FionaMG Posted December 1, 2020 Report Share Posted December 1, 2020 So, I guess nobody from the boards here is fortunate enough to be on board or we'd have heard about it by now, but there is a poster over on CC who is posting live as I write this, with lots of photos for those of you are gasping for a cruise fix. Just look for the thread entitled "Quantum of the Seas 2 Night Opening Cruise". kc1968, acesandeights and monctonguy 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monctonguy Posted December 1, 2020 Report Share Posted December 1, 2020 Must be amazing to be on that cruise right now! acesandeights and cruisellama 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kc1968 Posted December 1, 2020 Report Share Posted December 1, 2020 2 hours ago, FionaMG said: So, I guess nobody from the boards here is fortunate enough to be on board or we'd have heard about it by now, but there is a poster over on CC who is posting live as I write this, with lots of photos for those of you are gasping for a cruise fix. Just look for the thread entitled "Quantum of the Seas 2 Night Opening Cruise". thanks for sharing... just checking it out. now we're even more excited to get on in jan ! everything just looks much classier than the genting cruise liner, food looks good too. can't wait for our turn.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FionaMG Posted December 1, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2020 We are so ready too. Today we are 299 days from our next sailing. I suppose dropping under 300 is a milestone but it seems sooooo far away. WAAAYTOOO, ehw51 and acesandeights 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovetocruise2002 Posted December 1, 2020 Report Share Posted December 1, 2020 3 hours ago, FionaMG said: So, I guess nobody from the boards here is fortunate enough to be on board or we'd have heard about it by now, but there is a poster over on CC who is posting live as I write this, with lots of photos for those of you are gasping for a cruise fix. Just look for the thread entitled "Quantum of the Seas 2 Night Opening Cruise". Actually, @Matt is covering it along with the Singapore Cruise Society as well. https://www.royalcaribbeanblog.com/2020/12/01/first-look-royal-caribbean-cruise-ship-begins-sailing-again-singapore?fbclid=IwAR1DUbw-BOlXTAuSEY7H0_kktQdhHFWvR4OKPWBl7_NmDSSQoHUbDqu7NCE Matt, Snotarni and sk8erguy1978 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FionaMG Posted December 1, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2020 32 minutes ago, Lovetocruise2002 said: Actually, @Matt is covering it along with the Singapore Cruise Society as well. https://www.royalcaribbeanblog.com/2020/12/01/first-look-royal-caribbean-cruise-ship-begins-sailing-again-singapore?fbclid=IwAR1DUbw-BOlXTAuSEY7H0_kktQdhHFWvR4OKPWBl7_NmDSSQoHUbDqu7NCE Haha, yes, thanks, I just found that a few minutes ago and have been enjoying the SCS's FB pics too. Lovetocruise2002 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monctonguy Posted December 1, 2020 Report Share Posted December 1, 2020 If nobody is allowed on the ship with Covid(and the tests that they use actually work like they say they do) then why all the masks and distancing..... I guess till vaccines are widely rolled out that will be the case...but you cant catch something that isn't there.... That being said, its nice to see a cruise happening..but still a LONG way to go before we get to that point in North America yet I feel(5-6 mths at least) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sk8erguy1978 Posted December 1, 2020 Report Share Posted December 1, 2020 59 minutes ago, monctonguy said: If nobody is allowed on the ship with Covid(and the tests that they use actually work like they say they do) then why all the masks and distancing..... I guess till vaccines are widely rolled out that will be the case...but you cant catch something that isn't there.... That being said, its nice to see a cruise happening..but still a LONG way to go before we get to that point in North America yet I feel(5-6 mths at least) If they are doing rapid tests while boarding they can easily say a positive person is negative. My understanding is they are only reliable if you have symptoms even then not that great. The PCR test is most reliable but only says you weren't positive the day it was done, even that isn't always true as @ericfromripppoints out it could take 14 days. I believe it takes 3-5 days incubation time in your system to show up as positive. So, if I had an exposure to a positive person, I'd be told to quarantine from the contact tracers and advised to get a test on day X, if that came back negative I could stop quarantining. I'd like to be positive and say we could be close to paying passengers, but I think your 6 month estimate is probably more realistic. Guess we will have to see how these test cruises go & how many are required for the CDC to give the clearance. acesandeights 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KWofPerth Posted December 1, 2020 Report Share Posted December 1, 2020 2 hours ago, sk8erguy1978 said: I'd like to be positive and say we could be close to paying passengers, but I think your 6 month estimate is probably more realistic. Guess we will have to see how these test cruises go & how many are required for the CDC to give the clearance. Interesting choice of words sk8erguy1978, PPPJJ-GCVAB and Poolside 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattymay Posted December 2, 2020 Report Share Posted December 2, 2020 4 hours ago, monctonguy said: If nobody is allowed on the ship with Covid(and the tests that they use actually work like they say they do) then why all the masks and distancing..... I guess till vaccines are widely rolled out that will be the case...but you cant catch something that isn't there.... That being said, its nice to see a cruise happening..but still a LONG way to go before we get to that point in North America yet I feel(5-6 mths at least) Masks, social distancing, and following the rules is probably why they are able to cruise now and everyone else is not. It's just an extension of what they are already doing on land even though they have just 1 known case of COVID in the country. JLMoran, USCG Teacher and KWofPerth 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattymay Posted December 2, 2020 Report Share Posted December 2, 2020 Wont fit many in TWO70 at that rate..lol WAAAYTOOO and KWofPerth 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kc1968 Posted December 2, 2020 Report Share Posted December 2, 2020 1 hour ago, mattymay said: Masks, social distancing, and following the rules is probably why they are able to cruise now and everyone else is not. It's just an extension of what they are already doing on land even though they have just 1 known case of COVID in the country. that's right, matty - safety first, i say. it's no joke if you're elderly and get it - good to be extra cautious. Yes, it does take some fun out of the holiday, but better than none at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicallyLazy Posted December 2, 2020 Report Share Posted December 2, 2020 I think it’s already mention but yes, it’s due to the possibility of false negatives from the test. Mask are already mandated in every public space in Singapore even on land, and the population has basically adjusted to that fact already, so it isn’t that big a deal to most singaporeans anymore. Also, take into consideration that Singapore as a country is similar/smaller in size than an average City. With no real options for travel right now besides cruising, I think most people wouldn’t mind wearing a mask as long as they can leave Singapore for a few days. Can’t exactly take a weekend drive to the countryside mattymay 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicallyLazy Posted December 2, 2020 Report Share Posted December 2, 2020 That being said, all these photos are getting me pumped for my first cruise. Sailing on March 1st Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirstenCapeTown Posted December 2, 2020 Report Share Posted December 2, 2020 I was surprised (and concerned) to see that there is a rule that guests that have tested positive in the last 180 days will not be permitted to sail - 180 days is a decent amount of time, and certainly enough time to recover and (hopefully) fit as a fiddle. I'm due to sail from Orlando in 291 days and I couldn't help but worry about "what if I test positive within the 180 period" but recover long before the cruise day?! Also, I'll be flying from Cape Town, South Africa, all the way to Orlando USA, so lots of potential exposure. acesandeights 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicallyLazy Posted December 2, 2020 Report Share Posted December 2, 2020 29 minutes ago, KirstenCapeTown said: I was surprised (and concerned) to see that there is a rule that guests that have tested positive in the last 180 days will not be permitted to sail - 180 days is a decent amount of time, and certainly enough time to recover and (hopefully) fit as a fiddle. I'm due to sail from Orlando in 291 days and I couldn't help but worry about "what if I test positive within the 180 period" but recover long before the cruise day?! Also, I'll be flying from Cape Town, South Africa, all the way to Orlando USA, so lots of potential exposure. The 180 day period is a Singapore Government rule so I don’t think the same would apply to the rest of the world should cruises resume. Of course, RCL may keep it to ensure safety on board. Who knows? Depending on what they decide, many things may change as Singapore has pretty strict laws in regards to the handling of COVID. Probably why the cases are Low enough to count on your fingers in recent weeks JLMoran and KirstenCapeTown 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunwoodyDad Posted December 2, 2020 Report Share Posted December 2, 2020 I definitely don’t get the 180 day rule. Seems like excluding people who have built up immunity is the opposite of what you would want. I mean, that is exactly what the vaccine does...builds up immunity just without you actually having it. WAAAYTOOO, Traveler and KirstenCapeTown 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monctonguy Posted December 2, 2020 Report Share Posted December 2, 2020 16 hours ago, sk8erguy1978 said: If they are doing rapid tests while boarding they can easily say a positive person is negative. My understanding is they are only reliable if you have symptoms even then not that great. The PCR test is most reliable but only says you weren't positive the day it was done, even that isn't always true as @ericfromripppoints out it could take 14 days. I believe it takes 3-5 days incubation time in your system to show up as positive. So, if I had an exposure to a positive person, I'd be told to quarantine from the contact tracers and advised to get a test on day X, if that came back negative I could stop quarantining. I'd like to be positive and say we could be close to paying passengers, but I think your 6 month estimate is probably more realistic. Guess we will have to see how these test cruises go & how many are required for the CDC to give the clearance. SO if tests don't work, then why let people on the ship...because masks and social distancing works? If so, then why bother with the cost and time of tests that apparently don't work.....and if masks/social distancing work, then anybody should be allowed on the ship sick or not based on that logic. If this is the case moving forward, then vaccines wont mean a damn thing...masks and social distancing and faulty tests will be the norm...good luck cruising with that kinda system in place. They had to do all this for a country that has ONE case?.....how in any world would anyone think that this going to work somewhere with millions of cases. I hope everyone here is wrong, but if you are all so sure and confident of this, I fear for the long term viability of the cruise industry. Gears 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kc1968 Posted December 2, 2020 Report Share Posted December 2, 2020 28 minutes ago, monctonguy said: SO if tests don't work, then why let people on the ship...because masks and social distancing works? If so, then why bother with the cost and time of tests that apparently don't work.....and if masks/social distancing work, then anybody should be allowed on the ship sick or not based on that logic. If this is the case moving forward, then vaccines wont mean a damn thing...masks and social distancing and faulty tests will be the norm...good luck cruising with that kinda system in place. They had to do all this for a country that has ONE case?.....how in any world would anyone think that this going to work somewhere with millions of cases. I hope everyone here is wrong, but if you are all so sure and confident of this, I fear for the long term viability of the cruise industry. I get where you're coming from, but allow me to pose a question. Assuming that there is a test that is 99.9% accurate, and RCL is confident of the testing and do away with social distancing and mask wearing, would you still be comfortable aboard the ship when another unknown party is huddled together in a large group very close to your table at the buffet and not wearing masks? I would think it's a good thing to enforce some social distance given the current climate, don't you? Strictly IMHO, mind you. DDaley and joshgates 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshgates Posted December 2, 2020 Report Share Posted December 2, 2020 27 minutes ago, monctonguy said: SO if tests don't work, then why let people on the ship...because masks and social distancing works? If so, then why bother with the cost and time of tests that apparently don't work.....and if masks/social distancing work, then anybody should be allowed on the ship sick or not based on that logic. No single precaution (that allows for cruising) is completely effective. Tests will catch some people, masks and social distancing will reduce the chances of spread for those that it misses, isolation reduces further when caught. The goal is to have enough precautions that work together to catch / reduce spread and can put cruising into an acceptable risk category. There's no silver bullet, even vaccines are going to take awhile, so we do as many other things as we can to lower the risk. With Singapore, they're doing all this for a country that has one case because they have one case. They have a system they follow and it works. Will it always be like this? I doubt it, but I fully expect it for the next year or two at least. DDaley and kc1968 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicallyLazy Posted December 2, 2020 Report Share Posted December 2, 2020 Think of it this way, you have a home (Cruise ship) with all your valuables inside it (passengers). To protect your valuables, you put in a fence (Testing) around your house to prevent a burglar (COVID) from getting into your house. Some burglars see the fence and decide to choose somewhere else (positive test result and denied boarding), other see it and decide to jump the fence anyway (false negative result and boards ship with virus). But before the burglar can get to your valuables, they have to get past your door lock (mask) and security system (social distancing) both of which may stop the burglar eventually or slow it until the police (quarantining suspected cases on board) arrive. None of those measure are 100% effective, but you use them anyway as a means to deter and act as firewalls. Hope this helps Lovetocruise2002 and kc1968 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sk8erguy1978 Posted December 2, 2020 Report Share Posted December 2, 2020 3 hours ago, monctonguy said: SO if tests don't work, then why let people on the ship...because masks and social distancing works? If so, then why bother with the cost and time of tests that apparently don't work.....and if masks/social distancing work, then anybody should be allowed on the ship sick or not based on that logic. I wouldn't go as far to say they don't work but unfortunately they are definitely not the "silver bullet." I'd assume they need to proceed with caution and suspect everyone is a carrier. Sadly, rapids aren't all that reliable from my understanding and it needs to build up in your system for a few days before you test positive on the reliable PCR test. My wife's an RN & EMT had a few exposures and always needed to wait a few days. Some she knew would test negative from PCR only to test positive on a second test (whether another PCR or rapid) because they felt ill a few days later. kc1968 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KWofPerth Posted December 2, 2020 Report Share Posted December 2, 2020 Think of each separate preventative measure as a slice of Swiss cheese. It has holes in it. But when you stack each separate slice together, the holes get covered. The more slices, the less holes and more protection. Traveler, teddy, RWDW1204 and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 3, 2020 Report Share Posted December 3, 2020 1 hour ago, KWofPerth said: Think of each separate preventative measure as a slice of Swiss cheese. It has holes in it. But when you stack each separate slice together, the holes get covered. The more slices, the less holes and more protection. Bingo. You nailed it KWofPerth, ehw51 and sk8erguy1978 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kc1968 Posted December 3, 2020 Report Share Posted December 3, 2020 Not trying to flog a dead horse, but just received an email from RCI that for the quantum sailings out of singapore - " It is now required for guests 6 years of age and older to wear masks on board." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sk8erguy1978 Posted December 3, 2020 Report Share Posted December 3, 2020 18 hours ago, KWofPerth said: Think of each separate preventative measure as a slice of Swiss cheese It has holes in it. But when you stack each separate slice together, the holes get covered. The more slices, the less holes and more protection. Great analogy! On a separate note, I am running out to purchase Swiss cheese as I suddenly have a craving. ehw51, FionaMG, KWofPerth and 2 others 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traveler Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 The 180 days rule will be gone once the vaccine program will start. Masks and social distancing will stay with us for a while until the time that finding someone that is positive after a cruise will not consider as the end of the world and a full stop for the industry again. ehw51 and cruisellama 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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