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46 minutes ago, twangster said:

Technically you are still touching it.  The CDC guidance doesn't distinguish between the ear loops and the surface of the mask.  

You know better.  The CDC does not.  

They do in some publications. I’m still mad at them, though.

 

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I think the CDC loses all credibility when they publish such things.   When I see a crazy person rambling away to no one on a street corner saying nonsensical things I ignore them without a secon

Once you conclude someone is saying dumb crazy things it makes it very difficult to keep your mind open to anything else they say.  If you say nine crazy things and one accurate and logical thoug

Sir .. you are not wearing a mask, please put one on. But i am following CDC guidance to not touch my mask ... 

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1 hour ago, SpeedNoodles said:

They do in some publications.

By their own guidelines (which are only for when you are home, you might note), you should wash your hands immediately after removing your mask. So to follow to the logical (read illogical) conclusion, you should hand sanitize before every single bite. But hey...Science (Trademark CDC, 2020)

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8 minutes ago, Auto said:

By their own guidelines (which are only for when you are home, you might note), you should wash your hands immediately after removing your mask. So to follow to the logical (read illogical) conclusion, you should hand sanitize before every single bite. But hey...Science (Trademark CDC, 2020)

Continuing this to its ludicrous conclusion, when the mask is removed for a bite, you have one hand holding each string. So you must have a sterile bag to place the mask in, and ideally someone dedicated to mask handling (obviously with their own mask and gloves) to place said mask into a sanitary ziploc bag of some kind, and to remove said mask from the bag when the bite is complete. Even if one transfers the mask to one hand, how much time will it take to place the mask back in the bag, and remove it again once (fully masked) chewing is complete? 

The CDC is a joke.

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16 hours ago, twangster said:

The mask thing gets better.

Requirements

  • Remind passengers and crew not to touch their masks when wearing them.

 

How do you lower your mask to eat or drink if you can't touch your mask?

 "Here's your dinner but don't touch your mask to remove it.  Using a fork force your food around the edge of your mask without touching your mask".

I can see a lot of spilled wine trying to drink from a wine glass with a mask on because you can't touch your mask to remove it before taking a drink.  

How do you wear a mask without touching it? 

Isn't it always touching your face?

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If the CDC were actually concerned with the science and the numbers of cases, deaths, and vaccinations, then they should really look at these facts:

 

1. The 7 day average of new cases in the United States has decreased from 68,917 a month ago to 38,135 as of yesterday, a 44% decrease

2. The 7 day average of deaths in the United States has decreases from 985 a month ago to 619 as of yesterday. a 37% decrease

3. The percentage of people in the US receiving at least one dose of vaccine on April 11 was 36.3% and fully vaccinated was 22.1%. As of yesterday those numbers were up to 46.7% at least one dose and 35.5% fully vaccinated. 

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12 minutes ago, LovetoCruise87 said:

If the CDC were actually concerned with the science and the numbers of cases, deaths, and vaccinations, then they should really look at these facts:

 

1. The 7 day average of new cases in the United States has decreased from 68,917 a month ago to 38,135 as of yesterday, a 44% decrease

2. The 7 day average of deaths in the United States has decreases from 985 a month ago to 619 as of yesterday. a 37% decrease

3. The percentage of people in the US receiving at least one dose of vaccine on April 11 was 36.3% and fully vaccinated was 22.1%. As of yesterday those numbers were up to 46.7% at least one dose and 35.5% fully vaccinated. 

Would also like to add the number of fully vaccinated people is higher than can be reported. Locations that didn't schedule both doses together have had issues reporting the second stick, and those who had to reschedule their second also have issues reporting in.

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42 minutes ago, LovetoCruise87 said:

If the CDC were actually concerned with the science and the numbers of cases, deaths, and vaccinations, then they should really look at these facts:

2. The 7 day average of deaths in the United States has decreases from 985 a month ago to 619 as of yesterday. a 37% decrease

Comparing 7 day average of deaths between May 10, 2020 and May 10, 2021...

May 10, 2020: 1,761

May 10, 2021: 604

 

Sure glad the CDC is following the numbers...

 

Edit: Removed 7-day Percent Positivity statistic. Never felt that was a good statistic given how testing was limited.

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CDC tweaked their cruise ship guidance for masks

 

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Mask Use

At this time, all persons, including port personnel, crew, and passengers (including those that are fully vaccinated) are advised that CDC’s Mask Order remains in effect and requires the wearing of masks on conveyances entering, traveling within or leaving the United States, and in U.S. transportation hubs (see Maritime-specific Frequently Asked Questions).

  • While the Order permits temporarily removing a mask for brief periods of time while eating or drinking, removal of the mask for extended meal service or beverage consumption would constitute a violation of this Order.
  • Masks do not have to be worn while inside one’s own cabin

Requirements

To reduce the spread of SARS-CoV-2, cruise ship operators must:

  • Provide passengers and crew with information on how to properly wear, take off, and clean cloth masks.
  • Remind passengers and crew not to touch their masks when wearing them.
  • Position posters educating passengers on how to properly wear masks in high traffic areas throughout the ship
  • Ensure bathers wear masks while congregating outside of recreational water facilities (RWFs) and while seated on the pool deck area. Masks do not need to be worn in the water, e.g., in RWFs or while swimming in the ocean. A wet cloth mask can make it difficult to breathe and likely will not work correctly. This means it is particularly important for bathers to maintain social distancing of at least 6 feet (2 meters) when in the water with others who are not traveling companions or part of the same family.

 

New:

Mask Use

At this time, all persons, including port personnel, crew, and passengers are advised that CDC’s Mask Order remains in effect and requires the wearing of masks on conveyances entering, traveling within, or leaving the United States, and in U.S. transportation hubs. (see Maritime-specific Frequently Asked Questions).

  • While the Order permits temporarily removing a mask for brief periods of time while eating or drinking, removal of the mask for extended meal service or beverage consumption would constitute a violation of this Order.
  • Masks do not have to be worn while inside one’s own cabin.
  • Travelers should not wear a mask when doing activities that may get the mask wet, like swimming at the beach or in recreational water facilities. A wet mask can make it difficult to breathe and may not work as well when wet. This means it is particularly important for bathers to maintain physical distancing of at least 6 feet (2 meters) when in the water with others who are not traveling companions or part of the same family.

Fully Vaccinated Travelers

  • Cruise ship operators, at their discretion, may advise passengers and crew that—if they are fully vaccinated—they may gather or conduct activities outdoors, including engaging in extended meal service or beverage consumption, without wearing a mask except in crowded settings. [Smokeybandit note: This seems to conflict with the unchanged rule that masks have to go back on after each bite]

Requirements

To reduce the spread of SARS-CoV-2, cruise ship operators must:

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More changes:

 

The section "Social Distancing" is now "Physical Distancing"

This section was removed.  I find this pretty noteworthy.

Dining

  • Eliminate any self-serve food or drink options, such as buffets, salad bars, and drink stations. This limits the use of shared serving utensils, handles, buttons, or touchscreens and helps customers to stay seated and at least 6 feet (2 meters) apart from people who do not live in their household.

 

Also, significant changes to the Shore Excursions section

 

Shore Excursions & Transportation Services

Participating in shore excursions and group transportation increases a person’s risk of getting and spreading COVID-19 by bringing people in close contact with others, often for prolonged periods. Additionally, participating in these activities in other communities and countries with high prevalence of COVID-19 further increases the risk of introduction of COVID-19 onto cruise ships.

Fully Vaccinated Travelers

  • Cruise ship operators, at their discretion, may advise passengers and crew that—if they are fully vaccinated—they may engage in self-guided or independent exploration during port stops, if they wear a mask while indoors. The cruise ship operator is additionally advised that foreign jurisdictions may have their own requirements.

Requirements

To reduce the spread of SARS-CoV-2, cruise ship operators must:

  • Ensure all shore excursion tour companies facilitate physical distancing to allow for at least 6 feet (2 meters) between individuals who are not traveling companions or part of the same family; and adhere to mask wearing, cleaning and disinfection, and other COVID-19 public health measures throughout the tour.
  • Restrict passenger attendance so that proper physical distancing of at least 6 feet (2 meters) between individuals who are not traveling companions or part of the same family.
  • Prohibit self-guided or independent exploration by passengers during port stops

Recommendation

To further reduce the spread of SARS-CoV-2, cruise ship operators as a best practice should:

  • Consider prohibiting self-guided or independent exploration during port stops by passengers and crew who are not fully vaccinated.
  • Offer supervised shore excursions during port stops for passengers and crew who are not fully vaccinated where all participants wear a mask and maintain physical distance. The cruise ship operator is additionally advised that foreign jurisdictions may have their own requirements.
  • Limit shore excursions in foreign ports of call to countries listed as Level 1: COVID-19 Low in CDC’s COVID-19 Travel Recommendations by Destination.
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These are definitely steps in the right direction, but I agree that these are baby steps. I'm afraid that by the time we end up at a reasonable place, at this glacial rate of change, it may be 2023 before things are back to normal.

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31 minutes ago, smokeybandit said:

CDC tweaked their cruise ship guidance for masks

 

Old:

 

Mask Use

At this time, all persons, including port personnel, crew, and passengers (including those that are fully vaccinated) are advised that CDC’s Mask Order remains in effect and requires the wearing of masks on conveyances entering, traveling within or leaving the United States, and in U.S. transportation hubs (see Maritime-specific Frequently Asked Questions).

  • While the Order permits temporarily removing a mask for brief periods of time while eating or drinking, removal of the mask for extended meal service or beverage consumption would constitute a violation of this Order.
  • Masks do not have to be worn while inside one’s own cabin

Requirements

To reduce the spread of SARS-CoV-2, cruise ship operators must:

  • Provide passengers and crew with information on how to properly wear, take off, and clean cloth masks.
  • Remind passengers and crew not to touch their masks when wearing them.
  • Position posters educating passengers on how to properly wear masks in high traffic areas throughout the ship
  • Ensure bathers wear masks while congregating outside of recreational water facilities (RWFs) and while seated on the pool deck area. Masks do not need to be worn in the water, e.g., in RWFs or while swimming in the ocean. A wet cloth mask can make it difficult to breathe and likely will not work correctly. This means it is particularly important for bathers to maintain social distancing of at least 6 feet (2 meters) when in the water with others who are not traveling companions or part of the same family.

 

New:

Mask Use

At this time, all persons, including port personnel, crew, and passengers are advised that CDC’s Mask Order remains in effect and requires the wearing of masks on conveyances entering, traveling within, or leaving the United States, and in U.S. transportation hubs. (see Maritime-specific Frequently Asked Questions).

  • While the Order permits temporarily removing a mask for brief periods of time while eating or drinking, removal of the mask for extended meal service or beverage consumption would constitute a violation of this Order.
  • Masks do not have to be worn while inside one’s own cabin.
  • Travelers should not wear a mask when doing activities that may get the mask wet, like swimming at the beach or in recreational water facilities. A wet mask can make it difficult to breathe and may not work as well when wet. This means it is particularly important for bathers to maintain physical distancing of at least 6 feet (2 meters) when in the water with others who are not traveling companions or part of the same family.

Fully Vaccinated Travelers

  • Cruise ship operators, at their discretion, may advise passengers and crew that—if they are fully vaccinated—they may gather or conduct activities outdoors, including engaging in extended meal service or beverage consumption, without wearing a mask except in crowded settings. [Smokeybandit note: This seems to conflict with the unchanged rule that masks have to go back on after each bite]

Requirements

To reduce the spread of SARS-CoV-2, cruise ship operators must:

 

24 minutes ago, smokeybandit said:

More changes:

 

The section "Social Distancing" is now "Physical Distancing"

This section was removed.  I find this pretty noteworthy.

Dining

  • Eliminate any self-serve food or drink options, such as buffets, salad bars, and drink stations. This limits the use of shared serving utensils, handles, buttons, or touchscreens and helps customers to stay seated and at least 6 feet (2 meters) apart from people who do not live in their household.

 

Also, significant changes to the Shore Excursions section

 

Shore Excursions & Transportation Services

Participating in shore excursions and group transportation increases a person’s risk of getting and spreading COVID-19 by bringing people in close contact with others, often for prolonged periods. Additionally, participating in these activities in other communities and countries with high prevalence of COVID-19 further increases the risk of introduction of COVID-19 onto cruise ships.

Fully Vaccinated Travelers

  • Cruise ship operators, at their discretion, may advise passengers and crew that—if they are fully vaccinated—they may engage in self-guided or independent exploration during port stops, if they wear a mask while indoors. The cruise ship operator is additionally advised that foreign jurisdictions may have their own requirements.

Requirements

To reduce the spread of SARS-CoV-2, cruise ship operators must:

  • Ensure all shore excursion tour companies facilitate physical distancing to allow for at least 6 feet (2 meters) between individuals who are not traveling companions or part of the same family; and adhere to mask wearing, cleaning and disinfection, and other COVID-19 public health measures throughout the tour.
  • Restrict passenger attendance so that proper physical distancing of at least 6 feet (2 meters) between individuals who are not traveling companions or part of the same family.
  • Prohibit self-guided or independent exploration by passengers during port stops

Recommendation

To further reduce the spread of SARS-CoV-2, cruise ship operators as a best practice should:

  • Consider prohibiting self-guided or independent exploration during port stops by passengers and crew who are not fully vaccinated.
  • Offer supervised shore excursions during port stops for passengers and crew who are not fully vaccinated where all participants wear a mask and maintain physical distance. The cruise ship operator is additionally advised that foreign jurisdictions may have their own requirements.
  • Limit shore excursions in foreign ports of call to countries listed as Level 1: COVID-19 Low in CDC’s COVID-19 Travel Recommendations by Destination.

Hate pointing this out... Notice a common theme is the loosening of restrictions, "if they are fully vaccinated"...

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