that.  Beyond that vague answer no one here knows.

I dont see how they KNOW that? I have FCC, but when I rebooked it was a new reservation and I paid a deposit. Who is to say I am, or am not using my FCC on THIS cruise? I am....but they dont know...... 

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6 minutes ago, twangster said:

Royal knows.  No one here knows.  No one from Royal participates on this forum.  

What I said is "I dont see how they KNOW that" and it was in regards to RC saying "FCC bookings werent that substantial."  Maybe I need to expand on that. Before they were allowing you to use FCC to make a deposit, you had to make a reservation and pay a deposit. So, wouldnt they ALL look like new bookings since that is the normal? As of now, I just have a balance that I can pay any way I want. FCC, Credit or Debit card....they dont know how I will take care of that balance. 

And I know they dont participate here.....I guess my wording was confusing? I dunno.....  

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8 minutes ago, SteveinSC said:

And I know they dont participate here.....I guess my wording was confusing? I dunno.....  

Oh I think they have someone from Corporate watching all sites related to "Royal".  1984 Baby!  Remember the show"THE MOLE"   Ha Ha :29_smirk:

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3 minutes ago, RBRSKI said:

Oh I think they have someone from Corporate watching all sites related to "Royal".  1984 Baby!  Remember the show"THE MOLE"   Ha Ha :29_smirk:

I have no doubt they observe. That is just smart business to gauge the pulse of your customer....but participate? Nah.....they dont want to risk blurring those lines. If they do have a mole....I hope theyre smart enough to not be outed! 😆

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13 hours ago, SteveinSC said:

Before they were allowing you to use FCC to make a deposit, you had to make a reservation and pay a deposit. So, wouldnt they ALL look like new bookings since that is the normal?

I suppose if someone made a new booking then held onto their FCC for some reason Royal wouldn't have any idea you planned to apply your FCC at some future time.  However I suspect most people who have received FCC will apply it in the process of booking a new cruise.  Early on that meant pay deposit and apply FCC.  Later FCC could be used for deposits.  Either way FCC was being applied to a booking.  

I guess I can't see someone deciding to book a cruise based on having FCC from a cancelled cruise, paying the deposit but not applying the FCC.  Why hold onto FCC when you now have a booking you can apply the FCC towards?

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Hmm the wording implies new bookings but not new cruisers...which makes sense. When the 1st round of cancellations happened, cruise prices went down for June, July and August. How many people hoped on the bandwagon to score a good deal? Then people like me said well I can't cruise this year, but I will book more next year. Or they felt like no cruises will happen this year so the booked 2021. Those people might also be waiting for FCC, like me, on a cruise they cancelled to later apply to a balance. This would increase the demand, meaning a lot of new bookings....we might also all be C&A members. So I can see prices increasing because the demand is pretty much there. By next year people will be anxious to cruise again, the filthy petri-dish idea will be in the rear view.

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4 hours ago, twangster said:

I suppose if someone made a new booking then held onto their FCC for some reason Royal wouldn't have any idea you planned to apply your FCC at some future time.  However I suspect most people who have received FCC will apply it in the process of booking a new cruise.  Early on that meant pay deposit and apply FCC.  Later FCC could be used for deposits.  Either way FCC was being applied to a booking.  

I guess I can't see someone deciding to book a cruise based on having FCC from a cancelled cruise, paying the deposit but not applying the FCC.  Why hold onto FCC when you now have a booking you can apply the FCC towards?

I am currently doing just that...

My FCC is in GBP and i have two cruises to which I can apply it - Oct 2020 Southampton and Feb 2021 Bayonne. (My Dec 2021 sailing is booked in USD so given the advice elsewhere on here that the currency cannot be changed, using it for this is off the table).

I have not yet applied the FCC to my Oct 2020 Southampton sailing because if it gets cancelled there is no guarantee I will get it back before the final payment date for my Feb 2021 Bayonne sailing, in which case I would not be able to use it for that either, meaning I would end up paying the balance in cash and being stuck with a FCC that I cannot use.

Equally I have not applied it directly to my Feb sailing as that would mean I only have the option of paying the balance of the Oct fare in cash, which may then be subject to a long wait for a refund if it doesn't sail.

I know that I will ultimately need to stump up the cash for one of the sailings, assuming they both go ahead of course (which I REALLY hope they do!), but I am holding out for as long as I can for news on RCCL's plans for restarting cruising in Europe before pressing the button, which I am hoping will be before the mid August final payment date as it will make my decision so much easier.

I hope this makes sense (I sometimes think I end up confusing myself by over thinking!)

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7 hours ago, twangster said:

I suppose if someone made a new booking then held onto their FCC for some reason Royal wouldn't have any idea you planned to apply your FCC at some future time.  However I suspect most people who have received FCC will apply it in the process of booking a new cruise.  Early on that meant pay deposit and apply FCC.  Later FCC could be used for deposits.  Either way FCC was being applied to a booking.  

I guess I can't see someone deciding to book a cruise based on having FCC from a cancelled cruise, paying the deposit but not applying the FCC.  Why hold onto FCC when you now have a booking you can apply the FCC towards?

Heck man, I dunno. Maybe you have multiple cruises? I know I havent applied my FCC yet (TA said we would wait till closer to final payment date to make sure repricing and using FCC is a cleaner process). My only thought was that at first, they were making you pay a deposit and FCC wasnt used. So Im sure at that time, ALL bookings could have looked "new" even though they were people with FCC.   

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32 minutes ago, SteveinSC said:

Heck man, I dunno. Maybe you have multiple cruises? I know I havent applied my FCC yet

I’m doing the same. I’ve booked 4 “new” cruises but haven’t yet applied a single FCC.  I’m waiting to do that b/c I have to be strategic. Only 1 FCC (per person) can be applied per cruise (a rule I would LOVE to see changed) so I have to be careful with some of the smallish FCCs.  Once I sort out my annual casino Prime choices, I will start throwing the FCCs on where they will not block my each other.  This is the primary reason I have stopped taking FCCs.  Cash refunds only from now on.  If they would let me apply more than 1 per cruise I would gladly take FCCs again.

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14 minutes ago, WAAAYTOOO said:

I’m doing the same. I’ve booked 4 “new” cruises but haven’t yet applied a single FCC.  I’m waiting to do that b/c I have to be strategic. Only 1 FCC (per person) can be applied per cruise (a rule I would LOVE to see changed) so I have to be careful with some of the smallish FCCs.  Once I sort out my annual casino Prime choices, I will start throwing the FCCs on where they will not block my each other.  This is the primary reason I have stopped taking FCCs.  Cash refunds only from now on.  If they would let me apply more than 1 per cruise I would gladly take FCCs again.

This is the main problem with FCCs.  Really wish they would let you apply more than one FCC to a cruise. It is our money after all.  We already have one that is around $400 and one that is around $500 and then a bigger one from our Anthem cancellation.  And with the due dates and potential other cancellations, some will definitely get lost.  Plus once you apply, then price drops are unlikely (but then again, as per this thread, they are very unlikely anyways).  The only issue with a full refund is that you need to pay out the cruise.  It's good that Royal has options but we definitely lose out in the end (and worst of all....the cancelled cruise)

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