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Bonus for looking past the PVSA and addressing immigration issues related to foreign crew visas.  

To restrict the imposition by the Secretary of Homeland Security of 
   fines, penalties, duties, or tariffs applicable only to coastwise 
  voyages, or prohibit otherwise qualified non-United States citizens 
  from serving as crew, on specified vessels transporting passengers 
 between the State of Washington and the State of Alaska, to address a 
Canadian cruise ship ban and the extraordinary impacts of the COVID-19 
        pandemic on Alaskan communities, and for other purposes.
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22 minutes ago, Baked Alaska said:

https://www.royalcaribbeanblog.com/2021/05/13/bill-allow-cruise-ships-sail-alaska-without-stopping-canada-passes-us-senate

Should this bill pass in the house AND then extended into the summer 2022 cruise season, I wonder how this would impact Radiance sailings, namely the open-jaw nature of her sailing involving Vancouver.

One, I believe this is only until the ban is lifted in February 2022. Second, if the ban remains, I would imagine the cruise would terminate/begin in Seattle instead. 
 

I’m on Radiance next May. 

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14 minutes ago, Baked Alaska said:

I wonder how this will impact Radiance, namely the open-jaw nature of her sailing involving Vancouver.

The act specifically states voyages between Washington State and Alaska so the act itself doesn't change anything for one-way North/South cruises.

Royal can at its discretion cancel any Canadian voyages and look to redeploy the ship from Seattle but it may run into scheduling challenges due to the limited number of berths in Seattle.  That may also require changing the ports of call to make it work. 

Other cruise lines are also scrambling to consider this so it's a bit of a game of musical chairs.  A new Seattle deployment might have to involve changing to a mid-week departure for example.  

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35 minutes ago, cruisellama said:

If this happens, and cruises start, will Canada be anyway influenced to get back in the game?

Canada is still struggling with the virus.  Some stores remain shut in areas.  Rolling lockdowns.

Second dose 4 months after first dose due to vaccine shortages and rationing.  This week they stopped offering the AstraZeneca vaccine contributing to the slow vaccine rollout.

IIRC it will be September before the general population will have a decent opportunity to be fully vaxxed.  For now they are aiming for a "one dose summer".

I think Canada will sit this one out and wait until 2022.

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39 minutes ago, twangster said:

The act specifically states voyages between Washington State and Alaska so the act itself doesn't change anything for one-way North/South cruises.

Royal can at its discretion cancel any Canadian voyages and look to redeploy the ship from Seattle but it may run into scheduling challenges due to the limited number of berths in Seattle.  That may also require changing the ports of call to make it work. 

Other cruise lines are also scrambling to consider this so it's a bit of a game of musical chairs.  A new Seattle deployment might have to involve changing to a mid-week departure for example.  

I was reading on another thread, escapes me which one, about folks already scheduling their flights for next summer. If this is the case above, I would think my July 22, 2022 Radiance sailing will be canceled. I'm an über planner, so this is killing me!

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8 minutes ago, Baked Alaska said:

I was reading on another thread, escapes me which one, about folks already scheduling their flights for next summer. If this is the case above, I would think my July 22, 2022 Radiance sailing will be canceled. I'm an über planner, so this is killing me!

July 2022 should be fine.  

Canada's cruise ship ban runs until February 2022.  

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1 hour ago, twangster said:

The act specifically states voyages between Washington State and Alaska so the act itself doesn't change anything for one-way North/South cruises.

Royal can at its discretion cancel any Canadian voyages and look to redeploy the ship from Seattle but it may run into scheduling challenges due to the limited number of berths in Seattle.  That may also require changing the ports of call to make it work. 

Other cruise lines are also scrambling to consider this so it's a bit of a game of musical chairs.  A new Seattle deployment might have to involve changing to a mid-week departure for example.  

I love the ports of call on these sailings. I hope they would not change those. The order wouldn't be a big deal to me, but losing them would be a game changer.  

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10 minutes ago, Baked Alaska said:

I love the ports of call on these sailings. I hope they would not change those. The order wouldn't be a big deal to me, but losing them would be a game changer.  

July of 2022 shouldn't be an issue and isn't in scope for the act passed by the Senate.

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Please educate me, I have no experience with even researching Alaska cruises. Why is this legislation needed? I understand Canada has halted cruises due to the virus, but why is legislation necessary to allow cruising from one US state to another?

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20 minutes ago, Elnoz said:

Please educate me, I have no experience with even researching Alaska cruises. Why is this legislation needed? I understand Canada has halted cruises due to the virus, but why is legislation necessary to allow cruising from one US state to another?

Check out Matt's blog on this:

Royal Caribbean Group CEO on 2021 Alaska cruises: "reason for some hope" | Royal Caribbean Blog

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55 minutes ago, Heymarco said:

I think the bill should have just made the exclusion permanent. The goal of the PVSA was to help US firms and workers. For Alaskan cruises, it only benefits Canada.

That's not entirely true.  There are a number of small cruise lines and shipping companies that are American with American workers with service on some of the same routes.

The PVSA impacts nearly every commercial passenger vessel in America from water taxis in Boston to duckboats in Missouri to ferries servicing Staten Island to river boats on the Mississippi or in Washington State.

The cruising public is oblivious to the extent that the PVSA touches Americans from coast to coast.  The contribution of the PVSA fleet far exceeds the impact of foreign cruise lines.

US flagged ship are subject to regulations and inspections that far exceed what foreign ships are subject to.  That greatly improves safety across all commercial passenger vessels that are subject to these regulations.

Beyond the PVSA is the foreign worker component.  Once a ship operates from US ports with no international stops they are subject to US labor laws.  Crew have to pay US state and federal taxes like the rest of us.  Ships have to follow US labor practices.  None of that applies to foreign passenger ships that operate under the PVSA.

I've not even touched upon a fraction of the issues.  Once you start digging into the details you quickly get into international maritime treaties and complexities that are valid and in place for very good reasons.

"I'm not allowed to take a cruise I want, therefore it should change" is such a misinformed position.

It is after all the Passenger Vessel Services Act, not the "Cruise Ship Act".  

There is a reason why any attempt to bring the PVSA up before Congress never makes it out of committee.  No one on either side of the aisle is willing to touch it once they are informed on the far reaching impacts beyond taking a cruise.

Even cruise lines have no desire to modify the PVSA.  No CLIA member cruise line has signalled any desire to change it because they know that would be a disaster to their very successful business model.  

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Re the PVSA .... this is not an area of the law or U.S.C. that I am familiar with. Appreciate your insight @twangster.

Readers and posters here are generally pretty well informed but it goes without saying that the complexity of the rules and regulations affecting the cruise industry as we know and enjoy it make it difficult for well informed positions to emerge among the vast number of folks, both who frequent this blog and who don't, that have or plan to cruise.

The one you mention, "I'm not allowed to take a cruise I want, therefore it should change" being "such a misinformed position." applies to a lot of takes I see here and elsewhere on social media.

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DId this reporter take a marijuana?

"The CDC relaxed its rules on cruising in October — too late to rescue 2020’s Alaska cruise season, which generally runs from May until September. But cruising has slowly resumed in places like Florida and Southern California. "

Wait...WHAT???

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/senate-passes-bill-to-lift-restrictions-on-seattle-to-alaska-cruises/?utm_source=marketingcloud&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=TSA_051421034317+Seattle-to-Alaska+cruises+inch+closer+to+restarting_5_13_2021&utm_term=Active subscriber

 

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8 minutes ago, twangster said:

NSO became CSO in October.

"You can not sail" became "It's virtually impossible to sail but we'll tell you more in 188 days".

I guess that amounts to easing restrictions? 

I'll assume that the "journalist" conflated the recent modification of the CSO as being the original CSO.  How that person thinks cruising has begun in CA and FL, well I can't make a guess at that one.

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9 minutes ago, smokeybandit said:

I'll assume that the "journalist" conflated the recent modification of the CSO as being the original CSO.  How that person thinks cruising has begun in CA and FL, well I can't make a guess at that one.

Some small US flagged cruise lines have resumed service.  That was April IIRC, at least in Florida.  

Ships too small for the CSO to apply.

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