Jump to content
Royal Caribbean Blog

Cruise lines treated unfairly by CDC


Recommended Posts

20 minutes ago, bytheslice said:

Never did I think potus would use government agencies to harm the hard working members of the cruise lines. 

I agree with you. Early on in this debacle, the cruise lines were mentioned early and often for consideration. Those frequent acknowledgements have fallen off. There are a lot of forces at work, but I remain optimistic that logic and reason will prevail.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Unfortunately cruise lines are the Raccoon City of Covid-19. The fact that you had nowhere to go, if you caught it just looked bad. It was all optics and spinning. Add into the fact that cruising isn't essential and is not "American," if one of the cruise lines was all-American, you can bet the outcome would be different. Airlines aide in transport and business, cruises provide nothing but pure leisure as a good chink of the workforce is foreign born. Cruise lines are considered international business, regardless of the port taxes and fees they pay....so the US government couldn't care less whether they survive.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Port Canaveral’s chief executive says the cruise industry is not getting fair treatment from the Centers for Disease Control. Industry leaders say that’s making the pain even worse for one of Central Florida’s biggest economic players.

Cruise ships remain dead in the water, offshore or in Port Canaveral. There’s some hope that some cruises will start again around Aug. 1.

Advertisement

"The CDC has not acted on any plan for the cruise lines to return. In fact, just the opposite. The CDC still has their no-sail order in effect until July 24," Capt. John Murray, Port Canaveral's chief executive officer said.

At a recent meeting of the Canaveral Port Authority, Murray said cruise lines are getting blame they don’t deserve.

"They’ve really taken an unfair hit with the coronavirus outbreak. It’s almost as if they’ve been earmarked as the folks that brought it to the United States. That’s far from the truth," Murray said.

As a result, the port’s revenue is down $7.5 million a month and the cruise industry’s billion-dollar economic impact on Central Florida is down to zero. Carnival Cruise Line has selected Port Canaveral as one of just three ports it will use when it begins to operate around Aug. 1.

Disney Cruise Line hopes for a limited startup at about the same time. Murray says he sees a lot of pent-up demand from people who are still willing to take a cruise but they can’t do it without federal approval.

Cruises, when they restart, will start slowly, with ships that will not be full. Industry leaders say it’ll take quite awhile to rebuild trust before a majority of the public sees cruising as a safe thing to do.

 

Sponsored Content

Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Jill said:


“The CDC waited “it’s entire existence for this moment.” What went wrong?”

 

I believe the CDC, like many Government and non-government organizations are good at the status quo. Every year they remind us to get a flu shot, keep some statistics and media reminds us of their expertise. When events escalated the CDC and those other organizations had their incompetence exposed at a leadership level.

Link to post
Share on other sites

I agree with @Ogilthorpe seriously reading my mind. To add to it I feel like the CDC is "enjoying" their "celebrity" right now.....and they want to continue to feel relevant, so go after the cruise industry. They stay relevant and they "ONLY" really hurt this industry/people. It's easy because of the "not US flagged" situation. 

I just returned from a drive over at Clearwater Beach Florida. The place was packed, license plates from everywhere that is still locked down, no CDC comments there, it was a sea of people enjoying themselves. 

Enough CDC we get it you're the schoolyard bully and only have us to pick on, everyone else told you to pound salt, time to lift the no sail order, the cruise lines will " police" themselves, get out of their way! RANT OVER....

Be safe, stay healthy....wash your hands, let's get some direction and sail. 

Link to post
Share on other sites

The CDC has no real authority over states.  They can issue "guidelines" and "recommendations" which they did and which were promptly ignored by all states in the motion to reopen.  

However the CDC DOES have authority over cruise ships.  Theme parks and similar have to deal with local or state government agencies which often are small departments that are understaffed and underfunded.  Theme parks are not directly regulated or controlled by the CDC.

So it seems with states largely ignoring the CDC they went overboard creating policy for the one thing they can sink they teeth into - cruise ships.  

 

Link to post
Share on other sites
23 minutes ago, twangster said:

The CDC has no real authority over states.  They can issue "guidelines" and "recommendations" which they did and which were promptly ignored by all states in the motion to reopen.  

However the CDC DOES have authority over cruise ships.  Theme parks and similar have to deal with local or state government agencies which often are small departments that are understaffed and underfunded.  Theme parks are not directly regulated or controlled by the CDC.

So it seems with states largely ignoring the CDC they went overboard creating policy for the one thing they can sink they teeth into - cruise ships.  

 

I’ve got an idea. Let’s get a Delorean and we can go back to the 1970s and convince the CDC that the cruise ship industry will never be big enough for them to care about. While we’re there we’ll definitely have to get some apple stock. 

Link to post
Share on other sites
34 minutes ago, twangster said:

The CDC has no real authority over states.  They can issue "guidelines" and "recommendations" which they did and which were promptly ignored by all states in the motion to reopen.  

However the CDC DOES have authority over cruise ships.  Theme parks and similar have to deal with local or state government agencies which often are small departments that are understaffed and underfunded.  Theme parks are not directly regulated or controlled by the CDC.

So it seems with states largely ignoring the CDC they went overboard creating policy for the one thing they can sink they teeth into - cruise ships.  

 

When I was an epidemiologist for the state of Kansas, the CDC gave us guidance in the lab, contact tracing (via Disease Intervention Specialists), and other assistance, but teeth were not one of them. When I became a Bi-County Health Department Administrator and County Health Officer, I had more teeth, as long as my Board of Health and County Administrators were willing to put their necks out. So, if you've got a political agenda guiding your Boards, you, as a Health Officer, will probably not get things done that need to be done, e.g., TB & HIV control for starters, Child Care facility licensing, restaurant inspections, even rabies control. It is VERY political, especially at the local level, be it Orange County, Florida, Miami-Dade County Florida, or BFE, Kansas.

Edited by Baked Alaska
Grammar police.
Link to post
Share on other sites
4 hours ago, Neesa said:

I agree with @Ogilthorpe seriously reading my mind. To add to it I feel like the CDC is "enjoying" their "celebrity" right now.....and they want to continue to feel relevant, so go after the cruise industry. They stay relevant and they "ONLY" really hurt this industry/people. It's easy because of the "not US flagged" situation. 

I just returned from a drive over at Clearwater Beach Florida. The place was packed, license plates from everywhere that is still locked down, no CDC comments there, it was a sea of people enjoying themselves. 

Enough CDC we get it you're the schoolyard bully and only have us to pick on, everyone else told you to pound salt, time to lift the no sail order, the cruise lines will " police" themselves, get out of their way! RANT OVER....

Be safe, stay healthy....wash your hands, let's get some direction and sail. 

I agree. They are the nerd in class that just got more power and they are now going to flex their muscles awhile. I wonder if the cruise lines could sail out of other places not controlled by the CDC and just never touch US soil that is regulated by the CDC. All of the ships are based in places like the Bahamas. Could it be a loophole? I would gladly take a flight in order to cruise.

Link to post
Share on other sites
48 minutes ago, Mrs. Thomas said:

I agree. They are the nerd in class that just got more power and they are now going to flex their muscles awhile. I wonder if the cruise lines could sail out of other places not controlled by the CDC and just never touch US soil that is regulated by the CDC. All of the ships are based in places like the Bahamas. Could it be a loophole? I would gladly take a flight in order to cruise.

We know Nassau can handle 6  or more ships a day but their airport could never handle 24000+ people per day.  Same with somewhere like Cozumel, they have been known to have 8 ships in port in Cozumel which could equate to 30,000 people coming in to board ships.  Cozumel in 2019 handled 546,423 passengers at its airport.  I couldnt see them doing that many people every 20 days.  

I love how you can go stand in line at TSA (no sanitation requirements no checks) wait for your plane, board a plane that could have close to 2000 people a day fly on it and no CDC guidelines need to be in place for this.  

Link to post
Share on other sites
58 minutes ago, Mrs. Thomas said:

I wonder if the cruise lines could sail out of other places not controlled by the CDC and just never touch US soil that is regulated by the CDC. All of the ships are based in places like the Bahamas. Could it be a loophole?

Resupply would be an issue.  All the food and in some cases drinking water, plus the other supplies we don't think of.  

Few Caribbean nations can supply everything needed to restock a ship so it would all have to be ordered and shipped from the US then warehoused in cold storage.  That would add significant cost and some question of integrity of food.  

I trust U.S. suppliers.  Once its in the hands of another country even if briefly I can see lots of potential for spoilage and other issues.  For older ships that take on drinking water, that's another issue.  They might get around the CDC but at what cost?

Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Andrew72681 said:

I’ve got an idea. Let’s get a Delorean and we can go back to the 1970s and convince the CDC that the cruise ship industry will never be big enough for them to care about. While we’re there we’ll definitely have to get some apple stock. 

Doc would be upset you're using the time machine for financial gain :). 

Link to post
Share on other sites
14 minutes ago, bytheslice said:

Great post, right on target. Incompetence at the highest leadership level, this is what happens with 3 years of no adult leadership😢

The problem has existed for decades and doesn't stop with the CDC. Include the FDA and the WHO and you have 3 of the most corrupt organizations on the planet ... and that's just in this grouping!  Branch out to virtually any with an acronym... and we could fill a page! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Link to post
Share on other sites

@Ogilthorpe Not to mention most unions and charitable organizations. Truthfully anything used as oversight is often far reaching when they can be.

While I agree the CDC is trying to prove they are gown😜, they too won't fare well if the cruise lines get any bad press. They shot themselves in the foot by requiring a protocol.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
×
×
  • Create New...