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2 minutes ago, twangster said:

Yes, but that means good prices.  🙂 

Millennium is coming over early to do some free first responder cruises then they added some Pacific Northwest and Alaska cruises starting April 20.  Rates are pretty good, $349 pp for 5 nights.  

Millennium makes sense (although that is a really good price), but if they're going to bring Quantum back to Los Angeles in March that would be a tough ship to fill on that short notice. Or is Quantum doing first responder cruises as well?

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I just went to the Royal app and see what you are saying with Quantum being for 2020.  Yes! I don’t blame them for moving out of Asia for the time-being either... I would think getting this planned logistically so close would be tough. Port schedules etc.   maybe some good pricing will come of the short notice for cruisers...While Royal will certainly take a hit financially with these changes... some awesome intro/last minUte pricing may be exactly what they need to get locals out in this west coast market introduced to the cruise line...Carnival is so popular out here.. blah.     

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15 minutes ago, Vangrizz said:

Millennium makes sense (although that is a really good price), but if they're going to bring Quantum back to Los Angeles in March that would be a tough ship to fill on that short notice. Or is Quantum doing first responder cruises as well?

Could be doing first responders but like when Empress and Majesty lost Cuba they sold those ships at ridiculously low rates and offered a lot of casino comps to fill the ships.  There was no single supplement and I added 6 cruises to my resume as a result.  

Better to minimize losses and cover some operating costs such as crew costs through daily gratuity charges plus a good way to shake up the west coast cruise industry with a cold weather ship in a colder ocean in the spring.  Quantum class is a good fit for CA cruising in the spring.  I also think people spend more on board when they get a bargain on the cruise fare.  Why not splurge on a beverage package or dining when the cruise cost so little?

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2 hours ago, GlowTheWeird said:

Interesting. I thought it was Voyager coming to the west coast. I can imagine some changes could come our way tho....  ready to drive to the port and not fly!! Woohoo!

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Voyager of the seas is showing up in Catalina July-Sept 2021

https://www.catalinachamber.com/community-information/catalina-cruise-ship-schedule/2021-cruise-ship-schedule/

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36 minutes ago, RoyalLaker said:

Voyager in 2021 has long been all but announced by Royal.  I suspect the interim shipyard visit they have planned for Voyager is to install the interface to accept shore power, a new requirement for ships in CA.  That's not a simple task as the power on a ship is a closed system that was never intended to be routinely switched over to shore power.  

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13 hours ago, twangster said:

Interesting.  The Royal app has Quantum in Singapore on March 8 - 13 then Los Angeles on Mar 9 - 13 with Catalina Island listed as the next port.
 
March 8 - 12 Singapore  
March 9 - 13 Los Angeles next port Catalina
March 13 - 18 Singapore
March 16 - 20 Los Angeles next port Catalina
March 18 - 22 Singapore
March 20 - 23 Los Angeles next port Ensenada 
March 22 - 27 Singapore
March 23 - 27  Los Angeles next port Catalina
March 27 - 30 Singapore
March 30 - Apr 3  Los Angeles next port Catalina
Mar 31 - Apr 3 Singapore
Apr 3 - 6 Los Angeles next port Ensenada 
 

I think the Singapore listings are the original cruises but the Los Angeles ones?  Who knows?

 

12 hours ago, Vangrizz said:

It looks like they're thinking about getting Quantum out of Asia for this March. Don't blame them, but wouldn't it be hard to fill sailings this close in?

I'm not looking at the app, just on Royal home page...they are still showing Quantum in the Asian market throughout the remaining year....my question, because I see no indication of changes to their itinerary, why do you think Royal is considering moving out of the Asian market, besides the circumstances with the Coronavirus...Royal still seem to be content to maintain current scheduling throughout March & April 2020?  

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10 hours ago, twangster said:

Voyager in 2021 has long been all but announced by Royal.  I suspect the interim shipyard visit they have planned for Voyager is to install the interface to accept shore power, a new requirement for ships in CA.  That's not a simple task as the power on a ship is a closed system that was never intended to be routinely switched over to shore power.  

According to the press release she's in China. POLA had her from June-Dec 2021 Catalina has her July-Sept 2021 Hawaii has her June 2021 Royals has her in China.

https://www.royalcaribbeanpresscenter.com/press-release/1425/royal-caribbean-announces-2021-deployment-from-shanghai/

Voyager Returns to China
Voyager will return to fanfare in Shanghai for summer 2021 with 4- and 5-night Japan itineraries. The ship, transformed following a $97 million amplification, touts a thrilling combination of experiences and amenities that make for an unforgettable family vacation. From The Perfect Storm duo of racer waterslides to the reinvigorated Vitality Spa and redesigned kids and teens spaces, Voyager will offer the standout family summer vacation in the region

 

35 minutes ago, Jaymac Radio said:

I am just wondering. Would quantum have to get shore power if she wants to sail out of LA?

China will require cruise ships to use shore power in 2021. They may have installed it on her recent dry dock.

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36 minutes ago, Jaymac Radio said:

I am just wondering. Would quantum have to get shore power if she wants to sail out of LA?

I was thinking about that.  It's possible they did Quantum in her dry dock.  I doubt that but it's possible.

There are also exceptions made on some basis.  If a ship isn't permanently home ported for example.  Millennium is supposed to be coming to CA for first responder cruises.  Was they adapted to accept shore power?

 

Just now, Zambia-Zaire said:

I'm not looking at the app, just on Royal home page...they are still showing Quantum in the Asian market throughout the remaining year....my question, because I see no indication of changes to their itinerary, why do you think Royal is considering moving out of the Asian market, besides the circumstances with the Coronavirus...Royal still seem to be content to maintain current scheduling throughout March & April 2020?  

It's an evolving situation changing by the day.   The news of the Westerdam passenger debarking with CV this weekend will cause a ripple effect and possibly more changes by the time Monday is here.  Royal has already warned the stock markets of what impact would be if they have to remain out of Asia through April so they are looking at this carefully with an understanding that it's a fluid situation.  If more Asian ports close to cruise ships that could force Royal into action.  

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1 minute ago, twangster said:

Royal has already warned the stock markets of what impact would be if they have to remain out of Asia through April so they are looking at this carefully with an understanding that it's a fluid situation.  If more Asian ports close to cruise ships that could force Royal into action.  

Ok, Thanks....didn't realize Royal addressed a possible forecast of their plans, if the circumstances continue to remain as is

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10 minutes ago, Zambia-Zaire said:

Ok, Thanks....didn't realize Royal addressed a possible forecast of their plans, if the circumstances continue to remain as is

https://www.royalcaribbeanblog.com/2020/02/14/royal-caribbean-issues-update-coronavirus-outbreak

If they are forced to remain out of Asia through April they can't have their ships empty that long.  They will move them somewhere and try to recover some money through cheap cruises and casino comps.  

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28 minutes ago, twangster said:

https://www.royalcaribbeanblog.com/2020/02/14/royal-caribbean-issues-update-coronavirus-outbreak

If they are forced to remain out of Asia through April they can't have their ships empty that long.  They will move them somewhere and try to recover some money through cheap cruises and casino comps.  

That last statement by Fain is telling...that may be common across the cruise industry as a whole, given financial reports of household disposable capital has been trending downward.

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1 hour ago, Zambia-Zaire said:

I'm not looking at the app, just on Royal home page...they are still showing Quantum in the Asian market throughout the remaining year....my question, because I see no indication of changes to their itinerary, why do you think Royal is considering moving out of the Asian market, besides the circumstances with the Coronavirus...Royal still seem to be content to maintain current scheduling throughout March & April 2020?  

I'm just basing my speculation off the app overlap for Quantum that Twangster posted about. And maybe a little wishful thinking. Five day runs out of Los Angeles to Catalina and Ensenada over Spring Break at a REALLY good price might work into my plans very well.

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5 hours ago, Vangrizz said:

I'm just basing my speculation off the app overlap for Quantum that Twangster posted about. And maybe a little wishful thinking. Five day runs out of Los Angeles to Catalina and Ensenada over Spring Break at a REALLY good price might work into my plans very well.

The "virtual" Quantum CA itineraries are currently a combination of 3 and 4 night.  Much like Carnival's west coast 3/4 itineraries, the 3 night does Ensenada while the 4 night does Catalina and Ensenada.  

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37 minutes ago, TXcruzer said:

until the ship to shore power situation is addressed there will be no "ongoing" Royal presence in California

All new ships are being built this way and some are being retrofitted during their 5 year dry docks.

California isn't the only area imposing this requirement for the future.

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2 hours ago, twangster said:

All new ships are being built this way and some are being retrofitted during their 5 year dry docks.

California isn't the only area imposing this requirement for the future.

I understand that, but the fact remains Royal has FAR more ships non compliant than they do compliant. I have not heard one verifiable instance of a Royal ship being upgraded at dry dock. 

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20 hours ago, TXcruzer said:

until the ship to shore power situation is addressed there will be no "ongoing" Royal presence in California

Several port schedule have indicated a possible return to California. It’s possible they plan to retrofit the ship to accept shore power or have come up with a alternative technology to comply with the regulation. 

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15 hours ago, TXcruzer said:

I understand that, but the fact remains Royal has FAR more ships non compliant than they do compliant. I have not heard one verifiable instance of a Royal ship being upgraded at dry dock. 

We never will.  Royal doesn't make public what it does under the covers in dry docks.  Neither does Carnival yet they have old ships porting in Long Beach constantly.  

Until a ship docks and someone documents shore power being connected we won't know.

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27 minutes ago, twangster said:

We never will.  Royal doesn't make public what it does under the covers in dry docks.  Neither does Carnival yet they have old ships porting in Long Beach constantly.  

Until a ship docks and someone documents shore power being connected we won't know.

agree 100%

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