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The Must-Wear-a-Face-Mask Protocol for vaccinated passengers


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48 minutes ago, teddy said:

My wife and I were talking about masks and cruising yesterday. 
 

We have a week on Freedom in November.  We’ve been mask free since may 24th and are both vaccinated.   I really am not looking forward to having to wear one again, even for the flight to Florida  

We won’t cancel if masks are still a requirement in November, but we will rethink our stateroom category. 
 

In the past, we have been perfectly content staying in an Inside Cabin.  A mask regulation will have us considering an upgrade to a larger room with a large balcony.  

All but 1 of my past cruises have been in inside cabins. I currently have 6 cruises booked and all are in balcony cabins just for that assurance of our own outdoor space if needed.

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Well great...

A Florida news station cites unvaccinated as the reason why masks will be making a come back in Florida.  

https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2021/07/12/orange-county-again-recommending-masks-as-covid-19-positivity-rate-climbs-higher/

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. – Orange County leaders are once again recommending everyone to wear a mask when in crowded, indoor locations regardless of whether they are vaccinated. This guidance comes as Orange County’s positivity rate has jumped higher in the past two weeks.

According to Orange County Mayor Jerry Demings, the county’s 14-day rolling positivity rate now sits at 7.78%.

“Two weeks ago on June 28, it was 4.28%. We are now considered by the CDC the high-risk category for community transmission, that quite frankly is not good news for our county,” Demings said.

“100% of the cases reported yesterday were among unvaccinated individuals,” Pino said. “More so, 100% of the deaths that we are reporting to you today, were among unvaccinated individuals. So we can mask up, we can keep the distance, we can try not to talk about this but the reality is that this is an unvaccinated pandemic.”

 

Here is why I think this relates to cruising:  The CDC is NOT going to relax anything when Orange County, FL home to Orlando and the theme parks is trending the wrong direction in a not so insignificant way.  

I just hope the CDC doesn't roll back prior improvements to the CSO while the legal battle makes its way through the Florida courts.

 

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1 hour ago, twangster said:

“100% of the cases reported yesterday were among unvaccinated individuals,” Pino said. “More so, 100% of the deaths that we are reporting to you today, were among unvaccinated individuals. So we can mask up, we can keep the distance, we can try not to talk about this but the reality is that this is an unvaccinated pandemic.”

Ah, the irony. Florida.

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Interesting data that would tell more of the story is the number of tests conducted and or the total number of cases. I assume vaccinated people are testing less or not at all. This would explain a higher positivity rate even if total cases are unchanged or even decreasing.  A higher positivity rate does not necessitate an increase in cases. 

Cherry picking statistics can tell almost any story. 

I did not investigate beyond the article. I’m simply stating that as written it isn’t relevant in terms of statistical validity. 

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38 minutes ago, AlmondFarmer said:

Interesting data that would tell more of the story is the number of tests conducted and or the total number of cases. I assume vaccinated people are testing less or not at all. This would explain a higher positivity rate even if total cases are unchanged or even decreasing.  A higher positivity rate does not necessitate an increase in cases. 

Cherry picking statistics can tell almost any story. 

I did not investigate beyond the article. I’m simply stating that as written it isn’t relevant in terms of statistical validity. 

dont bring that kinda of reasoning around here lol

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23 hours ago, twangster said:

I owe you an apology, you were right.

I've traded Odyssey for Mardi Gras.  It checked all of my boxes.

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I can't wait to hear about your experience.  As i said, I have cancelled Symphony for an un masked alternative as well

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55 minutes ago, Tarheel0907 said:

dont bring that kinda of reasoning around here lol

Being a numbers person it is hard to not critique an article like that. I will refrain from pointing out likely intentional statistical dishonesty again. 

Another surprising statistic:

50% of the graduates of Harvard are in the bottom half of their graduating class….I though they were all smart.

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37 minutes ago, AlmondFarmer said:

Being a numbers person it is hard to not critique an article like that. I will refrain from pointing out likely intentional statistical dishonesty again. 

Another surprising statistic:

50% of the graduates of Harvard are in the bottom half of their graduating class….I though they were all smart.

I used to teach Business Statistics for a college night class. My intro was always something like, "Tell me what you want the numbers to say, and I will get them for you."

They have to be careful not to insert their bias in the work, that is, if the goal is to get a true number, not a desired number.

What is the most popular color Floridians wear to basketball games?

You want the answer to the Poll to be BLUE?
I focus more weight on a Magic hosting the Dallas Mavericks game. Then add Magic/Heat and guess what?
I checked 2 locations and came up with BLUE!

So many ways to make it look fair, but when you dig into the details, it is what whoever wanted.

Then they can sell that data to the media and general public that does not understand.

"We checked both Florida NBA Teams, and overwhelmingly Floridians wear BLUE?"

Want the answer to the Poll color to be RED? I choose Heat/Magic & Heat/Rockets.

"We checked both Florida NBA Teams, and overwhelmingly Floridians wear RED?"

I would have the raw data to prove both correct (unless you dig into the details)

If it is not what I want, I may have to do another game with the color I want and a non-Red or non-Blue team.
Then the data looks more credible.

Same with political or CV-19 polls (Did I just say Tune Fish).
Tell me what you want, and I can get the number.

You have to look at any Poll in the media without the raw data with a skeptical eye.




 

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15 hours ago, teddy said:

My wife and I were talking about masks and cruising yesterday. 
 

We have a week on Freedom in November.  We’ve been mask free since may 24th and are both vaccinated.   I really am not looking forward to having to wear one again, even for the flight to Florida  

We won’t cancel if masks are still a requirement in November, but we will rethink our stateroom category. 
 

In the past, we have been perfectly content staying in an Inside Cabin.  A mask regulation will have us considering an upgrade to a larger room with a large balcony.  

We always get a balcony! Great to sit outside, in the quietness and away from all people. 

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13 hours ago, twangster said:

“100% of the cases reported yesterday were among unvaccinated individuals,” Pino said. “More so, 100% of the deaths that we are reporting to you today, were among unvaccinated individuals. So we can mask up, we can keep the distance, we can try not to talk about this but the reality is that this is an unvaccinated pandemic.”

 100% of reported cases from yesterday are among unvaccinated individuals. Why in the world does a mask mandate come back to include vaccinated people, when the vaccinated are not developing CoVid? Can we for once use some common since or has that been thrown out the window?!?!?

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Just FYI

Florida and US vaccine rates:

Florida: at least one dose   54.8%

              two doses               47.1%

 

US: at least one dose           56.1%

        two doses                     48.5%

 

 

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15 minutes ago, UNCFanatik said:

A rise in case counts does not necessarily mean a rise in hospitalizations and deaths now. something to remember when you hear about a rise in case counts. The media often ignores that fact. Zero Covid should not be goal nor is it attainable. 

Exactly! In fact I'm pretty sure that hospitalizations are not increasing with increased case counts. Trying to hit a zero CoVid goal is like trying to hit a zero flu goal, it will not happen. 

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Here is a site I use to check daily.

It seems to tell a different story when national hot spots are compared to Florida.

https://usafacts.org/visualizations/coronavirus-covid-19-spread-map

7-Day Average July 11th Miami-Dade
23 cases per 100,000    0 Deaths per 100,000

To show how deceptive data can be unless you look deeper.
That dark red in Montana is Powder River County.
7-Day average per 100,000 July 11th
161 Cases   17 deaths

However, the Population of Powder River County (2019) is 1,607
Don't trust the media's statistics until you do the deep research.

You can adjust the data by dividing the population of Miami-Dade by 100,000
then multiplying that number times 23.
Of course, whatever that number time zero deaths, is still quite low.
I am thinking it is less than .5 per 100,000, but without the knowledge of how the stats are compiled, it is only a guess.
 

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31 minutes ago, LifesEz said:

To show how deceptive data can be unless you look deeper.
That dark red in Montana is Powder River County.
7-Day average per 100,000 July 11th
161 Cases   17 deaths

However, the Population of Powder River County (2019) is 1,607
Don't trust the media's statistics until you do the deep research.

It would be a media goldmine for Desolation county Wyoming to have one person test positive with COVID. This would be 50,000 per 100,000 as only 2 people live in this imaginary county.

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10 minutes ago, smokeybandit said:

Rural counties tend to have higher positivity percentages, too, since people aren't nearly a likely to go all the way into town just to take a test "just in case"

Correct, plus old man Doc Winston is only at the General Mercantile once a week to administer tests. 
In regards to cruising, it has been reported that neither resident of Desolation county has ever seen a cruise ship.

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TBH, I've stopped reading most pandemic metrics reported - summarized is a better word because those summaries can be terribly misleading - by the press. There are data bases available on line that report dozens of different metrics. The good ones don't try to interpret them. One really has to look at what's available and do your own interpreting. I have some knowledge but not the expertise to roll what's available into meaningful conclusions about any number of things having to do with the pandemic.

That PH officials and virologists dance around what the data means and speak in frustratingly vague terms is because these people know how difficult it is to make authoritative statements based on the data that is available. I've posted here previously that reporting rising case numbers, without other background data, is not an indication of a worsening pandemic situation. But that is uniformly the conclusion that the press often implies or the reader/viewer of those reports concludes. As well, politics have been folded into interpretations and this is just another factor that makes most interpretations flawed.

The best way to proceed is to reject almost everything that is reported in the press and on social media platforms, find data bases that reliably report raw numbers (there are many), study them and draw your own conclusions. Then, assess your own risk tolerance and proceed accordingly. It's too bad that most governments and businesses take liability into account when making policy and that produces various restrictions - inconveniences - that sometimes we just have to deal with.

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