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Does anyone know if the Royal Up program (as it is a 3rd party service) is privy to the initial fare price I paid? For example, if I initially paid $6,000.00 for a sailing and bid 500.00 but another bidder paid $9,000.00 for the same sailing and bid 500.00 or less, do they automatically dismiss my bid? Curious as to if the initial cost of the sailing is calculated in this process. 

I am in an amazing CLS (sky class) but bid on four Star class offers as doing the math it made sense, but does someone like me even stand a chance since I purchased my initial cabin on day one it was released and paid a lot less initially? Does anyone know more specifics of this program?? 

Thank you so much! 

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Your initial bid would be inconsequential to the bidding process.  What you or anyone else paid is money already in the “bank”, all that matters now is how much more money can be put in the bank in the form of upgrade bids. From a simple math and finances standpoint, all parties bidding for an upgrade are on the same footing.  

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1 hour ago, Neesa said:

Does anyone know if the Royal Up program (as it is a 3rd party service) is privy to the initial fare price I paid? For example, if I initially paid $6,000.00 for a sailing and bid 500.00 but another bidder paid $9,000.00 for the same sailing and bid 500.00 or less, do they automatically dismiss my bid? Curious as to if the initial cost of the sailing is calculated in this process. 

I am in an amazing CLS (sky class) but bid on four Star class offers as doing the math it made sense, but does someone like me even stand a chance since I purchased my initial cabin on day one it was released and paid a lot less initially? Does anyone know more specifics of this program?? 

Thank you so much! 

I had no idea Royal Up was a 3rd party vendor. 

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1 hour ago, Neesa said:

Does anyone know if the Royal Up program (as it is a 3rd party service) is privy to the initial fare price I paid? For example, if I initially paid $6,000.00 for a sailing and bid 500.00 but another bidder paid $9,000.00 for the same sailing and bid 500.00 or less, do they automatically dismiss my bid? Curious as to if the initial cost of the sailing is calculated in this process. 

I am in an amazing CLS (sky class) but bid on four Star class offers as doing the math it made sense, but does someone like me even stand a chance since I purchased my initial cabin on day one it was released and paid a lot less initially? Does anyone know more specifics of this program?? 

Thank you so much! 

This program is a bigger mystery then the club royale casino program. I wish someone would shed some light on it. I’ve participated in the program multiple times and always bid the maximum price (upgrading throughout the suite class range) and was somehow “outbid” once if that says anything. I have won every other time. If you can bet the maximum from CLS to star class and lose then there’s much more to the equation for sure. 

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12 minutes ago, tonyfsu21 said:

This program is a bigger mystery then the club royale casino program. I wish someone would shed some light on it. I’ve participated in the program multiple times and always bid the maximum price (upgrading throughout the suite class range) and was somehow “outbid” once if that says anything. I have won every other time. If you can bet the maximum from CLS to star class and lose then there’s much more to the equation for sure. 

There probably wasn't a cabin available.

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33 minutes ago, tonyfsu21 said:

This program is a bigger mystery then the club royale casino program. I wish someone would shed some light on it. I’ve participated in the program multiple times and always bid the maximum price (upgrading throughout the suite class range) and was somehow “outbid” once if that says anything. I have won every other time. If you can bet the maximum from CLS to star class and lose then there’s much more to the equation for sure. 

Maybe a bunch of people bid the max and they go by whoever bid first? That would be my guess...

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3 hours ago, wordell1 said:

There probably wasn't a cabin available.

This is likely the answer. Just b/c they allow you to bid for a RoyalUp does not mean that there is actually a cabin in that category available. They allow you to bid b/c there’s a possibility that someone in that sold out category may either cancel or win a RoyalUp and move out of their cabin, leaving a vacancy for someone else to move up and so on, down the line.

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No one really knows all the details or the decision criteria.  The same company handles several different cruise lines as well as some airlines. 

It's all about maximizing new revenue.  NEW revenue.  If they upgrade a JS to GS that opens a JS that they can charge a balcony to upgrade into which open up a balcony that an ocean view can upgrade into which opens up an ocean view that an interior can upgrade into.  But only if the right number of people will fit into those cabins and the associated muster stations and lifeboats for those cabins.  Upgrading two guests into a cabin that can sleep four might not make sense.  Upgrading four guests into a muster station with only two empty spots can't be done - everyone needs a spot in the right lifeboat by law.  

The line of succession upgrades can generate more new revenue for one scenario more than a different scenario.  How much you paid initially or your loyalty status has no bearing.  It's all about new revenue.  

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On 9/25/2021 at 4:26 PM, tonyfsu21 said:

This program is a bigger mystery then the club royale casino program. I wish someone would shed some light on it. I’ve participated in the program multiple times and always bid the maximum price (upgrading throughout the suite class range) and was somehow “outbid” once if that says anything. I have won every other time. If you can bet the maximum from CLS to star class and lose then there’s much more to the equation for sure. 

They don't consider bids individually, they consider chains of bids that tie together, and in some cases the fact that you bid maximum can be overridden by the fact that they can construct a longer chain of bids by giving them to someone else who bid less.

An example: Suppose you're in an Aqua Theater Suite 1 bedroom and you bid the maximum to upgrade to ATS 2 bedroom which happens to be $1000 per person.  Someone else in a Crown Loft Suite only bids $700 per person for an ATS 2 bedroom. BUT they also have someone looking to move up from a Junior Suite to a Crown Loft Suite who have bid $500 per person.

If they give the bid to you, they get $1000 for 2 people for a total of $2000. If they give it to the Crown Loft person they get $700x2 plus $500x2 for a total of $2400. They're going to give the ATS 2 bedroom to the lower bid because they end up making more money in total.

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On 9/30/2021 at 9:53 AM, karmamule said:

They're going to give the ATS 2 bedroom to the lower bid because they end up making more money in total.

You nailed it.

This program is actually brilliant on several levels. It can maximize additional revenue with this chain acceptance method. It can be used for data mining to get an idea of what people may be willing to pay for cabins. It allows for a resale of last minute cancellations. That's why you can't really assume anything from what cabins are offered to you to bid on.

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We are sailing on the Harmony of the seas on Dec 5.   Although I am happy with my 2 bedroom owners suite which is SKY class.  Going to STAR class with the difference in amenities would be worth it.  I bid the minimum on Royal up and I know the 2bdr AQS is STILL open and there is also another 2 bedroom owners suite open.  Will they accept my bid if NO ONE else books or bids on it?

 

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3 hours ago, Karen U said:

We are sailing on the Harmony of the seas on Dec 5.   Although I am happy with my 2 bedroom owners suite which is SKY class.  Going to STAR class with the difference in amenities would be worth it.  I bid the minimum on Royal up and I know the 2bdr AQS is STILL open and there is also another 2 bedroom owners suite open.  Will they accept my bid if NO ONE else books or bids on it?

 

If they can sell either of these suites outright then I’m sure they would do that vs taking a RU bid.  I would guess that if they do NOT sell them then they would accept RU bids.

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On 9/29/2021 at 7:53 PM, twangster said:

No one really knows all the details or the decision criteria.  The same company handles several different cruise lines as well as some airlines. 

It's all about maximizing new revenue.  NEW revenue.  If they upgrade a JS to GS that opens a JS that they can charge a balcony to upgrade into which open up a balcony that an ocean view can upgrade into which opens up an ocean view that an interior can upgrade into.  But only if the right number of people will fit into those cabins and the associated muster stations and lifeboats for those cabins.  Upgrading two guests into a cabin that can sleep four might not make sense.  Upgrading four guests into a muster station with only two empty spots can't be done - everyone needs a spot in the right lifeboat by law.  

The line of succession upgrades can generate more new revenue for one scenario more than a different scenario.  How much you paid initially or your loyalty status has no bearing.  It's all about new revenue.  

This makes sense. But what about attempting to upgrade to the star class? How much movement can be at the star class level unless someone wishes to make a lateral move to maybe a different deck. So basically if there’s a hold up at the star class level everything else below is held up?

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1 hour ago, tonyfsu21 said:

This makes sense. But what about attempting to upgrade to the star class? How much movement can be at the star class level unless someone wishes to make a lateral move to maybe a different deck. So basically if there’s a hold up at the star class level everything else below is held up?

I don't think PlusGrade has armies of people looking at each flight or each cruise they manage as a 3rd party.

As humans we focus on OUR cruise but PlusGrade is looking at hundreds of flights and cruises for all the companies they service.

It's all in an algorithm - that we'll never know the details about.  If they leave a few dollars on the table occasionally no one will likely know.

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