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Another thought. “If” RC went bust and changed names (Royal Caribbean Voyages International) it seems as if

1. any earned status for the former company is gone.

2. FCC or and money in a future cruise will be forfeited.

I really hope this doesn’t happen but truthfully I don’t see how it couldn’t. 

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27 minutes ago, RCIfan1912 said:

The answer is of course not. They will be long gone before that. 

Will it come down to that, the answer is of course not. Come on people, do you really think that is the answer? I'm not saying that specifically for you but as whole to people that see this thread. You don't need a vaccine for cruises to restart. 

June is possible, July is definite to restart. Delta airlines said the airline Industry hit bottom is going to start to improve from here. Look at the numbers of cases and deaths going forward from a reputable, scientific website. By June 6th in NJ where I live we are at zero deaths. There healthcare system and hospitals are back to normal. The peak and decline is a little later for other places but not that far off. 

Blood testing from the CDC started last week to see who has had it and recovered or never knew it and have antibodies. I volunteer to test. Who the heck knows if I had it and never knew. Let's not loose sight of the light at the end of the tunnel here. Sorry for the long post but this talk of waiting for a vaccine is getting on my nerves. Education is key. 

Only time will tell. I don’t think the talk of a vaccine being necessary for cruising to resume is that far fetched at all. 

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3 minutes ago, RCIfan1912 said:

It's completely unrealistic. We can do many things for this not to be the case. 

Let’s resume this thread in July. Hopefully I will be replying to it from a cruise ship. My money is on me replying from my backyard staring at an empty Port Everglades though. 

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I think maybe a restart in Sept, Gives them time to develop and distribute more tests, maybe some kind of health certificate from md. Snake lines will be back at disembarks, at least in the states, A lot depends on the overseas ports also. I talked to a friend from NZ,  he told me cruise lines are a bad word there, need someone to blame,  plus the volcano incident. He said all will be good once they figure out how much money they bring in, but it will take time.

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1 hour ago, bobroo said:

In my opinion it is only until a vaccine or cure is found

There has never been a vaccine for any virus in coronavirus family...just treatments & a shot of the previous year strain...which gonna make you sick for a few days, like flu shots normally do. The vaccine cure thing is a gross misnomer, imo. Also they say it will take a year to make, because by next year, you will be getting injected with this year strain. 

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37 minutes ago, Zambia-Zaire said:

.which gonna make you sick for a few days, like flu shots normally do.

I agree with the rest of your statement but flu shots never made me sick. The same with most people I know. I'm not saying it's not possible and that people don't get sick but just trying to be careful with the info out there.

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11 minutes ago, ellcee said:

I agree with the rest of your statement but flu shots never made me sick. The same with most people I know. I'm not saying it's not possible and that people don't get sick but just trying to be careful with the info out there.

Yeah I got the flu shot this year because last year I got the flu so bad, it knocked me on my butt really bad. I swore I'd never go without a flu shot. It was such an easy process and I did not get sick at all. My wife got it and our 6 year old son too. No sickness. I can't say that's why I didn't get a the Flu this year but I ain't taking chances again. It really kicked my butt. 

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2 hours ago, tonyfsu21 said:

Another thought. “If” RC went bust and changed names (Royal Caribbean Voyages International) it seems as if

1. any earned status for the former company is gone.

2. FCC or and money in a future cruise will be forfeited.

I really hope this doesn’t happen but truthfully I don’t see how it couldn’t. 

Is this situation covered under travel insurance?

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Whew the pessimism persists in here. Wow I'm quite surprised at how strong the pessimism is. I thought there would be some but not this much. I'm extremely confident we will be sailing away on Oasis in Sept. Will be watching land disappear on our way to Port Canaveral. Then the beautiful Coco Cay. 

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1 hour ago, ellcee said:

I agree with the rest of your statement but flu shots never made me sick. The same with most people I know. I'm not saying it's not possible and that people don't get sick but just trying to be careful with the info out there.

Look, there is always an exception to the rule...obviously, you & some people you know are...most people, whose immune system never had to activate and release enzymes to fight the virus will get sick, when injected with a strain their body never  encountered before. There are some the virus remain either dormant or they have had that strain before, as reason why most don't get sick after getting a flu shot. The flu effect people very differently...some feel like they're on their last leg, others as if its just a minor sniffle that they don't even recognize as the flu , and some variation in between....that's is a known fact. So just because you didn't get sick after receiving a flu shot, does not mean other won't either...that a misnomer in itself. A percentage of people get sick...and they get sick because their body never had that strain before....that's the point of getting a shot in the 1st place...to build immunity against that particular strain. 

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11 minutes ago, RCIfan1912 said:

Whew the pessimism persists in here. Wow I'm quite surprised at how strong the pessimism is. I thought there would be some but not this much. I'm extremely confident we will be sailing away on Oasis in Sept. Will be watch land disappear on our way to Port Canaveral. Then the beautiful Coco Cay. 

No pessimism here. According to you I will be drinking a Mojito from Boleros in July. 

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50 minutes ago, RCIfan1912 said:

Whew the pessimism persists in here. Wow I'm quite surprised at how strong the pessimism is. I thought there would be some but not this much. I'm extremely confident we will be sailing away on Oasis in Sept. Will be watching land disappear on our way to Port Canaveral. Then the beautiful Coco Cay. 

I am booked in September as well so i'm hoping for the best but honestly expecting the worst. The issue is going to be around 2nd/3rd waves of infections ... once we relax the restrictions the virus will start spreading again. 

With all the backlash against cruises i don't think they are going to let them start again until the virus is "done" which isn't happening anytime soon.

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19 minutes ago, jticarruthers said:

I am booked in September as well so i'm hoping for the best but honestly expecting the worst. The issue is going to be around 2nd/3rd waves of infections ... once we relax the restrictions the virus will start spreading again. 

With all the backlash against cruises i don't think they are going to let them start again until the virus is "done" which isn't happening anytime soon.

Ok, so Disney World can't reopen in your mind as well then? Come on this is ridiculous. 

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I don't think another 100 days is out of the question. I don't think Royal does either based on the offers they are sending to their casino member list. They are sending offers to fill cruises starting on 7/14. Aside from not cruising right now, the cruise industries biggest problem would be to have a nasty outbreak on a ship because they rushed back to cruising. Waiting an extra week, two weeks or a month after this dies down would probably be better than having to suspend operations again because they tried to open up to soon. 

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Sadly, I believe an additional delay is possible also. My concern is that it could be based more on perception than reality. The media seems to be determined to make the cruise industry a scapegoat in all of this. Perhaps it is an easy target, and will upset an acceptable subset of society from their perspective. I would expect that if 85% of the population cruised regularly, the media would find a different target. 

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I got a flu and pneumonia shot before fall cruise to Bermuda in 2018, Md told me no worries you will be fine. Very bad decision, I got sicker than a dog, for 3 days,  fever, nausea my arm was red and swollen. Still enjoyed the cruise and Bermuda. Quite a memory. When we got back I called Md, said it was probably the pneumonia shot. Never again within a couple of weeks of cruising will I get a shot. We are lucky we have a 11/30 cruise. Last year we had a cruise to Bermuda April 27 and Coco Key Dec 1, we looked at doing the same this year but we couldn´t get away this spring .We have 1 booked for Dec of 21, and are looking at a spring cruise in 21. I think all will be squared away by Sept. Hopefully 

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On 4/11/2020 at 7:35 AM, tonyfsu21 said:

Another thought. “If” RC went bust and changed names (Royal Caribbean Voyages International) it seems as if

1. any earned status for the former company is gone.

2. FCC or and money in a future cruise will be forfeited.

I really hope this doesn’t happen but truthfully I don’t see how it couldn’t. 

Entirely possible but for every airline that went into bankruptcy they didn't abandon their frequent flier program because they knew that would be a disaster.  

Bankruptcy is certainly on the table for them to consider but I think it would be tremendously foolish to eliminate the loyal fan base in the process.  

There is a cost to CAS but it has proven to be good for the business otherwise they would have gutted the beast long ago.  The fact that they feared the cost of modifying CAS during the good times indicates they are all too well aware how valuable the fan base is. 

Modify CAS benefits perhaps such as unlimited happy hour drinks but to wipe out CAS could prove to be near fatal for any post-bankruptcy recovery.  The fan base could flock to the competition since it would be an even playing field and from a sense of abandonment.  Even if that mass migration was short lived for a year or two that would buoy up the competition while wreaking havoc on their own results during the time they need it the most.

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1 hour ago, WAAAYTOOO said:

I also believe that if there was ever going to be a time to remodel some of the thresholds (points’ requirements and levels’ requirements) it is now.  I won’t be at all surprised to see a few tweaks come out of this hiatus.

If it does, what would your expectations be? I was guessing any kind of tweaking would be something like the below, curious to hear what other people think.

  • It becomes a smidge harder to get to Diamond (say 90 or even 100 points instead of the current 80)
  • Diamond Plus gets replaced by a true distinct tier, also with a higher point threshold (Maybe even 350 as the mid-point to Pinnacle?) -- and it's given a benefits level to match the rise in points; people already at Diamond Plus stay grandfathered in.
  • Emerald maybe goes away for new C&A members (I've lost count of how many times @Matt has said it's more of a vanity level than anything useful)

Hopefully they don't increase Platinum, or alter the benefits too much. That still needs at least 5 sailings to reach and all accounts say the benefits compared to other cruise lines' first "real" benefits are a lot better. I'm at 23 points, and just need one more 7-night sailing to hit that level; would stink if they raised it to a point where I'd need a lot more than that after getting this close.

 

What I'd really like to see, though, is a realignment of Celebrity's Captain's Club levels. I'm not saying it should be as easy as Royal's, but good lord do they make it near-impossible for someone to get to Elite or even Select the "hard way"! Unless you do every sailing in Aqua class or higher, you have to sail far more times on X to get to an equivalent level. They've said they're trying to move their demographic younger (i.e., non-retirees), and to me that means adjusting CC to reflect that younger people don't cruise as often as retirees can and do, especially when spending the extra money it costs to sail with them.

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Truly, I have no idea....but I think that if there are any changes it will be to the higher tier levels making it harder to get to P.  I can see them moving P from 700 to 1000 and then moving D and D+ up from their current levels. Who knows.  There will be gnashing of teeth and rending of cloth over any changes but I think that many are distracted right now and the very fact that cruising will be returning (when/if it does !) that the outcry would not be as loud as it would during "the salad days" [extra points if you know what film that one comes from].

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