BigKarl Posted November 12, 2022 Report Posted November 12, 2022 This is bad news. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11419363/Majestic-Princess-cruise-slammed-health-experts-800-Covid-passengers-disembark-Sydney.html Quote
TXcruzer Posted November 12, 2022 Report Posted November 12, 2022 44 minutes ago, BigKarl said: This is bad news. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11419363/Majestic-Princess-cruise-slammed-health-experts-800-Covid-passengers-disembark-Sydney.html The only bad news here is that they decided to test asymptomatic passengers. I understand this is Australia, but let's be sure, this would not happen in the US. This type of blanket testing runs completely counter to any CDC or ID standards or recommendations. jticarruthers, teddy, Snowchaser and 5 others 7 1 Quote
WAAAYTOOO Posted November 12, 2022 Report Posted November 12, 2022 28 minutes ago, TXcruzer said: this would not happen in the US. I hope you’re right ! CruiseGus and jticarruthers 2 Quote
smokeybandit Posted November 12, 2022 Report Posted November 12, 2022 If the worst case on board was a mild cold, what was the trigger to start mass testing? Pattycruise 1 Quote
Shanenz84 Posted November 13, 2022 Report Posted November 13, 2022 About time the media let this go.. Funny thing was they interviewed some passengers and they all said they weren't worried and everything was handled great etc. jticarruthers 1 Quote
CruiseGus Posted November 13, 2022 Report Posted November 13, 2022 1 hour ago, smokeybandit said: If the worst case on board was a mild cold, what was the trigger to start mass testing? Based on current Australian requirements for cruising, all guests will require a negative viral COVID-19 test result taken before boarding: Within 24 hours for Rapid-Antigen Test (RAT) Within 48 hours for PCR They definitely need to test to board, not researching it completely as i don't plan for a cruise from there in near future, but could have been a New Zealand requirement or a coming back to Australia requirement. Good news all were Asymptomatic or mild. Quote
ScooterScott22 Posted November 13, 2022 Report Posted November 13, 2022 16 hours ago, smokeybandit said: If the worst case on board was a mild cold, what was the trigger to start mass testing? The point of testing and masking is to try and reduce the transmission and further illness and death. Yes, most people who get COVID are not dying these days and yes, birth is fatal 100% of the time. BUT this is a disease that we actually can decrease with some precautions. Death rates are down but we are still losing thousands of people a week in the US. This is like the Radiance leaving port every Saturday with a full cruise and coming back a week later with no living passengers. If that was actually happening, people would likely be less flippant about precautionary measures. ChessE4 and jbrinkm 2 Quote
Matt Posted November 13, 2022 Report Posted November 13, 2022 Let's compare this to how many covid cases there were from the flights coming in and out of Australia. Oh right, they don't care to track that. It's just about anti-cruise bias. June May, jticarruthers, Pattycruise and 11 others 10 4 Quote
smokeybandit Posted November 13, 2022 Report Posted November 13, 2022 1 hour ago, ScooterScott22 said: Death rates are down but we are still losing thousands of people a week in the US. Not that I want to debate this here, but remember this is people who die within 30 days of a positive test, not specifically people who die with covid as a primary cause. CruiseGus, SebagoSue, jticarruthers and 1 other 4 Quote
TXcruzer Posted November 13, 2022 Report Posted November 13, 2022 2 hours ago, ScooterScott22 said: The point of testing and masking is to try and reduce the transmission and further illness and death. Yes, most people who get COVID are not dying these days and yes, birth is fatal 100% of the time. BUT this is a disease that we actually can decrease with some precautions. Death rates are down but we are still losing thousands of people a week in the US. This is like the Radiance leaving port every Saturday with a full cruise and coming back a week later with no living passengers. If that was actually happening, people would likely be less flippant about precautionary measures. As I agree with @smokeybanditsentiments, and do not wish to engage in a Covid debate; i must say at least one thing. Snapshot statistics, such as this, do more harm to the argument than help; this chart states absolutely NOTHING relevant Quote
ChessE4 Posted November 13, 2022 Report Posted November 13, 2022 What I take away from the published articles is that masking is helpful, but not sufficient. We probably need more people to get vaccinated and stay up-to-date. Both my wife and I masked aggressively on recent cruises (June and November), and on each trip one of us got ill by the end of the trip. We have all the shots you can get, so our cases were mild, but we got Covid from someone. Most ship guests and many members of the crew don't mask, so the Princess article shows that this virus, which is very contagious, will spread significantly. And it will spread on land, on airplanes, on cruise ships, everywhere. We decide how to live our lives, we assess risk, and we still travel. But we will all be a little safer if we are all a little healthier. The stats on repeated Covid infections aren't good, but we can help each other avoid the worst. By masking, my wife and I help the rest of you avoid whatever germs we might otherwise be spreading. I ask you to consider doing the same when it is appropriate (on land, air, or sea), and we'll all enjoy vacationing a little more because of our coordinated efforts. Whatever you choose to do, please enjoy your next cruise. I know we will. FireFishII 1 Quote
bretts173 Posted November 13, 2022 Report Posted November 13, 2022 Yep statistics like that prove nothing. However the 2020 excess mortality figures are pretty clear cut. The world including cruising needed a pause to get things right and people protected but now everyone has had the chance to do that we should be moving on and cruising should be no different. KWofPerth 1 Quote
PG Cruiser Posted November 14, 2022 Report Posted November 14, 2022 The only potential benefit I see here is Royal bringing back the double points promo. I don't mind being a "Pandemic Pinnacle." Sorry, sorry, sorry... I haven't quite figured out the differences between causation, correlation, and delusion. Jill, Pattycruise and D Alt 1 1 1 Quote
Dlove707 Posted November 16, 2022 Report Posted November 16, 2022 On 11/14/2022 at 2:35 PM, PG Cruiser said: The only potential benefit I see here is Royal bringing back the double points promo. I don't mind being a "Pandemic Pinnacle." Sorry, sorry, sorry... I haven't quite figured out the differences between causation, correlation, and delusion. You might want to trademark pandemic pinnacle, I can see that catching on lol Quote
RCVirgin22 Posted November 19, 2022 Report Posted November 19, 2022 I'm just sad that I won't be able to go to Australia now or ever, been saving and planning a trip there for years and was all set to go in 2019 but that as the year of the big fire so I decided to put it off to the next.. As everyone found out that obviously wasn't going to happen or for the next couple years. Even though things seem to be looking better it still feels very uncertain and I may now not ever get to go. Quote
SteveK Posted January 19, 2023 Report Posted January 19, 2023 Trouble with the media is you have to check and cross check again to verify if what they report is even true. Just like this debacle from December. https://cruisepassenger.com.au/news/false-media-covid-reports-continue-to-plague-cruise-industry/ WAAAYTOOO 1 Quote
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