steverk Posted May 22, 2023 Report Share Posted May 22, 2023 Navigator of the seas at Mazatlan. Announcement said it happened during maintenance and there were no injuries Cactus527, Mary Sue, MaryS and 10 others 1 1 1 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAAAYTOOO Posted May 22, 2023 Report Share Posted May 22, 2023 Oops… PPPJJ-GCVAB and Allen2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAAAYTOOO Posted May 22, 2023 Report Share Posted May 22, 2023 glad to hear no one was injured Neesa, Montemy2419, ZBrady and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted May 22, 2023 Report Share Posted May 22, 2023 Sorry, I was playing with my new Royal Caribbean battleship board game and I got carried away. Found Navigator! CharmMicah68, Robert M, markinct and 6 others 1 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexanTwoStep Posted May 22, 2023 Report Share Posted May 22, 2023 Oof, I'm assuming that's going to cause a delay with cleanup and the fact that there is one less lifeboat on board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAAAYTOOO Posted May 22, 2023 Report Share Posted May 22, 2023 I hope this incident does not affect the remainder of the cruise itinerary. A number of years ago, while sailing on EX out of Bayonne, we sailed through a wicked nor’easter which subsequently damaged 2 lifeboats (not to mention a great deal of damage to the ship, itself). The lifeboats were inop after it was all over. The Captain announced that, had the ship been at full capacity, we might have turned away at our ports-of-call b/c we would not have been in compliance with SOLAS requirements. Luckily, we were not at lifeboat capacity so we were fine. Pattycruise, Mary Sue, CrimsonCruiser and 2 others 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steverk Posted May 22, 2023 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2023 6 minutes ago, TexanTwoStep said: Oof, I'm assuming that's going to cause a delay with cleanup and the fact that there is one less lifeboat on board. No announcement so far, but that's certainly a possibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted May 22, 2023 Report Share Posted May 22, 2023 4 minutes ago, WAAAYTOOO said: I hope this incident does not affect the remainder of the cruise itinerary. A number of years ago, while sailing on EX out of Bayonne, we sailed through a wicked nor’easter which subsequently damaged 2 lifeboats (not to mention a great deal of damage to the ship, itself). The lifeboats were inop after it was all over. The Captain announced that, had the ship been at full capacity, we might have turned away at our ports-of-call b/c we would not have been in compliance with SOLAS requirements. Luckily, we were not at lifeboat capacity so we were fine. That was my first thought. Group cruise in a few weeks, hope they don't have to IDB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattycruise Posted May 22, 2023 Report Share Posted May 22, 2023 Failed drivers training test… steverk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted May 22, 2023 Report Share Posted May 22, 2023 1 minute ago, steverk said: No announcement so far, but that's certainly a possibility. Which lifeboat #? Or which position along the ship (4th from aft on starboard for example). It will be interesting to see if that muster station is impacted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steverk Posted May 22, 2023 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2023 9 minutes ago, twangster said: Which lifeboat #? Or which position along the ship (4th from aft on starboard for example). It will be interesting to see if that muster station is impacted. It's on the port side. Fairly far forward. Access to the lifeboat deck is Shut down. So I don't know the number twangster 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted May 22, 2023 Report Share Posted May 22, 2023 Looks like it must be a port side lifeboat as the ship is docked with starboard to the pier. Ugh. My muster station is C12 in a few weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted May 22, 2023 Report Share Posted May 22, 2023 Well if you see a new lifeboat back in San Pedro sitting next to the pallets of water, fruit and lobster tails, then you know the lifeboat was KIA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted May 22, 2023 Report Share Posted May 22, 2023 We all live in a ... FionaMG, WAAAYTOOO, CrimsonCruiser and 1 other 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoomSlayer Posted May 22, 2023 Report Share Posted May 22, 2023 Oscar, Oscar, Oscar is the call for man overboard. What is the call for lifeboat overboard? PPPJJ-GCVAB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted May 22, 2023 Report Share Posted May 22, 2023 10 minutes ago, DoomSlayer said: Oscar, Oscar, Oscar is the call for man overboard. What is the call for lifeboat overboard? "Oh &%#@!" Cub, Vancity Cruiser, stevendom57 and 13 others 16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlmondFarmer Posted May 22, 2023 Report Share Posted May 22, 2023 Reassuring to see the lifeboat floats in a non standard orientation. ScottishRobbie, Cactus527, DoomSlayer and 6 others 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlmondFarmer Posted May 22, 2023 Report Share Posted May 22, 2023 Hopefully the “maintenance” wasn’t being done by the crew member seen earlier in the day enjoying tequila from a squirt gun at Senor Frogs. hold my beer….. BeachGal, DoomSlayer and Mary Sue 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted May 22, 2023 Report Share Posted May 22, 2023 The important thing being that no one as hurt. During much of the lowering and lifting phase there are typically crew in the lifeboat. The phase from the stored position to the loading position can have no crew. It must have let go during that phase. steverk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted May 22, 2023 Report Share Posted May 22, 2023 Jill, Mary Sue, steverk and 10 others 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steverk Posted May 22, 2023 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2023 1 hour ago, smokeybandit said: Well if you see a new lifeboat back in San Pedro sitting next to the pallets of water, fruit and lobster tails, then you know the lifeboat was KIA Got visible damage, like it hit the transom on something. I think it's dead. CrimsonCruiser, PPPJJ-GCVAB, twangster and 1 other 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted May 22, 2023 Report Share Posted May 22, 2023 How full was the ship? Did it seem like it was at capacity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steverk Posted May 22, 2023 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2023 4 minutes ago, twangster said: How full was the ship? Did it seem like it was at capacity? Not sure. I'd judge 100% but no higher. If they have to Disembark people, I'd volunteer for the right compensation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted May 22, 2023 Report Share Posted May 22, 2023 8 minutes ago, steverk said: Got visible damage, like it hit the transom on something. I think it's dead. That should buff out. AlmondFarmer, Cactus527, Mary Sue and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoomSlayer Posted May 22, 2023 Report Share Posted May 22, 2023 8 minutes ago, twangster said: That should buff out. Or maybe just cover it with some Duct Tape. Worked for our lunar rovers. Cactus527 and CrimsonCruiser 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted May 22, 2023 Report Share Posted May 22, 2023 This black rubber piece appears to be part of the bracket that would normally stay attached to the davits that supports the lifeboat when stowed and keeps it from swaying when it is in the stowed position. It appears to be strapped in place. If so that suggests it was in, or near the stowed position when it fell. In this photo from another class of ship you can see the piece I am referring to. Above in the photo you can see the strap that wraps around the lifeboat and this black rubber piece when stowed. It appears to be still strapped in position holding the black rubber piece against the upside down lifeboat. If so it failed in the stowed position. Scary stuff. Since the second photo is a completely different ship with different lifeboats this bracket is different but it appears to be similar in nature and also strapped in position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teddy Posted May 22, 2023 Report Share Posted May 22, 2023 There’s gotta be a Carl meme for this. Robert M 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted May 22, 2023 Report Share Posted May 22, 2023 In this picture from Navigator in 2019 you can see the position of the lifeboats when stowed. My concern at this point would be if the lifeboat davit failed with the lifeboat in or near the stowed position the lifeboat may have done some damage to the deck and railing of the promenade deck. If that is the case it may require some effort to temporarily repair the railing and make the ship pass inspection. If the railing has been damaged, absent of safe mustering areas for the port side it's not clear if she can sail to meet her scheduled departure time. Hope you have your passport if it comes to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted May 22, 2023 Report Share Posted May 22, 2023 From sister ship Adventure this picture better shows the black rubber piece amd strap I was referring to. There is one for each of the boat. Depending where the boat was when it fell, if the forward or aft fell together or if one end went first may have dictated any damage to the ship. While the ship is likely perfectly safe in general terms, if they need to block off this area, it couldn't be used to reach the other muster stations on either side which may impact obtaining clearance to sail with guests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlmondFarmer Posted May 22, 2023 Report Share Posted May 22, 2023 1 hour ago, twangster said: The important thing being that no one as hurt I think the chance for promotion for crew member responsible was hurt. steverk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted May 22, 2023 Report Share Posted May 22, 2023 4 minutes ago, AlmondFarmer said: I think the chance for promotion for crew member responsible was hurt. Might be a mechanical failure. 21 year old ship. AlmondFarmer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted May 22, 2023 Report Share Posted May 22, 2023 Going back to @steverk's first photo, there are new clues. The yellow arrows point to what I suspect are pieces of the ships wooden hand railing floating nearby. The orange arrows show that both the forward and aft storage rubber pads I referenced above were attached to the boat. The aft one appears bent outward possibly from impact with the ship as it fell and slid overboard. The red arrow shows extensive damage to the aft of the boat. This is possibly from impact with the ship deck, railing or side when the lifeboat fell before rolling overboard. If that is true it suggests the aft broke away first, fell to the deck and starting rolling overboard before the forward davit could no longer handle the entire weight by itself, thereby letting go resulting in the boat dropping to the water taking the promenade deck railing and wooden handrails with it. Lastly the blue arrow appears to show a heavy stable cable, the type that do the heavy lifting. That this cable is separated from the ship and davit assembly suggests it may have snapped. Pattycruise 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steverk Posted May 22, 2023 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2023 1 minute ago, twangster said: Going back to @steverk's first photo, there are new clues. The yellow arrows point to what I suspect are pieces of the ships wooden hand railing floating nearby You've got a good eye, but my camera isn't the greatest. Looking at it in person, I'm sure those are oars. I didn't know lifeboats still had them, but I am sure that's what you see. twangster 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted May 22, 2023 Report Share Posted May 22, 2023 Another possibility is that the crew neglected to remove the straps that hold the rubber pads in place and began to lower the lifeboat. That may have started a series of event in motion leading to a big splash. This scenario may have done less damage to the deck and railing which would allow for a less delayed return to service. That's pretty unlikely though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steverk Posted May 22, 2023 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2023 Fwiw here's how things appear right now. They appear to be trying to raise the davits in preparation for sailing. The boat in the picture is the rescue boat. The lifeboat is gone, but I don't know where. twangster and Pattycruise 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted May 22, 2023 Report Share Posted May 22, 2023 Is it the 3rd lifeboat from the front? If so, my C12 muster station may be spared. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steverk Posted May 22, 2023 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2023 Yes. I can get out there and it I c6. Here's a couple more pictures twangster 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steverk Posted May 22, 2023 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2023 The railing shows no visible damage. twangster 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted May 22, 2023 Report Share Posted May 22, 2023 Great news! Or as great can be claimed in this situation. Eerily similar to the Quantum lifeboat incident on Dec 2, 2022. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted May 22, 2023 Report Share Posted May 22, 2023 4 minutes ago, steverk said: The railing shows no visible damage. No brown stains on the crew coveralls either. That's also a good sign. jbrinkm, Cactus527, Robert M and 5 others 1 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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