Matt Posted August 23, 2019 Report Share Posted August 23, 2019 From Catalina Insider Quote Recently a ship’s agent reached out to Avalon city representatives seeking dates to visit the port of Avalon. The ship’s agent, representing Royal Caribbean, requested Saturday and Tuesday visits for the period of July-September beginning in 2021. GlowTheWeird, J-Ro, FManke and 2 others 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FManke Posted August 23, 2019 Report Share Posted August 23, 2019 Just now, Matt said: From Catalina Insider Interesting. So many great ports on the west coast to visit. GlowTheWeird and ANGELA ROMAN 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted August 23, 2019 Report Share Posted August 23, 2019 They've been hinting at this for a while. Now the question becomes... which ship? 3,000 passengers are noted which matches to Celebrity better. This could be a request for Celebrity. The only bad news is that the requested days of the week were not available, only Wednesday was offered. The requested Saturday/Tuesday suggests a 3/4 night rotation. With just Wednesday offered Royal may decide it simply doesn't work for them. "Wednesdays were offered to the ship’s agent for consideration." ANGELA ROMAN 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 23, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2019 2 hours ago, twangster said: Now the question becomes... which ship? 3,000 passengers are noted which matches to Celebrity better. This could be a request for Celebrity. Great point. "Royal Caribbean" could reference the parent company (RCCL) and not necessarily be indicative of Royal Caribbean International resuming west coast cruises. cruisestuff and ANGELA ROMAN 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancity Cruiser Posted August 23, 2019 Report Share Posted August 23, 2019 8 hours ago, twangster said: They've been hinting at this for a while. Now the question becomes... which ship? 3,000 passengers are noted which matches to Celebrity better. This could be a request for Celebrity. The only bad news is that the requested days of the week were not available, only Wednesday was offered. The requested Saturday/Tuesday suggests a 3/4 night rotation. With just Wednesday offered Royal may decide it simply doesn't work for them. "Wednesdays were offered to the ship’s agent for consideration." As I've mentioned on another thread a while back, a very reliable source told me the Liberty is moving to the west coast when Royal moves an Oasis class ship to Galveston. emmef 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted August 23, 2019 Report Share Posted August 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, Vancity Cruiser said: As I've mentioned on another thread a while back, a very reliable source told me the Liberty is moving to the west coast when Royal moves an Oasis class ship to Galveston. Libery has much more capacity than 3,000 guests. I’m not disputing your source but these types of inquires occur all the time by all cruise lines. We never hear about them. This “leak” is cute, but in the bigger picture means nothing. Now if every port on the West coast reported every inquiry that would be interesting. This one sounds like local politics. In isolation it means little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXcruzer Posted August 24, 2019 Report Share Posted August 24, 2019 18 hours ago, Vancity Cruiser said: As I've mentioned on another thread a while back, a very reliable source told me the Liberty is moving to the west coast when Royal moves an Oasis class ship to Galveston. With the current status of the California ship to shore power regulations (CARB); I find it very hard to believe Royal would make the financial commitment to California based cruising anytime soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted August 24, 2019 Report Share Posted August 24, 2019 1 hour ago, TXcruzer said: With the current status of the California ship to shore power regulations (CARB); I find it very hard to believe Royal would make the financial commitment to California based cruising anytime soon. Any word from Carnival and Princess? They are big operators from CA ports. How are they embracing the changes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyalLaker Posted September 4, 2019 Report Share Posted September 4, 2019 On 8/24/2019 at 12:37 PM, twangster said: Any word from Carnival and Princess? They are big operators from CA ports. How are they embracing the changes? Moving larger ships over here and NCL has comeback. Carnival is bring a new ship in December 2019. 3000 passengers would be a Voyager class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted September 4, 2019 Report Share Posted September 4, 2019 1 hour ago, RoyalLaker said: Moving larger ships over here and NCL has comeback. Carnival is bring a new ship in December 2019. 3000 passengers would be a Voyager class. Voyager class has SOLAS capacity of 4,000. They routinely hit it during peak season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyalLaker Posted September 4, 2019 Report Share Posted September 4, 2019 14 minutes ago, twangster said: Voyager class has SOLAS capacity of 4,000. They routinely hit it during peak season. http://www.royalcaribbeanincentives.com/content/uploads/2018-2019-Fleet_Guide.pdf I think SOLAS would include the crew onboard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted September 4, 2019 Report Share Posted September 4, 2019 22 minutes ago, RoyalLaker said: http://www.royalcaribbeanincentives.com/content/uploads/2018-2019-Fleet_Guide.pdf I think SOLAS would include the crew onboard. Old numbers before new cabins plus that was based on double occupancy. I had a conversation with an HD. He told me one time they had 4,001 including temporary entertainers. He found one pub singer who happened to have his mariners certificate so they could reclassify him as crew and board exactly 4,000 passengers. JLMoran 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyalLaker Posted September 4, 2019 Report Share Posted September 4, 2019 54 minutes ago, twangster said: Old numbers before new cabins plus that was based on double occupancy. I had a conversation with an HD. He told me one time they had 4,001 including temporary entertainers. He found one pub singer who happened to have his mariners certificate so they could reclassify him as crew and board exactly 4,000 passengers. Those are current at Double occupancy, 4000 would be all berths which would compete with the current ships in Los Angeles. The way the article is written it appears the ship can carry more passengers than 3000.but they are basing that number of typical Wednesday demand. It would be a 3 day 4 day rotation July-September but come October i would think she would start back on the Mexican Rivera and this typical from the ships that come down from Alaska. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancity Cruiser Posted September 4, 2019 Report Share Posted September 4, 2019 Any RC ship sailing Mexican Riviera is welcome!!!!!!!! 3&4 night sailings even better as it would give us Westcoast peeps an opportunity for short getaways that the Floridians enjoy! CruisingKitty, Zambia-Zaire and DDaley 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyalLaker Posted September 10, 2019 Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 This might be the ship to call in Catalina http://www.travelweekly.co.uk/articles/331788/celebrity-apex-to-use-shore-power-electricity Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotleyCruiser Posted September 12, 2019 Report Share Posted September 12, 2019 CABO!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted September 13, 2019 Report Share Posted September 13, 2019 On 9/10/2019 at 10:50 AM, RoyalLaker said: This might be the ship to call in Catalina http://www.travelweekly.co.uk/articles/331788/celebrity-apex-to-use-shore-power-electricity At 2,910 guests it matches the 3,000 figure that RCCL has been using with ports. Since it's being built to take shore power that fits CA compliance. A couple of stars are aligning. Need a few more to fall in place before calling it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12thman Posted September 13, 2019 Report Share Posted September 13, 2019 Where would the ship visit besides Catalina? Mexico? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 13, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2019 2 hours ago, 12thman said: Where would the ship visit besides Catalina? Mexico? Yup, Mexico is the needed foreign port. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotleyCruiser Posted September 13, 2019 Report Share Posted September 13, 2019 2 hours ago, 12thman said: Where would the ship visit besides Catalina? Mexico? NCL calls on Ensenada Mexico and Catalina on 4 and 5 day cruises Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12thman Posted September 13, 2019 Report Share Posted September 13, 2019 So Royal is planning on 4 and 5 night sailings? I'd give it a try if it's Cat and Ens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshleyDillo Posted September 13, 2019 Report Share Posted September 13, 2019 13 minutes ago, 12thman said: So Royal is planning on 4 and 5 night sailings? I'd give it a try if it's Cat and Ens. It looks like it's going to be a Celebrity ship per the link @twangster posted above. Same parent family, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12thman Posted September 13, 2019 Report Share Posted September 13, 2019 Oh right my mistake. Well hope it happens so I'm not flying for 6 hours. Vancity Cruiser 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyalLaker Posted September 15, 2019 Report Share Posted September 15, 2019 On 9/12/2019 at 11:56 PM, twangster said: At 2,910 guests it matches the 3,000 figure that RCCL has been using with ports. Since it's being built to take shore power that fits CA compliance. A couple of stars are aligning. Need a few more to fall in place before calling it. What sister line ship of RCI holds over 4000 passengers? https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=https://tvpacifico.mx/noticias/230179-anuncia-royal-caribbean-su-regreso-a-mazatlan-en-el-2021&prev=search Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted September 15, 2019 Report Share Posted September 15, 2019 2 hours ago, RoyalLaker said: What sister line ship of RCI holds over 4000 passengers? https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=https://tvpacifico.mx/noticias/230179-anuncia-royal-caribbean-su-regreso-a-mazatlan-en-el-2021&prev=search Interesting they specifically speak of RCI, not RCCL. 4k is distinctly Voyager class. The sub title of the article says "showed interest in returning" but in the body it states "marking it's return by 2021". I'm not aware they have "announced their return". Wonder which it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 16, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2019 On 9/14/2019 at 11:48 PM, twangster said: Interesting they specifically speak of RCI, not RCCL. I found that interesting also, however, it is amazing how much the media uses "RCCL" and "RCI" interchangeably. Not to mention this is from Google Translate, so another layer of interpretation with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyalLaker Posted September 16, 2019 Report Share Posted September 16, 2019 52 minutes ago, Matt said: I found that interesting also, however, it is amazing how much the media uses "RCCL" and "RCI" interchangeably. Not to mention this is from Google Translate, so another layer of interpretation with this. Translation is pretty dang close. The author probably does not know the difference between RCCL and RCI. Now will RCCL return with weekly calls or a repositioning cruise remains to be seen. Basically it's another small step forward towards the west coast. Based on RCCL past comments only new builds will get shore power capabilities which you need to homeport a ship in California and I don't know of any RCI's recent new builds that have it and its to costly to retrofit a existing ship. So based on this info i would say its Celebrity Apex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyalLaker Posted October 7, 2019 Report Share Posted October 7, 2019 According to this article both Celebrity and RCI are returning. https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/sinaloa-looks-for-more-airline-connections-for-3-airports/ Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted October 7, 2019 Report Share Posted October 7, 2019 11 minutes ago, RoyalLaker said: According to this article both Celebrity and RCI are returning. https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/sinaloa-looks-for-more-airline-connections-for-3-airports/ When 2021 itineraries open in the coming weeks and months that should be very interesting! I wonder if this region will be released on December 9. The region for that release date is listed as "Coming Soon". https://www.royalcaribbeanblog.com/2019/10/01/royal-caribbean-releases-2021-2022-opening-schedule Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotleyCruiser Posted October 7, 2019 Report Share Posted October 7, 2019 did I mention CABO!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambia-Zaire Posted October 8, 2019 Report Share Posted October 8, 2019 5 hours ago, twangster said: When 2021 itineraries open in the coming weeks and months that should be very interesting! I wonder if this region will be released on December 9. The region for that release date is listed as "Coming Soon". https://www.royalcaribbeanblog.com/2019/10/01/royal-caribbean-releases-2021-2022-opening-schedule As far as RCI is concern....their 4000 passengers ship would be an Quantum class...assuming Ovation ots. However, this could also suggest a Freedom class ship which capacity is 3800 passengers, if such a ship is being repositioned. Indeed interesting.... RoyalLaker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanenz84 Posted October 8, 2019 Report Share Posted October 8, 2019 So to take a guess.. With Oasis 5 arriving 2021. Liberty Of The Seas re positioning to West Coast in 2021 (7 night Mexican Riviera) and Oasis moving to Galveston, TX. MotleyCruiser 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted October 8, 2019 Report Share Posted October 8, 2019 3 hours ago, Zambia-Zaire said: As far as RCI is concern....their 4000 passengers ship would be an Quantum class...assuming Ovation ots. However, this could also suggest a Freedom class ship which capacity is 3800 passengers, if such a ship is being repositioned. Indeed interesting.... Per the article Carnival's ship has 5,000 guests. Which ship would that be? :) Take the article with grain of salt and Royal could at anytime up to the announcement change ships around. Don't forget Voyager class has a SOLAS capacity of exactly 4,000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyalLaker Posted October 8, 2019 Report Share Posted October 8, 2019 1 hour ago, twangster said: Per the article Carnival's ship has 5,000 guests. Which ship would that be? Take the article with grain of salt and Royal could at anytime up to the announcement change ships around. Don't forget Voyager class has a SOLAS capacity of exactly 4,000. I'm thinking it's going to be a ship from Australia or Asia. Any freedom class or Voyager class from east coast would have to go around South America. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted October 8, 2019 Report Share Posted October 8, 2019 9 minutes ago, RoyalLaker said: I'm thinking it's going to be a ship from Australia or Asia. Any freedom class or Voyager class from east coast would have to go around South America. The new Panama locks can accomodate larger ships. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyalLaker Posted October 8, 2019 Report Share Posted October 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, twangster said: The new Panama locks can accomodate larger ships. Correct, But they do not fit under the bridge of Americas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cruise Junkie Posted October 8, 2019 Report Share Posted October 8, 2019 I Know This May Sound Weird But What If Voyager OTS Does The West Coast? She Will Be Just Out Of Her "Last Dry Dock" So Maybe That Dry Dock Will Get Here Ready For The North American Market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshleyDillo Posted October 8, 2019 Report Share Posted October 8, 2019 7 hours ago, twangster said: Per the article Carnival's ship has 5,000 guests. Which ship would that be? I don't follow Carnival so I have no clue what the capacities are, but Panorama is all over the Mazatlan schedule for 2021. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 8, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2019 18 hours ago, RoyalLaker said: According to this article both Celebrity and RCI are returning. https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/sinaloa-looks-for-more-airline-connections-for-3-airports/ @mpoole3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpoole3 Posted October 8, 2019 Report Share Posted October 8, 2019 44 minutes ago, Matt said: @mpoole3 Looks like I'm going to stick around Southern CAL!! GlowTheWeird 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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