CruisingSteve Posted September 22, 2021 Report Share Posted September 22, 2021 Transatlantic in October 2022 ends at Port Canaveral. No bookings available past November but it seems like Port Canaveral will be it's home port for winter 2022-2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted September 22, 2021 Report Share Posted September 22, 2021 Maybe until Allure moves to Galveston. They won't keep Harmony and Wonder in Port Canaveral. One of them heads to FLL or Wonder leaves the US. Time will tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruisingSteve Posted September 22, 2021 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2021 8 minutes ago, twangster said: Maybe until Allure moves to Galveston. They won't keep Harmony and Wonder in Port Canaveral. One of them heads to FLL or Wonder leaves the US. Time will tell. The new Galveston terminal is scheduled to be completed in fall 2022 so it seems there will be shuffling of ships around as they come back to the U.S. in fall 2022. It's nice to see different ships at different ports. I live in Tampa and was happy to see Serenade take the place of Rhapsody Neesa 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sofla mermaid Posted September 22, 2021 Report Share Posted September 22, 2021 It would be great to see her in FLL! Neesa 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PG Cruiser Posted September 23, 2021 Report Share Posted September 23, 2021 12 hours ago, CruisingSteve said: I live in Tampa and was happy to see Serenade take the place of Rhapsody In my case, I wanted Rhapsody to stay in Tampa only because I have already sailed on the Serenade. At the moment, I don’t book ships I have already sailed on. My bucket list is to sail on all Royal Caribbean ships. Funny, Royal took the initiative of replacing three of my bookings (Brilliance-Radiance-Rhapsody) with the Serenade. Even after opting to take the refund for canceled sailings, the Serenade still appears in my Upcoming Cruises. I’m sure, however, that you will enjoy the Serenade. I was on her for 11 nights in an Eastern Caribbean sailing. Neesa 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cruise Junkie Posted September 26, 2021 Report Share Posted September 26, 2021 I think that is most likely the case that Wonder will use the Space Coast as her 2022 winter home port as the date that she gets to Port Canaveral is on a Sunday which is the day which Royal uses for turnaround day for the Oasis Class at the port. Neesa 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAAAYTOOO Posted September 26, 2021 Report Share Posted September 26, 2021 15 minutes ago, Jaymac Radio said: I think that is most likely the case that Wonder will use the Space Coast as her 2022 winter home port as the date that she gets to Port Canaveral is on a Sunday which is the day which Royal uses for turnaround day for the Oasis Class at the port. There’s another stranger coming home again ! Glad to see you back. The Cruise Junkie and Neesa 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jill Posted September 26, 2021 Report Share Posted September 26, 2021 Well I’ll tell you this: passengers in Hong Kong still think they’re sailing December 2022. Royal has not cancelled those bookings. I was reading this in a Wonder Facebook group and these people were surprised she was headed back here. However, you currently cannot book those sailings. They’re still there and you can start a booking but can’t finish it. Guess time will tell. I hope she stays here. If Playmakers still has the Chinese sign out front when she gets here that may give a clue. Gives us all something else to speculate on! Neesa and WAAAYTOOO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted October 2, 2021 Report Share Posted October 2, 2021 Fain loves to shadow and cast shade on Carnival so maybe this is one angle to throw Mardi Gras under the bus (or keel). Odyssey’s coincidentally showing up in PCN when Mardi Gras first arrived, on the exact same day is living proof. Doesn't mean Wonder stays in PCN. The Cruise Junkie, Neesa and Floski 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egeria Posted October 3, 2021 Report Share Posted October 3, 2021 What is likely is that it will do a Panama Canal Sailing to the west coast from Port Canaveral, then a Pacific Crossing to China. That is the reason the winter China sailings have not been cancelled yet. They also have not posted past the USA arrival just in case they have to pivot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted October 3, 2021 Report Share Posted October 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Egeria said: What is likely is that it will do a Panama Canal Sailing to the west coast from Port Canaveral, then a Pacific Crossing to China. That is the reason the winter China sailings have not been cancelled yet. They also have not posted past the USA arrival just in case they have to pivot. Don’t think we’ll see any Oasis class in the Panama Canal any time soon as they don’t fit. She’ll go through the Suez though. And with that it will make those December dates in Asia… difficult. AlmondFarmer and Neesa 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cruise Junkie Posted October 3, 2021 Report Share Posted October 3, 2021 16 hours ago, twangster said: Don’t think we’ll see any Oasis class in the Panama Canal any time soon as they don’t fit. There is a pic of the Oasis Class in the Panama Canal. It looks like a very tight fit twangster 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted October 3, 2021 Report Share Posted October 3, 2021 10 minutes ago, Jaymac Radio said: There is a pic of the Oasis Class in the Panama Canal. It looks like a very tight fit That's a Carnival ship... since Carnival loves to copy Royal but on a smaller scale. AlmondFarmer and The Cruise Junkie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fireclan Posted October 3, 2021 Report Share Posted October 3, 2021 6 minutes ago, twangster said: That's a Carnival ship... since Carnival loves to copy Royal but on a smaller scale. Doesn't the back say Symphony of the Seas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted October 3, 2021 Report Share Posted October 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, fireclan said: Doesn't the back say Symphony of the Seas? Backwards. Like i said... Carnival. The Cruise Junkie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted October 3, 2021 Report Share Posted October 3, 2021 It looks like someone photoshopped Symphony in there, hence why they had to reverse the photo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeedNoodles Posted October 3, 2021 Report Share Posted October 3, 2021 So they added the Aquatheatre to the photo, too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fireclan Posted October 3, 2021 Report Share Posted October 3, 2021 55 minutes ago, twangster said: Backwards. Like i said... Carnival. Aha. Ok, continue to impress me with which Carnival ship it is... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted October 3, 2021 Report Share Posted October 3, 2021 34 minutes ago, fireclan said: Aha. Ok, continue to impress me with which Carnival ship it is... It's a fake photoshop picture from somebody with a sense of humor. The original locks pictured are 110' wide. Oasis is 147' wide at the water line. It's a joke. The Cruise Junkie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlmondFarmer Posted October 3, 2021 Report Share Posted October 3, 2021 9 minutes ago, twangster said: The original locks pictured are 110' wide. Oasis is 147' wide at the water line. It must be a Neap tide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonOasis Posted October 4, 2021 Report Share Posted October 4, 2021 3 hours ago, fireclan said: Doesn't the back say Symphony of the Seas? At first I thought the photo was real but then I noticed there are no passengers anywhere in that photo so I started digging and found out the photo isn't real. There are no records of Symphony of the Seas ever passing through the Panama Canal and if she did go through the canal what was her purpose in passing through the canal since she was built in Europe? Also there are also no records of Symphony of the Seas ever sailing in the Pacific Ocean. According to records the largest CRUISE SHIP that has ever passed through the Panama Canal is The Norwegian Bliss at 168,028 tons. If and or when Royal moves Wonder of the Seas to Asia they are going to have to go the long way around not through the Panama Canal. Even if they could get the ship through the canal can she fit under the Bridge of the Americas? I know some time ago I posed the question what if Royal sends Odyssey to Los Angeles to combat both NCL and Carnival both of which before the pandemic were using new ships out of Long Beach. Several posters pointed out they don't think Odyssey could fit under The Bridge of the Americas. So if Odyssey can't fit I don't see how an Oasis Class ship could fit under the bridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted October 4, 2021 Report Share Posted October 4, 2021 I think the issue for Voyager class, Freedom class, Quantum class and Oasis class for the Panama Canal is the side profile of the ship as much as the height. Take a close look at the NCL Joy, Bliss and Encore of their Breakaway Plus class. The ships have no protrusions beyond the side profile of the ship until you are at or above the lifeboats. The lifeboats tuck into the profile of the ship. The Escape is the exception in this class - her lifeboats do protrude from the sides of the ship. Royal ships in the classes above have lifeboats and platforms that extend out from the ship. The canal has limits on these and they must start above 55' from the water line. Otherwise they would damage the ship and the canal as they scrape down the canal or take out buildings and things like railings, signs and light poles along the sides of the canal locks. You can't just look at the ship dimensions found on wiki pages and declare the ships fit in the new locks or under the bridge. Oasis class can do the Suez canal from what has been reported. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattymay Posted October 4, 2021 Report Share Posted October 4, 2021 Personally I hope it stays in the USA, fingers crossed for some 2023 itineraries. SpeedNoodles 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PG Cruiser Posted October 4, 2021 Report Share Posted October 4, 2021 13 hours ago, smokeybandit said: It looks like someone photoshopped Symphony in there, hence why they had to reverse the photo Wannabe photoshopper here with a suggestion. They should have flipped the canal, not the ship Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jill Posted October 7, 2021 Report Share Posted October 7, 2021 Latest on Wonder: Translation: The new largest cruise ship in the world, built by Chantiers de l'Atlantique, will leave Saint-Nazaire in early November to join the Marseille Shipyard for several months. A technical delivery to its owner RCCL will take place at the end of October, but it will remain docked, in the Phocaean city (Marseille), under the responsibility of the manufacturer while waiting to leave for Fort Lauderdale. The liner will start its season in the Caribbean, from March 2022, and then in the Mediterranean from Barcelona and Rome from May, rather than Shanghai as originally planned. The conditions of entry into China, due to the health crisis, are still too restrictive for the cruise line to plan reservations serenely. This sheltering in Marseille will allow the shipowner to operate a "designation" of the ship designed for the Chinese market. Modifications to some locations, including kitchens, are also planned before crossing the Atlantic. If the 362-metre-long liner (230,000 UMS, 6,988 passengers) cannot remain in the C armament basin, it is because the Chantiers de l'Atlantique must receive in November the beam and feet of their future very high gantry, before launching the MSC Europa World, whose assembly will be completed in November. https://lemarin.ouest-france.fr/secteurs-activites/chantiers-navals/41091-le-wonder-seas-attendu-marseille?fbclid=IwAR2e2Ng9_2gxQgoZ-SYv59SaUH3U76iBbHjQex3isYjkPkkhIFJ5mDkxmCA WAAAYTOOO, Matt and Chili 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chili Posted October 8, 2021 Report Share Posted October 8, 2021 I think Wonder will stay in the Atlantic and in a couple of years one of the older oasis will be home ported in Sydney and Singapore. Jill 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonOasis Posted October 8, 2021 Report Share Posted October 8, 2021 58 minutes ago, Chili said: I think Wonder will stay in the Atlantic and in a couple of years one of the older oasis will be home ported in Sydney and Singapore. I don't disagree that an Oasis Class ship at some point will home port in Sydney and Singapore but I still don't see Wonder staying long term in the US and Europe. Royal still hasn't released Wonder's fall/winter 2022/2023 schedule and it has me asking why. I think as Royal is updating Wonders schedule and making decision on what to do with Wonder as they get more information from China, on when that country will reopen when they will allow cruising to resume. I think just like here in America and in Europe once China reopens and allows cruising to resume there is going to be overwhelming demand for cruising because since February the cruise industry in China has been shut down. The rumors I'm hearing in the airline industry are don't expect China to reopen (have any type of normalcy travel wise) until late 2022 at the earliest some rumors even move that date into spring of 2023. Should these rumors prove true and China does not reopen or allow cruising to resume until 2023 then it it entirely possible Royal will leave Wonder here in the US for the fall/winter 2022-2023 season, send Wonder to Europe for the 2023 summer season and then send her to homeport in China starting in the fall of 2023. Unless China bans cruising for ever I don't see Royal Caribbean abandoning their Chinese ambitions and China is the most populous country on this planet. Should the government allow cruising to resume I firmly believe Royal will send Wonder to the market she was built for. My question is does Royal still intend to build a 6th Oasis Class ship? In February of 2019 it was widely reported Royal had entered into an agreement for a 6th Oasis Class ship. Does Royal still intend to build a 6th ship or has the pandemic changed their plans for that 6th Oasis Class ship? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chili Posted October 8, 2021 Report Share Posted October 8, 2021 I don’t know about wonder going to China,it was was dramatically westernised at the last minute. It will be interesting to see if there’s any signage in Chinese. I think Royal will reduce it’s presents in China,maybe just Spectrum there in summer. China has a few issues, the economic outlook,tensions with western countries and will the brain drain of companies pulling out of China the average citizens have trouble getting exit visas . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GKMCruising Posted October 8, 2021 Report Share Posted October 8, 2021 10 minutes ago, Chili said: I don’t know about wonder going to China,it was was dramatically westernised at the last minute. It will be interesting to see if there’s any signage in Chinese. Given that there's still some random signage in Chinese left on Ovation, I'd be more shocked if there *isn't* at least a little bit of signage that got missed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chili Posted October 10, 2021 Report Share Posted October 10, 2021 Looking at some of the resent photos there’s a lot of Chinese signage. It does look like it will end up in Asia, I’m waiting for the protests about the signs. It will be interesting to see the colour of the gaming tables. Neesa 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted October 10, 2021 Report Share Posted October 10, 2021 41 minutes ago, Chili said: Looking at some of the resent photos there’s a lot of Chinese signage. It does look like it will end up in Asia, I’m waiting for the protests about the signs. It will be interesting to see the colour of the gaming tables. Majestic Princess was built for China but deployed to the US. Lots of Chinese signs on board. I don't hear people complaining about it. Even Ovation has some bilingual signs. Same as Quantum. Some will complain, people find a lot less to complain about, but I don't expect it to be a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chili Posted October 10, 2021 Report Share Posted October 10, 2021 14 minutes ago, twangster said: Majestic Princess was built for China but deployed to the US. Lots of Chinese signs on board. I don't hear people complaining about it. Even Ovation has some bilingual signs. Same as Quantum. Some will complain, people find a lot less to complain about, but I don't expect it to be a problem. When Ovation first went to Alaska,people where asking for information about it . Some said they wouldn’t book it because they only served rice and wouldn’t be able to read the signs. They had to change the gaming tables because they where red. All very trivial,I agree but some thought it life threatening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GKMCruising Posted October 10, 2021 Report Share Posted October 10, 2021 9 minutes ago, Chili said: When Ovation first went to Alaska,people where asking for information about it . Some said they wouldn’t book it because they only served rice and wouldn’t be able to read the signs. They had to change the gaming tables because they where red. All very trivial,I agree but some thought it life threatening. Yup. These types of people want to "see the world" but are so afraid of other cultures, it seems. Just don't get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chili Posted October 10, 2021 Report Share Posted October 10, 2021 24 minutes ago, GKMCruising said: Yup. These types of people want to "see the world" but are so afraid of other cultures, it seems. Just don't get it. I was doing a live blog on Ovation the season before it first went to Alaska. A good old boy asked me to take photos of the cigarettes and cigars available onboard. He said he didn’t want to put Chinese fire crackers in his mouth. GKMCruising 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimnKathy Posted October 10, 2021 Report Share Posted October 10, 2021 All I know is that we've booked a 3/11/21 Central Park Balcony on Wonder...152 days away from sailing the high seas! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jill Posted October 11, 2021 Report Share Posted October 11, 2021 Hmmmm according to “Gwen” on RC’s Twitter page, Wonder will be sailing from Hong Kong November of 2022. (These are the same social media people that always told everyone they were sailing on X date during the shutdown. And then the cancellations came and came again and again well you know where I’m going lol) Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted October 11, 2021 Report Share Posted October 11, 2021 It seems really odd to have her assume Allure's Fall transatlantic to Port Canaveral only to have her then sail to Hong Kong. It's nearly 34 days to sail from Port Canaveral to Hong Kong VIA the Suez Canal. The transatlantic ends Nov. 13 and with 34 days to reach Hong Kong it doesn't seem possible to make those November dates in Asia. Jill and Neesa 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jill Posted October 11, 2021 Report Share Posted October 11, 2021 2 hours ago, twangster said: It seems really odd to have her assume Allure's Fall transatlantic to Port Canaveral only to have her then sail to Hong Kong. It's nearly 34 days to sail from Port Canaveral to Hong Kong VIA the Suez Canal. The transatlantic ends Nov. 13 and with 34 days to reach Hong Kong it doesn't seem possible to make those November dates in Asia. Even the first 3 dates in December are impossible. Craziness for sure. Maybe the ship has teleporting capability Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chili Posted October 11, 2021 Report Share Posted October 11, 2021 Maybe RC is testing the market in China and seeing the interest there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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