Gadget Hackwrench Posted April 4 Report Posted April 4 Now I know the entirety of the cruise industry along with most of the economy has been negatively impacted by recent announcements of tariffs on imports and the inevitable retaliatory tariffs on the other side, but I want to know how these tariffs will specifically impact me as a cruiser to a foreign country. What specific changes will I notice other than locals not having as pleasant a reaction to seeing me in their fine establishments? Should I throw on Canadian maple leaf themed clothes and try to convince people I am a local to obtain better service? How will it impact goods purchased on ship and at these destinations for re-entry at customs?
smokeybandit Posted April 4 Report Posted April 4 A stock price has no bearing on actual cruises. You don't notice any single change on board.
NotPayinExtra Posted April 4 Report Posted April 4 33 minutes ago, smokeybandit said: You don't notice any single change on board. But I wouldn't advertise being an American on land.
smokeybandit Posted April 4 Report Posted April 4 29 minutes ago, NotPayinExtra said: But I wouldn't advertise being an American on land. You're thinking too deeply into all this. Only a handful of people on either side would personally hold another country's citizens responsible for disagreeing with another country's leaders. teddy, Vancity Cruiser and PhillyLady 3
ChessE4 Posted April 4 Report Posted April 4 In terms of minmizing American tourist dress, I plan on a Rick Steve's look in Europe and an Alaskan look for Vancouver/Alaska.
Biaggio Posted April 4 Report Posted April 4 Could have an impact on where the ships are registered. Believe they use the Bahamas.
Geezer Of The Seas Posted April 4 Report Posted April 4 This might look like topic drift, but bananas and avocados and guacamole along with other fruits/veggies might be impacted when ships are provisioned in the US. A lot of the aforementioned items are imported to facilitate year round availability. Probably depends on how Royal and the other lines do their grocery shopping. I'm still wowed by the recently acquired knowledge that the US is the largest consumer of bananas in the world and the largest customer for Guatemala's banana crop. WAAAYTOOO 1
Vancity Cruiser Posted April 4 Report Posted April 4 5 hours ago, Gadget Hackwrench said: Should I throw on Canadian maple leaf themed clothes and try to convince people I am a local to obtain better service? How will it impact goods purchased on ship and at these destinations for re-entry at customs? SpeedNoodles, SplashOfWater, dougalsgirl and 3 others 6
Vancity Cruiser Posted April 4 Report Posted April 4 3 hours ago, smokeybandit said: You're thinking too deeply into all this. Only a handful of people on either side would personally hold another country's citizens responsible for disagreeing with another country's leaders. https://www.surreynowleader.com/news/reaffirming-friendship-hundreds-gather-at-peace-arch-to-show-solidarity-7898863
Pattycruise Posted April 5 Report Posted April 5 If imagine tourist business owners would want our money. If they don’t, that’ll save me $.
Traveling Mike Posted April 5 Report Posted April 5 @Matt Why are we having a Political Discussion on Royal Caribbean Blog? King of Wales and TXcruzer 1 1
Ray Posted April 5 Report Posted April 5 Shouldn't make much of a difference as Americans have been disliked across the world for years due to their arrogance and looking down on everyone else . King of Wales and Poolside 1 1
bobroo Posted April 5 Report Posted April 5 3 hours ago, Traveling Mike said: @Matt Why are we having a Political Discussion on Royal Caribbean Blog? Because the affects of these tariffs and change in US government foreign relation policy is so dramatic and severe that they can not be ignored. Meaning: US consumers ain't going on no overindulgent cruise vacation. And the ones that do keep their reservations will not have free spending discretionary money once they are onboard. Foreign passport holders have already begun to cancel cruises from US ports and for good reason. If things are left as they stand, I've got some very bad news for you Seapass holder.....You thought COVID was bad for the cruise industry??? Boy, is there a surprise waiting you! RCIfan1912 1
Smokey79 Posted April 5 Report Posted April 5 I would say the topic would be ok to pursue if it was kept apolitical but as we’ve already seen it can’t. Which is quite unfortunate but given the current climate, not that surprising. I do like this place as it’s almost a refuge from the insane vitriol that we are surrounded by and bombarded with every day now. Matt has given us a place to come together as a group and discuss one thing in which we all share a common interest. Outside of that one thing, I doubt we all agree on everything going on in the world. However, to me that shows that through all the lunacy, it is totally possible to have actual friendly conversations with those outside of your “camp”. I’m sorry but I think that that is something that has been lost by a lot of people. Have a good morning everyone. Time to go get on the road. 14 hour drive to catch a big boat at Port Everglades. ImOnlyHereForTheInk, Mike.s, PhillyLady and 7 others 7 2 1
OCSC Mike Posted April 5 Report Posted April 5 22 minutes ago, Smokey79 said: I would say the topic would be ok to pursue if it was kept apolitical Agreed. SeaSunnedTraveler and RCIfan1912 1 1
ChessE4 Posted April 5 Report Posted April 5 5 hours ago, Traveling Mike said: @Matt Why are we having a Political Discussion on Royal Caribbean Blog? You are right that we need to stick to OP question on what we should do about or plan for booked cruises. We aren't going to cancel 2025 or 26 cruises, but as always, we will be careful and try to act as citizens of the world. We aren't planning 2027 yet but believe things will settle down sooner rather than later. Bottom line: we will continue cruising. OCSC Mike 1
RCIfan1912 Posted April 5 Report Posted April 5 Well I was made fun of a month or so ago because I was asking about attitude or angry people when we go to Canada in May. Now I'm actually a tad worried but I bought a "I stand with Canada" T-Shirt that i will wear in Halifax. Now unfortunate way but wee may finally see cruise prices drop which I could use on a few on the ones we have booked.
smokeybandit Posted April 5 Report Posted April 5 8 minutes ago, RCIfan1912 said: Well I was made fun of a month or so ago because I was asking about attitude or angry people when we go to Canada in May. Now I'm actually a tad worried You shouldn't have been worried then and you shouldn't be worried now. 99% of Americans and Canadians are going to treat each other correctly. ImOnlyHereForTheInk and PhillyLady 2
BB1 Posted April 5 Report Posted April 5 Not for political reasons but I would love to bypass Canada on the way to Alaska. Everyone fear mongers but I think good changes could come. If you're worried about a certain port or country, and let's be serious, most are 3rd world and dangerous, stay on the ship.
RCIfan1912 Posted April 5 Report Posted April 5 28 minutes ago, smokeybandit said: You shouldn't have been worried then and you shouldn't be worried now. 99% of Americans and Canadians are going to treat each other correctly. You can only push people so far before things turn ugly.
Matt Posted April 5 Report Posted April 5 2 hours ago, Smokey79 said: I would say the topic would be ok to pursue if it was kept apolitical I'll let this thread keep going, but please keep politics out of the discussion. Purely cruise industry, stock, rising prices, please and thank you. PhillyLady, Carlos A., TJP and 2 others 5
TXcruzer Posted April 5 Report Posted April 5 3 hours ago, bobroo said: . Foreign passport holders have already begun to cancel cruises from US ports and for good reason. Source?
RCIfan1912 Posted April 5 Report Posted April 5 Well on the topic of tariffs and cruises I'm not sure it will affect cruises prices because cruise fares are not based on how much food goes up. What I mean is you are not specifically paying for any one thing when you book a cruise. Now the economy tanking should affect cruise prices but we will see.
smokeybandit Posted April 5 Report Posted April 5 3 hours ago, bobroo said: Because the affects of these tariffs and change in US government foreign relation policy is so dramatic and severe that they can not be ignored. Meaning: US consumers ain't going on no overindulgent cruise vacation. And the ones that do keep their reservations will not have free spending discretionary money once they are onboard. Foreign passport holders have already begun to cancel cruises from US ports and for good reason. If things are left as they stand, I've got some very bad news for you Seapass holder.....You thought COVID was bad for the cruise industry??? Boy, is there a surprise waiting you! None of this is true. fireclan, WAAAYTOOO, Traveling Mike and 1 other 4
BB1 Posted April 5 Report Posted April 5 It will be interesting to see if anything changes. People may travel abroad less which may actually increase cruise demand. I've been amazed over the years how much people will spend on vacations and entertainment, think $1,000 concert tickets. Only time will tell. These are all just guesses.
bobroo Posted April 5 Report Posted April 5 As a benchmark, this was Royal Caribbean one year ago-- almost to the day. RCIfan1912 and PhillyLady 2
Rackham Posted April 5 Report Posted April 5 8 minutes ago, BB1 said: It will be interesting to see if anything changes. People may travel abroad less which may actually increase cruise demand. I've been amazed over the years how much people will spend on vacations and entertainment, think $1,000 concert tickets. Only time will tell. These are all just guesses. I don't know if demand would increase, but people are wanting experiences and Royal can lower prices to fill ships if needed (which could lead to increased demand if land based trips are more expensive). I could also see people cutting back on dining out and other kind of "day-to-day" vacation-y activities to be able to afford a traditional trip. And even during a depression, or serious inflation, some people will still have money to spend. Will there be people who can no longer afford to cruise? Yes. Will it be enough to tank the industry like the COVID shutdown? Doubtful.
SeaSunnedTraveler Posted April 5 Report Posted April 5 5 hours ago, Smokey79 said: Have a good morning everyone. Time to go get on the road. 14 hour drive to catch a big boat at Port Everglades. Have fun.
SeaSunnedTraveler Posted April 5 Report Posted April 5 Speaking of increasing food prices, I just rebooked the UDP for my upcoming cruises because the prices had dropped to some of the lowest, if not the lowest price I have seen in a few years. Around $30/pd/pp + tax. RCIfan1912 1
NotPayinExtra Posted April 5 Report Posted April 5 On 4/4/2025 at 12:32 PM, smokeybandit said: You're thinking too deeply into all this. Only a handful of people on either side would personally hold another country's citizens responsible for disagreeing with another country's leaders. It's stems from how deeply ashamed I am of where I come from. And no I don't believe I am thinking to deeply. It's better to not advertise at all where you come from at the moment. I truly believe that is a wise course of action.
NotPayinExtra Posted April 5 Report Posted April 5 https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/05/world/canada-travel-advisory-us-electronic-devices-intl-latam/index.html This says it all. Travel is essentially not safe. Certainly reason to be concerned and not adverse where you are from etc.
smokeybandit Posted April 5 Report Posted April 5 3 minutes ago, NotPayinExtra said: https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/05/world/canada-travel-advisory-us-electronic-devices-intl-latam/index.html This says it all. Travel is essentially not safe. Certainly reason to be concerned and not adverse where you are from etc. This has been the border policy for 15+ years. This is not something new. And about 0.01% of people entering the country have their phones searched, according to data from CBP. If you have such concerns about traveling, I'd suggest taking a break from cruising for a while.
NotPayinExtra Posted April 5 Report Posted April 5 3 minutes ago, smokeybandit said: This has been the border policy for 15+ years. This is not something new. And about 0.01% of people entering the country have their phones searched, according to data from CBP. If you have such concerns about traveling, I'd suggest taking a break from cruising for a while. It has not been policy. You are spreading lies.
NotPayinExtra Posted April 5 Report Posted April 5 5 minutes ago, smokeybandit said: This has been the border policy for 15+ years. This is not something new. And about 0.01% of people entering the country have their phones searched, according to data from CBP. If you have such concerns about traveling, I'd suggest taking a break from cruising for a while. Anyone with common sense would be concerned to travel to and from the United States at this current time.
smokeybandit Posted April 5 Report Posted April 5 3 minutes ago, NotPayinExtra said: It has not been policy. You are spreading lies. Straight from the Dept of Homeland Security: https://www.dhs.gov/publication/border-searches-electronic-devices#:~:text=The U.S. Department of Homeland,the August 20%2C 2009 directive. And straight from the 2009 directive: "The advent of compact, large capacity, and inexpensive electronic devices, such as laptop computers, thumb drives, compact disks (CD), digital versatile disks (DVD), cell phones, subscriber identity module (SIM) cards, digital cameras, and other devices capable of storing electronic information (hereinafter “electronic devices”) has enabled the transportation of large volumes of information, some of which is highly personal in nature. When these devices are carried by a traveler crossing the U.S. border, these and all other belongings are subject to search by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to ensure the enforcement at the border of immigration, customs, and other federal laws."
NotPayinExtra Posted April 5 Report Posted April 5 Just now, smokeybandit said: Straight from the Dept of Homeland Security: https://www.dhs.gov/publication/border-searches-electronic-devices#:~:text=The U.S. Department of Homeland,the August 20%2C 2009 directive. From 2018. What moron put that rule in place.
smokeybandit Posted April 5 Report Posted April 5 Just now, NotPayinExtra said: From 2018. What moron put that rule in place. From 2009. Updated in 2018.
NotPayinExtra Posted April 5 Report Posted April 5 1 minute ago, smokeybandit said: Straight from the Dept of Homeland Security: https://www.dhs.gov/publication/border-searches-electronic-devices#:~:text=The U.S. Department of Homeland,the August 20%2C 2009 directive. Where does it list the percentage of times it's been used? You seem so sure.
NotPayinExtra Posted April 5 Report Posted April 5 Just now, smokeybandit said: From 2009. Updated in 2018. And we know who "updated" it don't we. Fact is this was NOT the normal procedure used on the daily until now. You and I both know it.
smokeybandit Posted April 5 Report Posted April 5 Just now, NotPayinExtra said: Where does it list the percentage of times it's been used? You seem so sure. "The number of travelers crossing the border that experience a border search of their electronic devices is small. In Fiscal Year (FY) 2024, less than 0.01 percent of arriving international travelers encountered by CBP at a port of entry had their electronic devices searched." https://www.cbp.gov/travel/cbp-search-authority/border-search-electronic-devices#:~:text=On rare occasions%2C CBP officers may search,other electronic devices during the inspection process.&text=In fact%2C CBP only conducted border searches,international travelers encountered at ports of entry. CruiseRoyalDad 1
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